Deal with this: I #respect Cam as a person and as a leader

[Deus Irae]

In the copied post, you speak authoritatively about the “THE SCIENCE!” of COVID and the vaccine and speak of how asinine it is to require the vaccine given that “natural immunity” is as good as, or better than, “vaccine immunity”. I have to ask: Is science in general and the science of COVID and vaccines specifically something you have expertise in? If so, could you provide a scientific explanation of your statement that isn’t the type of anti-science following-the-herd misinformation that seems to becoming so prevalent?

No, I'm not going to play either the credentials game or the appeal to authority game. And the point of "THE SCIENCE" is that we've gotten a ****load of false information from those claiming to be in the know, a ****load of conflicting information from those claiming to be in the know, a ****load of debunked and/or changed assertions by those claiming to be in the know, a lot of mythology that has been repeated so often that people have bought into the ********, and that the latest released study (at least the latest known to me up to the time of my post) had natural > vaccine. And that's even before we start counting all the people who've had the shots, supposedly followed protocols (I'm looking at your ridiculous protocols as the #1 example, NFL), and still gotten the virus.

So, rather than go through a billion back-and-forths, let me just make that point to you with two conflicting studies, with the first one showing natural immunity to be stronger, followed by the CDC telling us that the vaccines are losing effectiveness.


Natural immunity from Covid could be stronger than vaccination

Coronavirus Disease 2019

CDC reports decline in vaccine effectiveness, prompting booster decision



You, along with everyone else, are welcome to argue with the studies. You'll have to excuse me if, while that's being done, I just sit back and laugh as people play the pretzel game, insist that they've destroyed the "science" of one side or the other, and so on.

 

[Joker]

well...let me, an acknowledged moron with a background from the late 60's in engineering, when my IQ measured at 141, I've read up on this immunity issue and getting the virus, recovering and getting healthy..moving forward your immune response is documented as superior to any vaccine immunity, both in time and effective protection. Personally, I have gotten the Moderna vax, both shots and just got the booster. My older brother who caught the virus in December, before vaxes, and almost died...HE has gotten all three shots also. I think the intelligent thing to do in this current situation, is take any/all available means to protect oneself from this seemingly ever evolving virus...especially at an advanced age. What young people decide to do or not do is THEIR business however, IMO. Athletes with no underlying conditions should be allowed to pursue what they think is best for THEM. Quarantines and time away from team activities is the price they have to pay to play in this league. End of story.

 

[Tunescribe]

I really like Cam as a person and think he’s a tremendous leader on and off the field. He dresses cool too, not that it matters (unless he thinks it does.)

I feel like there isn’t enough appreciation on this forum for Cam as a non-football player. After all, football is just a silly game, and in the big picture, there are serious things like the ebola virus and inequality.

What I’d like to see from Mr. Kraft is a statement of solidarity from the Patriots by declaring Cam the starter for the entire 2021 season.

Again, there are things more important than football, and Cam exemplifies this. Unlike many of you, I was willing to brave everyone’s criticism and call out Aaron Hernandez because some things are more important than winning. What I’m saying might be unpopular and controversial, but you can’t silence me: what Hernandez did was wrong.

#respect

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

No, I'm not going to play either the credentials game or the appeal to authority game. And the point of "THE SCIENCE" is that we've gotten a ****load of false information from those claiming to be in the know, a ****load of conflicting information from those claiming to be in the know, a ****load of debunked and/or changed assertions by those claiming to be in the know, a lot of mythology that has been repeated so often that people have bought into the ********, and that the latest released study (at least the latest known to me up to the time of my post) had natural > vaccine. And that's even before we start counting all the people who've had the shots, supposedly followed protocols (I'm looking at your ridiculous protocols as the #1 example, NFL), and still gotten the virus.

So, rather than go through a billion back-and-forths, let me just make that point to you with two conflicting studies, with the first one showing natural immunity to be stronger, followed by the CDC telling us that the vaccines are losing effectiveness.


Natural immunity from Covid could be stronger than vaccination

Coronavirus Disease 2019

CDC reports decline in vaccine effectiveness, prompting booster decision



You, along with everyone else, are welcome to argue with the studies. You'll have to excuse me if, while that's being done, I just sit back and laugh as people play the pretzel game, insist that they've destroyed the "science" of one side or the other, and so on.

They both can be true, from what I understand, though I’m by no means a medical expert.

