Patriots Rumor If OBJ is released by the Browns and is unclaimed, do you want him in NE on the cheap? (Update: Signed by Rams)

[fightingirish595]

Guys a cancer and not elite anymore. I said this before he got traded to the browns and he’s only proven me right. His deep speed has been gone for years. This is the last guy you want a rookie quarterback throwing too

 

[PP2]

Fair enough. My main concern is Mac. OBJ has a way of putting his QB’s back against a wall. This kid is looking promising early and I want him thinking clearly and keeping the pressure level down to hopefully strengthen his progress.
If OBJ is on a short leash possible and that has been explained to him up front and can somehow have the Patriots Way win him over and he blocks, decoys and makes plays when his number is called. Then lets have at it. Most of all keep your mouth shut. He is a very good talent. I just cannot stand his very selfish diva tactics. I will never say never. And I have been wrong many times. We will see

Honestly I just don't see Mac being intimidated by anyone. I mean, if he's already sneering and winking at an NFL defense in his very first professional game, there's very little that is going to shook this guy.

 

[Ring 6]

Honestly I just don't see Mac being intimidated by anyone. I mean, if he's already sneering and winking at an NFL defense in his very first professional game, there's very little that is going to shook this guy.

Timid people project their fears to other people and think humans break down and crumble if you don’t sit around the campfire signing kumbaya on a regular basis.

 

[Bill Lee]

The minute he pulls a diva move, he's cut with no strings attached, and he knows it. He furthermore knows that is the only kind of contract that BB is going to offer him. So if he chooses to sign here, that means he's willing to take that chance.

So, given all those conditions in our favor, why wouldn't you at least give it a shot?

Because he's clearly a "me first" kind of player.

Because he's fragile, he doesn't stay on the field.

Because he's got a long injury history, he's no longer the same guy people think he is.

Because whatever he costs will be more than we can afford without shifting money into future years.

So what you end up with is a half year rental on an oft-injured player with attitude issues that may cause money problems both in this and future seasons.

 

[Bill Lee]

But theoretically can’t claim him till 4 PM on Tuesday. So maybe. Weird rare tricky question

I think claims need to be in by 4PM Monday, the award happens a day later on Tuesday.

The league gives itself a day to look at who put in claims, make sure the claim order is honored, the claim fits under the new team's cap, etc.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Guys a cancer and not elite anymore. I said this before he got traded to the browns and he’s only proven me right. His deep speed has been gone for years. This is the last guy you want a rookie quarterback throwing too

I agree about his skills.

A lot of his spectacular plays years 1-2 were pretty insane. He would catch a routine slant and take it all the way. He had spectacular speed and acceleration.

A few injuries later, he wasn’t an all-pro level player anymore. He lost that sixth gear speed that made him unique. He’s now had ankle, hip, and ACL injuries, so he’s continued to wear down. He’s 29.

I think his upside is still a pretty good player, but it’s nowhere near elite or even pro bowl level. You certainly can’t build an offense around him, but he’d be a good WR2. Honestly think he’s pretty similar to Agholor overall. They’re a year apart and the same height/weight…similar skill sets. Beckham has better hands but less durability.

 

[neuronet]

Belichick has a way of handling people like OBJ, the question is whether OBJ can handle Belichick. My guess is no.

 

[goheels22002]

This guy reminds me of one Chad Johnson, aka Ocho Cinco. Quick, fast, elite pass catcher but a complete knucklehead when it came to understanding the playbook and what's expected of a receiver on a Patriots offense. He came out of one of those chuck and duck offenses where all he had to do was run a slant or a post. Since he was faster than everybody else, he could get open. But he couldn't line up in the right place nor tell a Cover Two from Coverup.

But OBJ would be fun if he caught five or six balls a game, and would force defenses to account for him more than any other wideout on the roster, Mac Jones is so accurate that OBJ's catch/target percentage would be very high.

