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[Triumph]

They could have gone 9-0 in super bowls or 0-9. There wasn't a single blowout in our SB wins. We benefitted from miracle plays (Butler in 49) to being on the wrong end (Tyree, Manningham).

Mac Jones would have won those games by 3 TDs.

He did it at Alabama.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I always say if I could change one minor play per year, I could give the Patriots 10 Championships - or I can take all of 'em away.

The 2nd Rams game was never in doubt, but the Chiefs AFCCG game that year would be easy to change.... and the Indy AFCCG of '07 could have gone our way, after which we would have spanked Chicago....

So I look at the outcome of having 6 as being decent.

Pretty accurate actually.

If anyone watches the games, each SB is decided by a handful of plays.

It's almost hyperbole as you could say that about every NFL game decided by a td or less.

...but the NEP did it better than anyone.

Thats what great teams do.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Thats what great teams do.

That’s what great teams do in the modern NFL. Prior to NE winning SB36, blowouts were a common thing…

 

[RobertWeathers]

That’s what great teams do in the modern NFL. Prior to NE winning SB36, blowouts were a common thing…

I grew up with the NFC owning the AFC. Every. Single. Year.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

I grew up with the NFC owning the AFC. Every. Single. Year.

Yep, from 1981-1996….the Raiders were the only AFC team to win in that period

 

[crawhammer]

I usually just ignore your posts, but this is a special level of stupid.

4-time first team All-Pro, 4-time second team All-Pro, All-Pro at Corner and Safety. 'Banished'. He was one of the best players in the league for a decade.

I see MAC10 liked your post, which is not good company for accuracy.

Your fiction: "4-time first team All-Pro"
Fact: McCourt was never selected as a first team All-Pro, not once, 0 times

Your fiction: "4-time second team All-Pro"
Fact: 3-time second team All-Pro in 2010, 2013 and 2016 when the Associated Press apparently had a crack epidemic

Your fiction: "one of the best players in the league for a decade"
Fact: 3-time second team All-Pro and 2-time Pro Bowler in a 12-year career are not the credentials of one of the league's best players. He wasn't even the best at his position for a single season.

Just to give you some perspective...

Ed Reed:
12 seasons, 9-time Pro Bowler, 5-time first team All-Pro, 3-time second team All-Pro, 1-time defensive player of the year

Earl Thomas:
10 seasons, 7-time Pro Bowler, 3-time first team All-Pro, 2-time second team All-Pro

These two are players you could make that comment about. Your comment proves my original statement is correct... McCourty is overrated (especially when you make up a bunch of achievements to state your case).

Hasn’t done it since 2016

2017: NFL MVP, 8 TDs and 0 INTs in the postseason, 505 passing yards in the Super Bowl
2018: Super Bowl ring, Super Bowl game-winning drive, AFCCG game-winning drive in OT, 318 Y/G in postseason
2020: Super Bowl ring, Super Bowl MVP, 4-0 postseason, 10 TDs and 3 INTs in the postseason
2021: Led NFL with 5316 passing yards (3rd most all-time) and 43 TDs (at age 44), finished second in NLF MVP voting
2022: More accolades coming that will drive you further insane

In 2018, he did not do "a lot more with a lot less." His defense and running game carried him to the SB (like 2001), particularly late in the season.

Do you reference anything before you post? The defense gave up 28 points to the Chargers and 31 points (including 24 in the 4th quarter) to the Chiefs. The Patriots offense scored 78 points in those two games. Brady led a game-winning drive in the Super Bowl (making him a perfect 6 for 6 in that category for SB wins with the Patriots). Brady wasn't "carried" by anyone.

In 2020, he had the greatest set of weapons he's ever had in his career.

Were you not alive in 2007? Also you conveniently gloss over Brady's age in 2020 (when he was 43!).

5 playoff wins with a talented team. You and your fellow Bucs fans still don't get that the only reason Brady won in 2020 was because of the talent around him. The minute Godwin and Brown were no longer able to help him in 2021 he looked like a chump vs the Rams. He got outplayed by this guy...

Right, the team that was 7-9 the season prior, hadn't won a playoff game in 18 seasons, and had a losing record in 8 of their last 9 seasons "carried" the greatest player in the history of the league to a Super Bowl title.

You keep daydreaming about this fictional Timmy character you made up.

The team finished 2-4 because Brady played the worst football of his life.

Ok, you win. 2-4 because of Brady. He's responsible for everything. Dating back to September 23, 2001. 18 seasons, 17 division titles, 30 postseason wins, 6 Super Bowl championships... all because of Brady. No playoffs in 2008 and 2020, and getting waxed in the 2021 wild card round, also on Brady (because he wasn't there!).

 

[XLIX]

I see MAC10 liked your post, which is not good company for accuracy.

