Yes, Asiasi and Keene Are Flops

[rochrist]

First year was not promising so much but let s wait and see

How would we know when their QB couldn't hit the broad side of a barn?

 

[50-yard-line]

mistakes in the draft mean cash on the barrel head in free agency!

record amount of cash spent this year means a lot of mistakes in past drafts.

Or it means they didn't spend that cash on players they had drafted who were given huge contracts elsewhere.

Go look at the roster last year. It was all rookie contracts and older players - nothing in the middle.

(And PS: Tavon Wilson's going into his 10th season in the NFL. If you think that's a typical 7th rounder, I don't know what to tell you.)

 

[stcjones]

Much too early to call them flops.

This is their chance to prove it in TC....one of them at the least will be cut

 

[Wozzy]

I agree 100 percent. There is no doubt that bb made the right call in admitting his mistake and signing two guys that should contribute greatly in our offense next Season if the qb play improves!

Even if BB “admitted his mistake” in 2019 or 2020 he still had no money to sign the two best TE’s in free agency, never mind the best DE along with a bunch of other expensive free agents. What are we even talking about?

The team was broke in 2019, they had to borrow from Marcus Cannon’s contract just to squeeze Sanu on the roster... but we’re pretending any of this was possible back then?

Keene and Asiasi weren’t necessarily “mistakes,” they’re young. The #1 TE taken in that draft class had one catch through the first five weeks. One or both of these guys might turn out to be good or even great.

 

[Hyped]

Nope. The jury isn't in yet, not by a long shot. 2020 was weird AF...if there ever were a year to just hit the reset button on, 2020 for the win, Yo!

Keene missed some time, had no TC, and seemed to be learning multiple positions as well. This year, he's already been pumping iron since January...and likely only competing with Johnson/Vitale and the #4TE position. If he can play some H-Back, bye bye LaCosse, IMO.

Asiasi had a friend gunned down, IIRC...missed some more time with injury..and looked some good in week 17. The kid has only had...what? 5 balls thrown his way in live action, no? One of them was a TD, just sayin'.... he is an upgrade over Izzo at absolute worst.

We could do far worse than a #3TE and a H-Bacl with two threes.....

 

[mgteich]

Just typical “woe is me” New England fan drivel. We suck, we have no talent... it was true in 2014, 2016 and 2018... it has to be true now.

???
I've said that belichick had a great off-season and a great draft, and you think that this is a "woe i me" post?

 

[mgteich]

Or they are going to carry 4 TEs since they are planning on running 2 TE sets a majority of the time. You're posts on stuff like this are continue to go down hill. You're sounding more and more like Captain stone and the negative Nancies than you are a experienced Pats fan.

This is nonsense.

I think that we will win 10 or 11 games BECAUSE Belichick signed TE's0, rather than expecting his draftees to develop, which might easily have been the case. and BECAUSE Belichick recognized and recognize the need in the defensive front seven.

He understood that he had developing draftees like Cowart, Winovich, Bentley, Uche and Jennings. Did Belichick rely on the development of these draftees. No, he spent lots and lots of assets on the front seven.
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Belichick could have taken a wait and see position regarding TE's and the front seven. Many support the draft choices over the past 4 years, and think that these players would develop enough to make us successful. THANKFULLY, belichick recognized that lots and lots of help at this positions.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

1) We used two top draft picks (3rd rounders) to secure our TE's of the future with contracts through 2023.

2) One year later, Belichick uses $25M a year AAV (with $46.25M guaranteed) to sign TE's for the same contract time period (actually, we have an additional year on Smith's contract.

3) How can the conclusion be anything other than Belichick believed that he change his past evaluation and secure two new TE's?

4) Yes, I expect one our two 2020 3rd rounders to make the team as a #3 TE, or TE/FB/HB. They beat out Izzo and will beat out LeCosse. That is a truly awful return on two 3rd rounders.

