Cam Released

[PScottman]

Is that Cam on the left?

It's certainly not Kirk Lazarus.

 

[Bill Lee]

Proof that being ripped isn't all that important, looks are decieving.

Being ripped doesn't mean being healed:

Cam Newton Injury History & Updates

Cam Newton injury history and detailed analysis. Stay informed on his health trends and how they impact his fantasy football value.

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[Bill Lee]

For the 'why didn't we just keep Cam' people:

 

[borg]

Why not just deal with what the rules currently are, instead of saying they've got to move the bar because I don't agree with the rules?

I guess that lets a person claim to be a rugged individualist, but in the end it more often than not means they're on the outside looking in, like Cam now finds himself.

I think a lot of this is political tribal warfare, where one tribe went down the wrong path, doubled down on that many times, and can't find a way to back track, even though they know they are in the wrong.

I'm hoping FDA approval provides a path for such, but so far, not much luck. People have dug themselves in too deeply and aren't even looking for shovels yet. Too much of their personal identity is tied up in tribalism, they can't or won't break from that just yet, but IMO sooner or later they will wear down.

Cam doesn't exactly fit your "political tribal" classification nor does a sizeable portion of the black community who won't walk down the "right" path either .....but carry on with your red/blue insight

 

[mike_usagisan]

I don’t want to get in to the whole vaccination debate except as it pertains to Cam, but even if he had natural immunity because he already had Covid, if the NFL rules are as clear as they are, would he be hurt at all by getting the jab? Like is there a better reason than “well, he didn’t need it”? If his job required him to get it, doesn’t that trump whether he needed it or not?

 

[Bill Lee]

I don’t want to get in to the whole vaccination debate except as it pertains to Cam, but even if he had natural immunity because he already had Covid, if the NFL rules are as clear as they are, would he be hurt at all by getting the jab? Like is there a better reason than “well, he didn’t need it”? If his job required him to get it, doesn’t that trump whether he needed it or not?

His job doesn't actually require it, but it should be obvious that if he wants to be a leader in a team sport he shouldn't be putting his team at a disadvantage by having to jump through extra hoops because he won't get the jab that millions of others have had.

Now he is no longer on a team and will have to face the repercussions all by himself of not being jabbed i.e. needing to be in the protocol for five days before visiting a team, teams knowing he's just one 'oops' away from being out for five days, etc.

Good luck to him, but it seems so clear he just opened the door to his competition and lost one job, and is now going to have a hard time finding a second, when he could have made things a lot easier for himself by getting jabbed.

 

[WaterfallJumper]

2020 New England Patriots season - Wikipedia makes for depressing reading.

What was the game were we behind late and running out of time, Cam threw it to Harry in the flat, he didn't catch it and the game ended?

I guess it's one more 2020 memory I'm suppressing...

Odd way to put it. Harry was actually open on that play, and Cam missed him by a wide margin. It was painful. Harry isn't great, but he didn't even have a chance on that throw. Watch 10:10 onward:

 

[Ollie]

Why do we bend over backwards to defend the honor of like, one of the worst QBs to ever play for the Patriots for one season?

Because i don't judge the worth of a person or how i treat or view them on how good they are at playing football. Good people who aren't great at football are worth treating with respect. just a crazy notion.

 

[Kontradiction]

Because i don't judge the worth of a person or how i treat or view them on how good they are at playing football.

Well maybe you should start. Football is lyfe.

 

[Ollie]

Well maybe you should start. Football is lyfe.

Ok.. i'll start now.. how good are you at football?

 

[Pats2000]

Why not just deal with what the rules currently are, instead of saying they've got to move the bar because I don't agree with the rules?

I guess that lets a person claim to be a rugged individualist, but in the end it more often than not means they're on the outside looking in, like Cam now finds himself.

I think a lot of this is political tribal warfare, where one tribe went down the wrong path, doubled down on that many times, and can't find a way to back track, even though they know they are in the wrong.

I'm hoping FDA approval provides a path for such, but so far, not much luck. People have dug themselves in too deeply and aren't even looking for shovels yet. Too much of their personal identity is tied up in tribalism, they can't or won't break from that just yet, but IMO sooner or later they will wear down.

Because rules as they are don't mean they are correct or just. It takes someone bucking the rules to effect change.

Here's a read about the approval of Pfizer from a Sr. Editor at the British Medical Journal and how pre-mature it is and based on how quickly immunity wanes, doesn't even fit the standards for an approval.

Does the FDA think these data justify the first full approval of a covid-19 vaccine? - The BMJ

 

[mike_usagisan]

Because rules as they are don't mean they are correct or just. It takes someone bucking the rules to effect change.