Your fiction: "4-time first team All-Pro"
Fact: McCourt was never selected as a first team All-Pro, not once, 0 times

Your fiction: "4-time second team All-Pro"
Fact: 3-time second team All-Pro in 2010, 2013 and 2016 when the Associated Press apparently had a crack epidemic

Your fiction: "one of the best players in the league for a decade"
Fact: 3-time second team All-Pro and 2-time Pro Bowler in a 12-year career are not the credentials of one of the league's best players. He wasn't even the best at his position for a single season.

Just to give you some perspective...

Ed Reed:
12 seasons, 9-time Pro Bowler, 5-time first team All-Pro, 3-time second team All-Pro, 1-time defensive player of the year

Earl Thomas:
10 seasons, 7-time Pro Bowler, 3-time first team All-Pro, 2-time second team All-Pro

These two are players you could make that comment about. Your comment proves my original statement is correct... McCourty is overrated (especially when you make up a bunch of achievements to state your case).


2017: NFL MVP, 8 TDs and 0 INTs in the postseason, 505 passing yards in the Super Bowl
2018: Super Bowl ring, Super Bowl game-winning drive, AFCCG game-winning drive in OT, 318 Y/G in postseason
2020: Super Bowl ring, Super Bowl MVP, 4-0 postseason, 10 TDs and 3 INTs in the postseason
2021: Led NFL with 5316 passing yards (3rd most all-time) and 43 TDs (at age 44), finished second in NLF MVP voting
2022: More accolades coming that will drive you further insane


Do you reference anything before you post? The defense gave up 28 points to the Chargers and 31 points (including 24 in the 4th quarter) to the Chiefs. The Patriots offense scored 78 points in those two games. Brady led a game-winning drive in the Super Bowl (making him a perfect 6 for 6 in that category for SB wins with the Patriots). Brady wasn't "carried" by anyone.


Were you not alive in 2007? Also you conveniently gloss over Brady's age in 2020 (when he was 43!).


Right, the team that was 7-9 the season prior, hadn't won a playoff game in 18 seasons, and had a losing record in 8 of their last 9 seasons "carried" the greatest player in the history of the league to a Super Bowl title.

You keep daydreaming about this fictional Timmy character you made up.


Ok, you win. 2-4 because of Brady. He's responsible for everything. Dating back to September 23, 2001. 18 seasons, 17 division titles, 30 postseason wins, 6 Super Bowl championships... all because of Brady. No playoffs in 2008 and 2020, and getting waxed in the 2021 wild card round, also on Brady (because he wasn't there!).

Great post. The ignorance of the Brady haters never ceases to amaze me. From being told the Patriots didn't win the division in 2019 to hearing that the defense carried the team to the Super Bowl in 2018, it boggles the mind.

 

[Ring 6]

Ok, you win. 2-4 because of Brady. He's responsible for everything. Dating back to September 23, 2001. 18 seasons, 17 division titles, 30 postseason wins, 6 Super Bowl championships... all because of Brady. No playoffs in 2008 and 2020, and getting waxed in the 2021 wild card round, also on Brady (because he wasn't there!).

He is responsible for what he is responsible for. All of your whiny drama aside.

He was the most important player on most of those teams and deserve a major piece of the credit FOR WHAT HE DID. He also deserves a major piece of the blame when the team loses because of the way he played.
I’m not sure why that is so hard for you to grasp.
You seem to want to love Brady and to you that means his flaws have to be ignored.
It’s fine, you can admit his flaws, because net of them he is still far and away the GOAT. Just not sure why you are so insecure about it that you can’t accept the bad things.

 

[TheRainMaker]

I usually just ignore your posts, but this is a special level of stupid.

4-time first team All-Pro, 4-time second team All-Pro, All-Pro at Corner and Safety. 'Banished'. He was one of the best players in the league for a decade.

I see MAC10 liked your post, which is not good company for accuracy.

Your fiction: "4-time first team All-Pro"
Fact: McCourt was never selected as a first team All-Pro, not once, 0 times

Your fiction: "4-time second team All-Pro"
Fact: 3-time second team All-Pro in 2010, 2013 and 2016 when the Associated Press apparently had a crack epidemic

Your fiction: "one of the best players in the league for a decade"
Fact: 3-time second team All-Pro and 2-time Pro Bowler in a 12-year career are not the credentials of one of the league's best players. He wasn't even the best at his position for a single season.

Yeah where did you come up with this Tommy? Honest mistake?

Also, being one of the "best players in the league" for a decade is kind of pushing it.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

2017: NFL MVP, 8 TDs and 0 INTs in the postseason, 505 passing yards in the Super Bowl
2018: Super Bowl ring, Super Bowl game-winning drive, AFCCG game-winning drive in OT, 318 Y/G in postseason
2020: Super Bowl ring, Super Bowl MVP, 4-0 postseason, 10 TDs and 3 INTs in the postseason
2021: Led NFL with 5316 passing yards (3rd most all-time) and 43 TDs (at age 44), finished second in NLF MVP voting
2022: More accolades coming that will drive you further insane

And? in 2018 he won the SB thanks to his running game and defense. Hence, my point is that Brady can't turn a group of average receivers into SB champs anymore.