Just like the disasters of David Thomas and Garrett Mills picks in 2006 and Chad Jackson. So similar to busting on Asiasi and Keene and also NKeal Harry. Almost deja vu on certain eyes whiffing over talent evaluation. The free agent signings hopefully salvaged some of the offense. Otherwise we just need a totally new coordinator to turn things around. It's been 2 years of ineptitude on offense.

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[captain stone]

sorry this dawned on you so insidiously on a nice may Sunday & caused you so much distress you just had to open another special thread..

Nobody can predict when moments of clarity will occur...

 

[Pats1971]

Nope. The jury isn't in yet, not by a long shot. 2020 was weird AF...if there ever were a year to just hit the reset button on, 2020 for the win, Yo!

Keene missed some time, had no TC, and seemed to be learning multiple positions as well. This year, he's already been pumping iron since January...and likely only competing with Johnson/Vitale and the #4TE position. If he can play some H-Back, bye bye LaCosse, IMO.

Asiasi had a friend gunned down, IIRC...missed some more time with injury..and looked some good in week 17. The kid has only had...what? 5 balls thrown his way in live action, no? One of them was a TD, just sayin'.... he is an upgrade over Izzo at absolute worst.

We could do far worse than a #3TE and a H-Bacl with two threes.....

I think we need to stop using that excuse of 2020, other teams had the same issues. Every team had rookies, no teams had much of an offseason.

 

[Pats1971]

Or it means they didn't spend that cash on players they had drafted who were given huge contracts elsewhere.

Go look at the roster last year. It was all rookie contracts and older players - nothing in the middle.

(And PS: Tavon Wilson's going into his 10th season in the NFL. If you think that's a typical 7th rounder, I don't know what to tell you.)

What did he do here? He can barely start for the worst defense in the NFL in detroit. lol, and trust me they tried to make him into something here, but it was a bust. He was drafted too high and Even Bill knew that when he let him walk.

 

[Deus Irae]

I think we need to stop using that excuse of 2020, other teams had the same issues. Every team had rookies, no teams had much of an offseason.

The honks will use every excuse they can invent, because they've invested so much into the Patriots being perfect, or nearly so, and even most of the truly obvious mistakes must be defended. It's bizarre, but it's what they do.

 

[Deus Irae]

This team had holes all over the place. I'm sure we can all agree that Belichick is smart enough to know that, and the team's owner made it clear that part of the problem was lousy recent drafting. So, knowing that, why would BB spend more than $56m, just in guaranteed money, to fix a position that was already fixed? Are you people trying to tell us that Belichick is too brilliant to miss with picks despite the owner's acknowledment of bad drafting, too brilliant to be screwed on contracts, and too stupid to know that other positions needed investment, and could use $56+m in upgrades?

 

[captain stone]

The honks will use every excuse they can invent, because they've invested so much into the Patriots being perfect, or nearly so, and even most of the truly obvious mistakes must be defended. It's bizarre, but it's what they do.

What's even more bizarre is that they still don't understand - or refuse to acknowledge - the specific reasons why Billy & Nicky deserve to be excoriated for those two picks...Probably because, for one thing, they agree with Billy that draft picks apparently are over-rated...

 

[DaBruinz]

Gronk and...."the other guy" Were drafted by the pats, not purchased on day one in free agency. Belichick has never went out and broke the bank at that position even times when we needed TE's.

It doesn't matter HOW they were added. They were still given top dollar. Something you seem to not comprehend.

And let's get a few things straight that you seem to also NOT understand. The other times that we have "needed" TEs, the Pats either didn't have the money or there wasn't the talent available or the talent that was available wasn't better than what we had.

There have been plenty of times BB "never did something" and he went out and did it. Such as "never drafting an underclassman". Such as never drafting a RB or WR in round 1. Such as drafting a guard in round 1. Everything I mentioned is something that someone swore up and down would never happen with Bill Belichick and it's happened with Bill Belichick.

 

[Deus Irae]

What's even more bizarre is that they still don't understand - or refuse to acknowledge - the specific reasons why Billy & Nicky deserve to be excoriated for those two picks...Probably because, for one thing, they agree with Billy that draft picks apparently are over-rated...

