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@BaconGrundleCandy Great work this is awesome. Just want to let you know that 2nd round safeties do not have number values/grades
 
I am not sure about BB trading up in the first after we have so many holes. I did a Mock Draft where i traded down with the Bears. For two second rounders or a high second and third i would trade down if none of these 10-15 or 20 difference makers fall down. I can see BB trading up for Trautman. If i remember right, he said sth. like he would rather win on the LOS than sth. else. I think BB really liked this. Or for Bowden.
Yeah an OT like Wynn would be nice and give us a great young OT duo to protect our future QB.
Would you either take Becton Jones Jackson or Wills?
I love Willis and think he'll be a real player at RT or G. That versatility can only help. Esp with Cannon looking shaky. I know it injury but this might be a real opportunity to find our other T to pair with Wynn. Hopefully lock up Thuney?

Willis is so smooth in his movements. His agility and steps are just light. Not a lot of lumbering around but he draws so much power from those clean flashes. Soft but very quick feet. Can really pop his hips and gets his power from both. Reminds me of Wynn in that aspect. Light, soft feet but draws a lot of power. Not as physically imposing or makes it a point to smash you into the ground like Becton but he's just worried about getting to the next spot. Probably someone that plays with a clock in his head and just always moving.

Reminds of Wynn in terms of his strikes too. Good hands, definitely someone who's staying after practice and obviously going against the best at Bama.

I'd go Willis, Becton, Jackson & Jones for us. Actually really like all 4. Jackson was beat up at times this year and could be a very nice player. Very athletic. Raw but his not a huge project.

I wonder what our feelings will be on prospects like this? Capable of being a real player but needs real attention. It'll be telling in terms of our faith in the next guy/coach.

If You can improve his footwork and hand timing in his strikes you might have a starter. Most of his other issues are pretty easy to fix. Not lazy stuff but he could be a bit more consistent in looking the part. Keeps his hands too low, too late when striking. Looks a bit too tight when in his stance. Could loosen up. I think there's a lot of untapped power there.
 
Couple of WR questions:

Pleasantly surprised at the high regard given UCF's Gabriel Davis, whom I had pegged as somebody who might still be available at #125...What did you see in him that convinced you otherwise?

Also surprised, though in a less pleasant way, that James Proche and his limitations is placed ahead of Van Jefferson, Lynn Bowden, Antonio Gibson & Joe Reed - all of whom I would draft in that order ahead of him - as a potential Slot/Returner/Weapon option...
I like Davis. He's stood out for 2 years when I've watched him. Full games, plays here and there. Even if he didn't get the ball. Just performs like a pro in many regards imo. + hand usage off the line, in route, catch point. Always snags it away from his body. Can beat press. Knows how to stack and play with a defender. + tracking. Good play speed\strength. Good blocker.
Has to clean up his release. Play with 110% every snap. Try to get a lil quicker. Last one would go a long way for him.

I love Proche. Didn't test as well as I hoped. He's limited but I love what he brings. Strong hands, great hand/eye coordination ability to catch through contact.

He'd be a perfect understudy to a guy like Edleman, Beasley. Has to work on rr, creating space with what he has instead of getting matched up on someone. Not sure if he has the quicks long term but I like his potential to learn.

Been a big fan of Jefferson. Older prospect but he could help someone rn. One of the best in/out of his breaks. Really crafty, precise rr. Love to see him in Dallas, NO or NYG. Timing WR that would do well with guys that like be on point about everything.
 
I love Willis and think he'll be a real player at RT or G. That versatility can only help. Esp with Cannon looking shaky. I know it injury but this might be a real opportunity to find our other T to pair with Wynn. Hopefully lock up Thuney?

Willis is so smooth in his movements. His agility and steps are just light. Not a lot of lumbering around but he draws so much power from those clean flashes. Soft but very quick feet. Can really pop his hips and gets his power from both. Reminds me of Wynn in that aspect. Light, soft feet but draws a lot of power. Not as physically imposing or makes it a point to smash you into the ground like Becton but he's just worried about getting to the next spot. Probably someone that plays with a clock in his head and just always moving.

Reminds of Wynn in terms of his strikes too. Good hands, definitely someone who's staying after practice and obviously going against the best at Bama.

I'd go Willis, Becton, Jackson & Jones for us. Actually really like all 4. Jackson was beat up at times this year and could be a very nice player. Very athletic. Raw but his not a huge project.