He's a half-season rental right now. The big questions are 1) Can OBJ get separation consistently?, 2) Is he a predictable route runner?, 3) Can he read a defense and get to the right place?, 4) Does he understand what a second chance means? 5) Will his father stop being a d*ck?

If the answer to the questions are Yes, sign the beast!

 

[SlowGettingUp]

Here are three contrasting takes on OBJ:

1. He freelances on his routes, which is why he and Mayfield never connected, and he's gotten into Mayfield's head and made him hesitant:

The inside story of how the Baker Mayfield-Odell Beckham Jr. on-field Browns relationship fell apart

The Mayfield-Beckham combination was full of promise, and the dynamic worked off the field, but on the field, it failed. Here's why.

www.espn.com

2. He'd screw up Mac by forcing him to throw to OBJ rather than to whoever is open (like Brady in the last Moss season):



3. He'd be our new number 1 receiver, the one defenses have to game plan for, making our other receivers better:

 

[Bill Lee]

Interesting. I guess this means whoever wants him faces a big dilemma, sign him off waivers and accept the hit next week, or let him go to FA and negotiate based on what he expected to get paid. Well played.



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Thus, if he’s claimed on waivers, he gets the remaining salary and the roster bonus from his new team. If he becomes a free agent, the Browns are on the hook for the remaining salary but not the roster bonus.

It’s believed that the roster bonus is in the range of $3 million, which would put the salary in the range of $4.25 million.

If claimed on waivers, Beckham gets it all from his next team. If unclaimed, he gets his remaining Browns salary (but not the roster bonus) plus whatever he gets from his next team for the rest of 2021. And he breaks even if he gets the amount of the roster bonus as salary from his next team.

As the source explained it, Beckham took the deal because Cleveland could have converted the balance of his remaining salary to a signing bonus, reducing his base salary to the minimum and making it much more likely that he’d be claimed on waivers by a team for which he’d rather not play. That was, at the end of the day, the leverage the Browns had to get him to agree to a structure that will help the Browns save some money.

The Browns will save, at a minimum, the amount of the roster bonus. If someone claims the contract on waivers, the Browns will save it all.

 

[BUSTAMOVE]

Honestly I just don't see Mac being intimidated by anyone. I mean, if he's already sneering and winking at an NFL defense in his very first professional game, there's very little that is going to shook this guy.

It is so nice to have such young promise at QB. After Brady left I thought we would have to do the Buffet of QB’s to finally get something that worked for us. To do it so fast and the enjoyment of watching Mac catch on so quick brings comfort to keeping our winning ways have hope

 

[scott99]

It is so nice to have such young promise at QB. After Brady left I thought we would have to do the Buffet of QB’s to finally get something that worked for us. To do it so fast and the enjoyment of watching Mac catch on so quick brings comfort to keeping our winning ways have hope

My thought process was always “it’s time to draft the QB of the future”, so when they didn’t do that in the 2020 draft, I was hoping they would do that in 2021. Thank goodness they did, because I was never impressed with the 2022 QB class. I even said before they drafted Jones, even though he was the 5th rated QB, he is better than anyone who would be the 1st QB drafted in 2022. I always hoped against that “Buffet of QBs” idea. I never thought Belichick would go the path of the late 1980s early 1990s Pats (pre Bledsoe).

 

[scott99]

Getting back to OBJ, IF the Pats get him, I think he probably plays with extreme passion. I think so, because he has the utmost respect for Belichick. He'd immediately be the best receiver on the team. I’m hoping they get him, I just think he winds up elsewhere.

 

[BUSTAMOVE]

My thought process was always “it’s time to draft the QB of the future”, so when they didn’t do that in the 2020 draft, I was hoping they would do that in 2021. Thank goodness they did, because I was never impressed with the 2022 QB class. I even said before they drafted Jones, even though he was the 5th rated QB, he is better than anyone who would be the 1st QB drafted in 2022. I always hoped against that “Buffet of QBs” idea. I never thought Belichick would go the path of the late 1980s early 1990s Pats (pre Bledsoe).