But the way I understood the explanation, they protect in different ways…so if you’re naturally immunized from previous infection, you create what you might consider a strong “horizontal” defense against the virus…that is, the body is able to fight off Covid from re-infecting you most of the time…like tough-to-pemetrate border to your body. However, if the infection does break through again, the defense against it is not as strong as the vaccine.

The vaccine creates a strong “vertical” defense, meaning it is strong at deeper levels. So you may become infected again, but the vaccine-boosted immunity helps tremendously with fighting the infection itself, though not as strong at preventing the infection to begin with.

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And I’ll say add the disclaimer to the next part that there is no right/left, vaccine/anti-vaccine side-taking from me when it comes to my contempt for the ****ty reporting of studies and statistics, even though clearly I have a strong opinion on vaccinations. But whichever side chooses to sensationalize data without critically reviewing it first, scores a short-term victory at the cost of disastrous long-term skepticism.

>90% of the “studies” trumpeted by the media are not peer-reviewed, don’t have any type of controls, etc, rely on self-reporting, bias, and skewed population samples. But the incredible thing is the agendas of medical organizations, pharma, governments, etc. to gladly cite these and ignore the clear disclaimers that are often out up by the researchers themselves…because they need to score a PR victory.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

well...let me, an acknowledged moron with a background from the late 60's in engineering, when my IQ measured at 141, I've read up on this immunity issue and getting the virus, recovering and getting healthy..moving forward your immune response is documented as superior to any vaccine immunity, both in time and effective protection. Personally, I have gotten the Moderna vax, both shots and just got the booster. My older brother who caught the virus in December, before vaxes, and almost died...HE has gotten all three shots also. I think the intelligent thing to do in this current situation, is take any/all available means to protect oneself from this seemingly ever evolving virus...especially at an advanced age. What young people decide to do or not do is THEIR business however, IMO. Athletes with no underlying conditions should be allowed to pursue what they think is best for THEM. Quarantines and time away from team activities is the price they have to pay to play in this league. End of story.

I’m glad to hear your brother was okay…must have been terrifying. If you read my response to Deus and play along that I’m a medical expert (I stayed at a Holiday Inn), it would mean that natural immunization + vaccine is the best possible immune defense against Covid. And that was the conclusion the person made when he explained it to me in layman’s terms: having vaccinated and natural immunity would be ideal because they complement each other.

The Goodell NFL is never about doing what’s right or doing what’s fair. They’ve adopted a profit over science approach for so many years. I’m quite sure their policy is based on (a) the show must go on, else we lose profits, and (b) viewership must remain high, else we lose profits. The policies are really just support beams for these ends, with scientific rationalization coming in later. That’s how they approach everything.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Exactly what I’m talking about!

 

[archstanton543]

I really like Cam as a person and think he’s a tremendous leader on and off the field. He dresses cool too, not that it matters (unless he thinks it does.)

I feel like there isn’t enough appreciation on this forum for Cam as a non-football player. After all, football is just a silly game, and in the big picture, there are serious things like the ebola virus and inequality.

What I’d like to see from Mr. Kraft is a statement of solidarity from the Patriots by declaring Cam the starter for the entire 2021 season.

Again, there are things more important than football, and Cam exemplifies this. Unlike many of you, I was willing to brave everyone’s criticism and call out Aaron Hernandez because some things are more important than winning. What I’m saying might be unpopular and controversial, but you can’t silence me: what Hernandez did was wrong.

#respect

Oh, but I (and anyone else on this board) can silence you by blocking you. I won't though because while I think your post is silly, it's not some completely insane rambling nonsense or a personal attack.

 

[Huckleberry1]

This will be the best, will definitely think of Ivan's red blushed face when Cam starts week1.

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I’ll root for the Patriots no matter who they use at QB, but I’m not stupid enough to believe that Newton is the right choice to lead them to anything other than another season with no playoffs. Unlike you I’m not straddling the fence with every post.

 

[Huckleberry1]

This will be the best, will definitely think of Ivan's red blushed face when Cam starts week1.

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Can’t wait to see DKF sputtering furiously about how bad an OC MacDaniels is when Belichick has no choice but to bench Newton to try and salvage the Patriots season because Newton sucks so much that they are losing games they would otherwise win.

 

[borg]

And that's even before we start counting all the people who've had the shots, supposedly followed protocols (I'm looking at your ridiculous protocols as the #1 example, NFL), and still gotten the virus.