Here's a read about the approval of Pfizer from a Sr. Editor at the British Medical Journal and how pre-mature it is and based on how quickly immunity wanes, doesn't even fit the standards for an approval.

Does the FDA think these data justify the first full approval of a covid-19 vaccine? - The BMJ

No, but bucking the rules didn’t help Cam at all, did it? Instead, he opened the door for Mac and got himself cut.

 

[Pats2000]

No, but bucking the rules didn’t help Cam at all, did it? Instead, he opened the door for Mac and got himself cut.

Not saying it always pays off. But the man stuck to his guns, science is starting to back his decision. Politics get in the way. You have to respect that he is sticking to his personal values.

 

[mike_usagisan]

Not saying it always pays off. But the man stuck to his guns, science is starting to back his decision. Politics get in the way. You have to respect that he is sticking to his personal values.

I don’t have to respect it. I still haven’t heard anything that says Cam would have been hurt by getting jabbed, just a lot about how he didn’t need it. So he put something he just didn’t want to do ahead of his team and teammates.

 

[Sicilian]

For the 'why didn't we just keep Cam' people:

We probably should have predicted this to be honest. Remember in 2008, when they had two veteran QBs coming in to work out as potential backup replacements for Matt Cassel. Then Brady gets hurt, Matt becomes the starter, and they turned those guys around and cancelled the visits. They didn't want Cassel to be looking over his shoulder thinking, "I have to be SUPER productive or one of these guys is replacing me."

 

[Pats2000]

I don’t have to respect it. I still haven’t heard anything that says Cam would have been hurt by getting jabbed, just a lot about how he didn’t need it. So he put something he just didn’t want to do ahead of his team and teammates.

Then you've missed the cases of Myocarditis and pericarditis, Blood Clotting, Anaphylaxis, deep vein thrombosis, and several other severe events. They are rare, but why would someone who has natural immunity and has already survived one crap shoot, want to potentially put themselves at risk for serious adverse reactions when they don't need to. The research coming out of Israel is showing that infection with the original SARS-COV2 strain confers better protection against the Delta variant than the vaccines.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

• The NFL’s protocols are not updated in real time based on new studies. The rules were adopted before this natural immunity argument got legs; prior to this natural immunity was considered as an unknown. I would argue there are still a lot of questions, but that’s not the point.

• NFL basis is that it’s better to have a draconian policy than a lax one. It’s a one-size-fits all set of standards. Whether or not someone is actually natural immune is a can of worms they clearly didn’t want to open. Maybe next year the policy will be reviewed

• There’s clearly a punitive aspect to the policy too. The league wants to reward those who are vaxed and punish those who aren’t. Undoubtedly, as with all things with the league, it’s heavy on public perception.

• At least 93% of players, and I believe ~100% of coaches/staff are vaccinated (else they’re gone.). So keep in mind the NFL is not a normal population with regard to infection rates. Of course vaccinated positives will be in the great, great majority when there’s maybe a 20:1 overall vax ratio. I’m not arguing here about anything beyond that. This isn’t a 50/50 pool whereby you can compare and contrast.

• The rules are clearly defined. If Cam has natural immunity, he has natural immunity. If he doesn’t, he doesn’t. Neither scenario changes that the protocols were put in place with very specific consequences.

 

[mike_usagisan]

Then you've missed the cases of Myocarditis and pericarditis, Blood Clotting, Anaphylaxis, deep vein thrombosis, and several other severe events. They are rare, but why would someone who has natural immunity and has already survived one crap shoot, want to potentially put themselves at risk for serious adverse reactions when they don't need to. The research coming out of Israel is showing that infection with the original SARS-COV2 strain confers better protection against the Delta variant than the vaccines.

The chances he would have a serious side effect are microscopic. The chances he would lose his job were sizable. As a team leader, I lose a ton of respect when a guy puts himself above others and that’s exactly what Cam did.

 

[sambam94]

Then you've missed the cases of Myocarditis and pericarditis, Blood Clotting, Anaphylaxis, deep vein thrombosis, and several other severe events. They are rare, but why would someone who has natural immunity and has already survived one crap shoot, want to potentially put themselves at risk for serious adverse reactions when they don't need to. The research coming out of Israel is showing that infection with the original SARS-COV2 strain confers better protection against the Delta variant than the vaccines.

yup, hard to believe anyone with natural immunity would run out and get the jab. I guess many just live by what others tell them to do or should do.

 

[Pats2000]

The chances he would have a serious side effect are microscopic. The chances he would lose his job were sizable. As a team leader, I lose a ton of respect when a guy puts himself above others and that’s exactly what Cam did.

How do you know Cam hasn't had adverse reactions to previous vaccines in the past? You really don't know anything about the guy or his risk profile. So you can say he's being selfish, but I'm not out here to judge people on their personal medical decisions.