I thought even drafting one could turn into the Buffet. The way most College Programs system‘s are not compatible with the Pro game drafting QB’s these days is a crap shoot. With the Patriots always picking mid to lower in the round I did not have much hope. Mac was a blessing

 

[scott99]

I thought even drafting one could turn into the Buffet. The way most College Programs system‘s are not compatible with the Pro game drafting QB’s these days is a crap shoot. With the Patriots always picking mid to lower in the round I did not have much hope. Mac was a blessing

I agree, if they went the route they went with Stidham, select a QB in the 4th round or later, then yeah, it would’ve been a QB Buffet. Unfortunately the quality in that Buffet isn’t very good. It’s rare you get a Kirk Cousins or a Dak Prescott very often. Going back you Dak, when the Pats drafted Brisett in the same draft, I was wishing they had selected Dak instead. Oh well. Extremely happy with Mac !

 

[n1997y]

Interesting. I guess this means whoever wants him faces a big dilemma, sign him off waivers and accept the hit next week, or let him go to FA and negotiate based on what he expected to get paid. Well played.



...
Thus, if he’s claimed on waivers, he gets the remaining salary and the roster bonus from his new team. If he becomes a free agent, the Browns are on the hook for the remaining salary but not the roster bonus.

It’s believed that the roster bonus is in the range of $3 million, which would put the salary in the range of $4.25 million.

If claimed on waivers, Beckham gets it all from his next team. If unclaimed, he gets his remaining Browns salary (but not the roster bonus) plus whatever he gets from his next team for the rest of 2021. And he breaks even if he gets the amount of the roster bonus as salary from his next team.

As the source explained it, Beckham took the deal because Cleveland could have converted the balance of his remaining salary to a signing bonus, reducing his base salary to the minimum and making it much more likely that he’d be claimed on waivers by a team for which he’d rather not play. That was, at the end of the day, the leverage the Browns had to get him to agree to a structure that will help the Browns save some money.

The Browns will save, at a minimum, the amount of the roster bonus. If someone claims the contract on waivers, the Browns will save it all.

That doesn’t make sense to me, because Cleveland couldn’t arbitrarily convert the balance of his salary to a signing bonus without his agreement. So that means they did not have the claimed leverage.

That sounds like an innovative way to structure something equivalent to Cleveland agreeing to pay part of the salary if they traded him, but not all of it, when he goes to another team in free agency.

 

[BUSTAMOVE]

I agree, if they went the route they went with Stidham, select a QB in the 4th round or later, then yeah, it would’ve been a QB Buffet. Unfortunately the quality in that Buffet isn’t very good. It’s rare you get a Kirk Cousins or a Dak Prescott very often. Going back you Dak, when the Pats drafted Brisett in the same draft, I was wishing they had selected Dak instead. Oh well. Extremely happy with Mac !

Who did you want before the draft with the Top 5 QB’s. Who was your preference
I loved Mac for a long time before the draft then got persuaded on this site that Fields was the better choice.
When Fields got drafted I was a little bummed but then we got Mac and when I watched his confidence walking to the stage I knew we got the better guy

 

[SVN]

Pardon my ignorance but what is the big deal about OBJ? .Other than that acrobatic catch he made when he was with the giants(a game which they lost btw), i really see him as a overhyped player who got all the attention because he made that catch and played for nyc.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Obviously OBJ would be the best weapon the Pats have had since Antonio Brown was a Patriot for a whole 2 weeks. But I don't expect them to go for him because they never go for the 'sexy' WR.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Pardon my ignorance but what is the big deal about OBJ? .Other than that acrobatic catch he made when he was with the giants(a game which they lost btw), i really see him as a overhyped player who got all the attention because he made that catch and played for nyc.

How about 7000 receiving yards and 51 receiving TDs? N'Keal Harry could play for 20 NFL seasons and he'd never reach those numbers.