Bingo
NFL protocols were established pre delta Variant.......
And just two months later, the goal posts have shifted and these NFL protocols have become obsolete because transmission rates for vaxed and unvaxed are identical.
Treating unvaxed players as pariahs ignores the new reality.
Without any adjustment, these protocols are simply a charade maintained to create a completely false sense of security
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Interesting/alarming stats coming out of UK regarding death rates of Delta infected patients, vaxed and unvaxed over past two months.
People should be conscious of data from beyond our borders that too often is ignored by mainstream media here.
One article I just read said some countries are placing 8 doses/citizen vax orders.
I personally pay attention to data out of Israel because it is essentially a Pfizer vaxed country and I'm feeling some buyer's remorse with my vax choice

 

[Ring 6]

I’m glad to hear your brother was okay…must have been terrifying. If you read my response to Deus and play along that I’m a medical expert (I stayed at a Holiday Inn), it would mean that natural immunization + vaccine is the best possible immune defense against Covid. And that was the conclusion the person made when he explained it to me in layman’s terms: having vaccinated and natural immunity would be ideal because they complement each other.

The Goodell NFL is never about doing what’s right or doing what’s fair. They’ve adopted a profit over science approach for so many years. I’m quite sure their policy is based on (a) the show must go on, else we lose profits, and (b) viewership must remain high, else we lose profits. The policies are really just support beams for these ends, with scientific rationalization coming in later. That’s how they approach everything.

The NFL exists for the purpose of making profits. It will always put profit first. It may do things that appear otherwise (ie give to charity, limit fans in a pandemic, support social causes) but ultimately those moves are pr moves that serve to enhance long term profits.
There is nothing evil in that, it is their purpose in existing.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Oh, but I (and anyone else on this board) can silence you by blocking you. I won't though because while I think your post is silly, it's not some completely insane rambling nonsense or a personal attack.

In these situations, I ask myself: What Would Cam Do? Maybe you’ll find your answer there.

 

[seven]

Perhaps relevant:



Personally I hope BB is taking note of all this and deciding he can't be held hostage by an unvaxxed QB, but that could be problematic legally.

That is my Mac, Day 1 logic.
Bill's 'just tell me the rules' answer is
Two sets of rules...

'What's best for the team'?
Mac, by default
Dictated by the double standard Vax rules.

 

[Bill Lee]

I know some hate the idea of Mac learning from the sideline...

Don't hate it, at least not for the next three weeks till opening day, then I think it's valid to ask if the best way for Mac to learn would be by doing, with or without Cam on the sidelines to talk to, and if not, Hoyer.

I guess we'll find out what Bill thinks in a week or so, probably a few days after the Gints game on Sunday night.

BB is big on situational football, so what happens if he plays things out with Cam as QB1?

Best case is Cam has a good year behind our strong OL, good weapons and strong D. We either win the division or get a WC. We maybe win a game or two in the playoffs but don't go all the way, IMO, because Cam is not a top-8 QB. Now what? Cam shows he can get a team into the playoffs, he's on a one year contract for cheap money (there are backups getting more than him) and he wants to get paid. Someone else scoops him up. And for us? We're left not having seen how Mac does as starting QB. We've burned a year off his contract's cheap money. We're drafting in the bottom half of the draft, maybe the bottom quarter. So it's next season and then we get to learn if Mac is the answer or not. We all think he is, but we don't know if there's some flaw in his game that teams pick up on, or he just can't adjust to being QB1. Whatever it is, we're doing it a year later than we could have, just to see if we can't get a playoff run out of Cam.

Flip side: BB and staff genuinely thinks Mac needs another year of learning by watching, and/or more mental toughness, and/or needs physical development to be able to take hits and survive a year as starting QB. I'm having a hard time seeing anything but the physical aspect of this. Mac led his team to a national championship, you would think he is as well prepared for the grind as any incoming rookie, and if his games had weaknesses they'd be shown in the college game.

When push comes to shove, though, it's the coaches that are in the room and on the field with the players and we'll just have to see what they decide, but I'm not very excited about a redshirt year for Mac.

 

[Dingleberry]

I’ll root for the Patriots no matter who they use at QB, but I’m not stupid enough to believe that Newton is the right choice to lead them to anything other than another season with no playoffs. Unlike you I’m not straddling the fence with every post.

I think he is a lot closer to straddling Cam than a fence.

 

[denverpatsfan]

The week 1 starter whether you #respect him or not!

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

We need some arethra franklin up in here

 

[Ring 6]

The week 1 starter whether you #respect him or not!

….will be Mac Jones

 

[Zuma]

….will be Mac Jones

Be emotionally ready if Mac watches the first games…even though you think he is incapable of learning from watching…

 

[Huckleberry1]

I am think he is a lot closer to straddling Cam than a fence.

Nice.