Deal with this: I #respect Cam as a person and as a leader

[Huckleberry1]

The week 1 starter whether you #respect him or not!

Respect is earned, Can Newton has done less than nothing to earn it.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

….will be Mac Jones

I know what you think should happen, but why do you think Mac is on a trajectory to start right now, based on how the team is allotting reps?

 

[Ring 6]

I know what you think should happen, but why do you think Mac is on a trajectory to start right now, based on how the team is allotting reps?

He is clearly the better option.
He took almost every rep early in the week.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

He is clearly the better option.
He took almost every rep early in the week.

Come on, though, you know that was because Cam was barred from practicing. Cam came back and played with the 1sts again. Look, I on your side with Mac > Cam and hope Mac starts week 1, but the further we go with Cam playing with the 1s, the more likely Cam is the starter when the real games start.

You don’t believe there’s much benefit to holding Mac back, but perhaps Bill does believe that. If he were in agreement that Mac is the best option and there’s no reason to hold him back, Mac would be taking every rep with the 1s. Maybe he will still surpass Cam before week one, but as of now, it’s hard to argue with the writing in the wall: Mac is not in a trajectory to start at this time. If he starts against the Giants and plays with the starters, it’s a different discussion.

 

[Ring 6]

Come on, though, you know that was because Cam was barred from practicing. Cam came back and played with the 1sts again. Look, I on your side with Mac > Cam and hope Mac starts week 1, but the further we go with Cam playing with the 1s, the more likely Cam is the starter when the real games start.

You don’t believe there’s much benefit to holding Mac back, but perhaps Bill does believe that. If he were in agreement that Mac is the best option and there’s no reason to hold him back, Mac would be taking every rep with the 1s. Maybe he will still surpass Cam before week one, but as of now, it’s hard to argue with the writing in the wall: Mac is not in a trajectory to start at this time. If he starts against the Giants and plays with the starters, it’s a different discussion.

I don’t think Thursday had anything to do with any more than newton being out and missing the work.
I think this week clinched it, he got the opportunity and handled it well.
Belichick was asked when he will decide and he said he doesn’t know yet.

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

Respect is earned, Can Newton has done less than nothing to earn it.

Heisman Trophy
National Championship
NFL MVP
NFC Champion
3 Pro Bowls
Most rushing yards and TD by a QB, ever
10 seasons as a NFL starting QB

but other than that yeah he has done nothing.

 

[Ring 6]

Heisman Trophy
National Championship
NFL MVP
NFC Champion
3 Pro Bowls
Most rushing yards and TD by a QB, ever
10 seasons as a NFL starting QB

but other than that yeah he has done nothing.

Ok I used to respect him before he sucked.

 

[zydecochris]

And I’ll say add the disclaimer to the next part that there is no right/left, vaccine/anti-vaccine side-taking from me when it comes to my contempt for the ****ty reporting of studies and statistics, even though clearly I have a strong opinion on vaccinations. But whichever side chooses to sensationalize data without critically reviewing it first, scores a short-term victory at the cost of disastrous long-term skepticism.

>90% of the “studies” trumpeted by the media are not peer-reviewed, don’t have any type of controls, etc, rely on self-reporting, bias, and skewed population samples. But the incredible thing is the agendas of medical organizations, pharma, governments, etc. to gladly cite these and ignore the clear disclaimers that are often out up by the researchers themselves…because they need to score a PR victory.

Excellent post, really well put. I was trying to make a similar point, but I did a lousy job. I don't claim to be a medical expert, but I am an experienced scientific reviewer and well-published in peer reviewed journals. Our society is based on science (see: smartphones) and the lack of understanding of scientific research, as well as a number of dangerous trends, absolutely appalls me and IMHO threatens our technology based civilization.

As you say, real scientific researchers make only careful claims, and submissions to reputable science or medical journals are peer-reviewers (by top experts in the field) to vet and challenge every assertion that does not have iron-clad scientific evidence, to ensure that the (usually limited) claims are absolutely verified as fact, BEFORE the research is publicized. And, it takes lots of time to collect the right type of data for research studies on new phenomena (like the Delta variant).