And we seem to have to go through this nonsense every year. Every year there's push back on anything that the honks perceive as even remotely unflattering. Sometimes it's just a few lone honk stragglers, but this year's crappy TE play seems to have brought out more than the usual numbers.

And the "It's all speculation", "It's all hindsight", "It takes 3 years", stuff was old probably even before any of us were born.

 

[DaBruinz]

A 5th is pretty high for a kicker in most drafts, especially one that does not make the team, so yes, it was odd. Odd in it never happened the entire time Belichick has coached the Patriots.

You don't know WTF you are talking about. 5th is NOT Pretty high for a kicker. What do you mean it never happened the entire time Belichick coached the Patriots? While you are "technically" correct that prior to Rohrwasser, Belichick had never selected a kicker in the 5th round, you might want to educate yourself with the following:

Stephen Gostkowski - 4th round draft choice of the New England Patriots in 2006.

Zoltan Mesko - 5th round pick of the Patriots in 2010.
Jake Bailey - 5th round pick 2019.

The 5th round is where MANY teams take Kickers and Punters in drafts.

The only "ODD" thing about it is that Rohrwasser didn't make the team. And it's not that odd because many picks in the 5th, 6th and 7th rounds haven't made this team since Belichick was here.

 

[DaBruinz]

And we seem to have to go through this nonsense every year. Every year there's push back on anything that the honks perceive as even remotely unflattering. Sometimes it's just a few lone honk stragglers, but this year's crappy TE play seems to have brought out more than the usual numbers.

And the "It's all speculation", "It's all hindsight", "It takes 3 years", stuff was old probably even before any of us were born.

OH, STUFF your BS already Deus. Seriously. You talk about your arse on picks all the time when you are, bar none, the most clueless when it comes to them. Yes, you're even more clueless than Stone.

The TE play wasn't nearly as crappy as what you and stone would have people believe. Especially when you look at the horrible QBing there was.

But you can't be bothered to acknowledge the perfect storm that made it nearly impossible for the two guys to get a fair year to develop. Instead, you MMQB the entire thing MONTHS later and act as if your were prescient or something. You weren't. And neither was stone. In fact, he continues to be the master BS spewer. Such as his claims that Keene and Asiasi were over-drafted (they weren't as projections had them as 3rd rounders). The claims that it was a "bad" TE class were also BS.

 

[DaBruinz]

Its always been very hard for me to trash a draft pick, because I can say with full disclosure they know way more about that player than I do. I mean I have got lucky before and scratched my head at taking Tavon Wilson in the second round who was a 7th round projected Pick and then he turns out to be...well basically a 7th round projected kind of player, but for the most part, I would have no ground to stand on, but I do know when a draft pick fails after the fact, I just think people have a hard time saying something that Bill did, didnt work.

Calling BS on this. Wilson was NOT a projected as a 7th round pick except by 2 mags known for having garbage ratings. There were more than a few that had him rated as a high 3rd round pick to Mid 4th round pick. Being taken as the 32 pick in the 2nd round is all of 1 pick off from being a "high 3rd round pick".

Wilson was MORE than a 7th round pick in his play. Just because you can't understand that doesn't mean that Belichick is wrong. It means that YOU are incapable of understanding that the draft mags you hold so dear make mistakes ALL the time without any accountability.

But please. Tell us again how you scratched your head over a pick and how BB had NEVER drafted a kicker as high as the 5th round prior to Rohrwasser.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

The TE play wasn't nearly as crappy as what you and stone would have people believe.

Oh wow, the bridge troll who loved arguing that the Patriots have been great at drafting wide receiver, now defending the league worst TE group which has been league worst for 2 years in a row. Almost as bad as the 2011 Rams and 2010 Broncos offenses were at TE. We will look back on how pathetic it was that fringe backups or practice squad guys were playing tight end in 2019 and 2020 compared to other teams that had actually good TEs. We just blew huge money on 2 starting tight ends, this is indisputable, to fix this huge problem. Our new offense is a base 12 offense. Henry and Jonnu will be playing a ton of snaps every single game. Very happy this happened.