Do you reference anything before you post? The defense gave up 28 points to the Chargers and 31 points (including 24 in the 4th quarter) to the Chiefs. The Patriots offense scored 78 points in those two games. Brady led a game-winning drive in the Super Bowl (making him a perfect 6 for 6 in that category for SB wins with the Patriots). Brady wasn't "carried" by anyone.

In the 2018 playoffs Brady had 2 TDs, 3 INTS...he was literally carried to his 6th super bowl title. And when a QB wins a game, he's usually going to have the GW drive...it's kinda self evident. You seem to forget his game losing drives in SB 46 and 52...you know when he had time at the end to win the game.

Were you not alive in 2007? Also you conveniently gloss over Brady's age in 2020 (when he was 43!).

His 2020 weapons were far better. This tells me YOU were the one who wasn't around in 2007. Typical bandwagoner.

Right, the team that was 7-9 the season prior, hadn't won a playoff game in 18 seasons, and had a losing record in 8 of their last 9 seasons "carried" the greatest player in the history of the league to a Super Bowl title.

The team that had two future HOFers on offense, a great offensive line, and added 2 more HOF caliber players in Gronk and Brown...the record doesn't from 2019 doesn't matter. You and your clown friends still can't explain why Brady lost last year after Godwin got injured and Brown went AWOL...

 

[XLIX]

It takes a special kind of imbecile to claim the “defense carried the team” when they gave up 59 points in back to back playoff games while the offense scored 78.

 

[captain stone]

Not reading these last two pages… Mods please send this & the Shaunnessy thread to the Brady forum where they belong, thank you.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

It takes a special kind of imbecile to claim the “defense carried the team” when they gave up 59 points in back to back playoff games while the offense scored 78.

Who was the better unit in the actual Super Bowl that year?

 

[Biffins]

Wait, so after Brady didn’t get an extension, and knew he would need a new home, he actually talked to other teams?!? I AM SHOCKED!!! SHOCKED I TELL YOU!!!

All this time I always thought discussions began after Free Agency started and contracts announced a few minutes/hours after as discussions rapidly concluded!!!

 

[Wozzy]

no, really.... explain to us all how you're not a hater when, for some reason known but to God, you go out of your way to always refer to him as "Timmy"....

(and then after that maybe you can explain to us all how the Patriots didn't win the division in 2019.... that's one I'd really like to hear)

Because we can’t talk about Timmy here, he’s a sacred cow. If he is referenced the white knights will attack to tell us tales of his magic powers and how he made the defense and special teams the best in the league to win rings.

 

[Wozzy]

McCafferty lasted 2 games last season before getting hurt. His 3rd game amounted to 31 rushing yards. MIA as usual.

The only really good player is DJ Moore.Ian Thomas and Robbie Anderson are nothing but Jags.

Cam is worse than a jag now, if he was any good he would be sought after… he’s not.

 

[XLIX]

Who was the better unit in the actual Super Bowl that year?

I have no problem admitting the defense won the Super Bowl game itself, but that’s not what you said. (It’s hilarious to see you desperately trying to reframe the argument.). You said (direct quote, your words): “His defense and running game carried him to the SB.” Brady threw for almost 700 yards in those 2 playoff games that they won by a combined 78-59.

It takes a special kind of imbecile to look at those facts and see a QB carried to the Super Bowl by defense and RBs.

 

[XLIX]

Because we can’t talk about Timmy here, he’s a sacred cow. If he is referenced the white knights will attack to tell us tales of his magic powers and how he made the defense and special teams the best in the league to win rings.

As you prove, it’s the haters that talk about Brady more than the supporters.

Also, as you prove, the haters just don’t even remotely have their facts straight.

 

[Triumph]

Cam is worse than a jag now, if he was any good he would be sought after… he’s not.

DJ Moore is for real.

The rest of the guys that you claim are so good are benchwarmers or live in a whirlpool; tub.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

I have no problem admitting the defense won the Super Bowl game itself, but that’s not what you said. (It’s hilarious to see you desperately trying to reframe the argument.). You said (direct quote, your words): “His defense and running game carried him to the SB.” Brady threw for almost 700 yards in those 2 playoff games that they won by a combined 78-59.

It takes a special kind of imbecile to look at those facts and see a QB carried to the Super Bowl by defense and RBs.

vs San Diego - Sony Michel, 128 yards, 3 TDs; Timmy - 1 TD;

vs KC - Michel 113 yards, 2 TDs; Burkhead 2 TDs; Timmy - 1 TD, 2 INTs

vs LAR - defense allowed 3 points, < 300 yards offense; Timmy - 0 TDs, 229 yards

Therefore, the defense and the running game carried Brady in the postseason that year.

So again, Brady hasn't done "more with less" in terms of winning a championship since 2016...

And please explain to me why Brady didn't get very far last year without Godwin and Brown...you still keep avoiding the question.