But increasingly nobody wants to wait until data is collected over a large sample set to enable a conclusive research study. Many people now consider themselves experts at everything based on "research" that at worst is distorted information from social media, opinion makers, and conspiracy websites. But, as you pointed out, information Googled even by better informed non-experts is often sensationalized (by the media) preliminary conclusions with no review or controls. I keep hearing how "scientists keep saying different things!!!" and "who knows what to believe??". IMHO that is because the media trumpets either disinformation, distorted information, or preliminary or incomplete "newly released" research that has not been peer-reviewed, vetted, or corroborated. Of course such unvetted, exaggerated or preliminary info is conflicting.

As you say, unfortunately there are also researchers (often unfunded ones trying to make a splash to get grant funding) that themselves go to the media with preliminary headlines before their work has been reviewed (as cited in this and other threads) and then the media trumpets and extrapolates conclusions of this unvetted preliminary work.

I may be the last of a dying breed, but rather than anointing myself a medical or vaccine expert I will wait for recommendations from medical experts at entities like NIH and the CDC....and, occasionally Board experts like PBPF.

 

[masterbouncer]

Heisman Trophy
National Championship
NFL MVP
NFC Champion
3 Pro Bowls
Most rushing yards and TD by a QB, ever
10 seasons as a NFL starting QB

but other than that yeah he has done nothing.

so you say he was/is a great RB playing the QB position?

 

[Huckleberry1]

Heisman Trophy
National Championship
NFL MVP
NFC Champion
3 Pro Bowls
Most rushing yards and TD by a QB, ever
10 seasons as a NFL starting QB

but other than that yeah he has done nothing.

Im talking about his time in New England, and at no point have I ever said that he hasn’t ever achieved anything. I’m not a fan of Auburn or Carolina and I don’t care what he did there, he has flat out sucked in New England, he hasn’t earned our respect and he doesn’t deserve our loyalty.

 

[Zuma]

Ok I used to respect him before he sucked.

 

[Ring 6]

Not moving anything.
Responding to someone else moving the goal posts by answering that he earned respect as a patriot QBs by things that happened long ago when he was a different player.

 

[Tony2046]

Great leaders jump on balls in superbowls, not back away from them. Great leaders do not make excuses. Great leaders do more than smile on the sideline. Cam playing nicey nice is good and all, but great leaders find a way to win despite the odds.

This is shallow as hell. Holy shyt.

 

[Deus Irae]

This is shallow as hell. Holy shyt.

I love reading random people telling everyone about leadership by pointing to specific, singular acts, or pointing to activities that anyone might (or might not) do, without any leadership requirement being there. Then again, I also love the "A real leader would never ____" arguments, because those, too, are so often laughably wrong.

 

[Tony2046]

I love reading random people telling everyone about leadership by pointing to specific, singular acts, or pointing to activities that anyone might (or might not) do, without any leadership requirement being there. Then again, I also love the "A real leader would never ____" arguments, because those, too, are so often laughably wrong.

To be judged on one moment in time, most would fail.

To be compared to the ultimate, most if not all would fail.

 

[Joker]

look...I was born...THAT is a major win...in the end I'm gonna die..the penultimate failure...in between? all just wind in sails, a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, ultimately signifying nothing...

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I love reading random people telling everyone about leadership by pointing to specific, singular acts, or pointing to activities that anyone might (or might not) do, without any leadership requirement being there. Then again, I also love the "A real leader would never ____" arguments, because those, too, are so often laughably wrong.

If only Cam had the guts, leadership, and skill in Super Bowl 50, the team would have rallied around him! But the lights were too bright for him.

 

[sambam94]

This is shallow as hell. Holy shyt.

it's the truth

 

[pats99]

Cam is a better person than Tom Brady because at least Cam never quit on the Patriots

Played 19 years, 17 division titles, 6 superbowls ... for the Patriots.
At 42 years old wanted long term deal, instead was offered a short term deal with a team devoid of talent.

"at least Cam never quit on the Patriots"

Wow !!

 

[Huckleberry1]

Cam is a better person than Tom Brady because at least Cam never quit on the Patriots

Winner of the dumbest post contest.