I wonder what our feelings will be on prospects like this? Capable of being a real player but needs real attention. It'll be telling in terms of our faith in the next guy/coach.

If You can improve his footwork and hand timing in his strikes you might have a starter. Most of his other issues are pretty easy to fix. Not lazy stuff but he could be a bit more consistent in looking the part. Keeps his hands too low, too late when striking. Looks a bit too tight when in his stance. Could loosen up. I think there's a lot of untapped power there.

Great Analysis!
My Ranking would be: Wirfs, Thomas, Wills, Becton, Jackson, Cleveland, Jones
Jedrick Wills would be amazing for us. He can be a Day 1 starter for us i think. Also it would give us the chance to cut Cannon and free some cap space up. And when we play with a young QB we need a great O-Line. I like athletic OT like Wills, cause they can handle also speed rushers. Becton had a great combine for his Size and Weight, which was pretty impressive for me, cause i didn't really expect these numbers from him. He ran almost the same number as Jackson. This is insane. My concern with him is. How can he handle speed rushers and is he able to loose some weight. I wonder if Becton could also play guard. He could be a tremendous force for our run game. I expect BB to install sth. like a run first offense with our issues at Weapons for our QB.
Clevelands combine was great for an OT, but i am a little concerned about his NFL Strengths. I don't think he could be a day 1 starter for us. Needs a redshirt year and get one some weight.
I am not sure about Cleveland or Jones in the first. Have a second on both sth. between 36-46. I wouldn't mind if we draft down and get one of them in the second when Wills Becton Jackson Wirfs and Thomas are gone. WHen one of them is available draft them instantly. The other Secondarys can't cover receivers for 4-5 seconds. One should get open in this time.
What do you mean by lock up Thuney? sorry my english is not the best.

What is your Opinion on Baun, Murray, Queen and Epenesa?
 
Trade back scenarios ...

Chicago - 43/50 for NEP - 23/98

Carolina - 38/69 for NEP - 23

NYG - 36/99 for NEP - 23

Houston - 40/57 for NEP - 23/125 (Might have to swap 3rd's)

Cincinnati - 33/65 for NEP - 23/100

Tennessee - 29/61 for NEP 23/87


Trade up scenarios ...

23, 87, 98 brings us right around/in between Atlanta (16) & Denver (15). Denver has three 3rd round picks I believe while Atlanta only has one.

We could pick 23 and use two 3rds to get 64. Seattle has 59 as well, so they could be will to part.

I wonder if they'd give up 64/59 for 87/98/100


Trade into next year ...
LA Rams are a bit of a mess rn and have a ton of FA's next year. No 1st rounds picks this year or next.

Maybe they get desperate and give us 2021 2nd & 2022 1st for 23?

Might we wishful thinking but next year's draft is loaded too. And again, remember we have ammo to move up to late 2nd and keep 100 if we do trade away our 1st for a future 1st (picks).

Just some thoughts. The strength of this draft is in the 2nd-3rd rounds imo. Unless we're going for a QB I want as many shots as I can get 33-100.

With 4 top 100 picks, seemingly we're in great shape.
 
I looked for players who tested best in the drills we favor/prefer. Then slotted them by talent/projection with that in mind. * Next to a name means they tested top 5-10 at their position.

Big Board ...

2020 NEP Big Board.xlsx

I'll have most if not all my grading done tonight. You'll be able to find those here ...
Draft grades (2011-present)
DRAFT GRADES - HISTORY 2011-PRESENT.xlsx


Any questions, comments feel free to ask or shoot your shot.

Incredibly useful even for draft know nothings like me. TY!
 
Great Analysis!
My Ranking would be: Wirfs, Thomas, Wills, Becton, Jackson, Cleveland, Jones
Jedrick Wills would be amazing for us. He can be a Day 1 starter for us i think. Also it would give us the chance to cut Cannon and free some cap space up. And when we play with a young QB we need a great O-Line. I like athletic OT like Wills, cause they can handle also speed rushers. Becton had a great combine for his Size and Weight, which was pretty impressive for me, cause i didn't really expect these numbers from him. He ran almost the same number as Jackson. This is insane. My concern with him is. How can he handle speed rushers and is he able to loose some weight. I wonder if Becton could also play guard. He could be a tremendous force for our run game. I expect BB to install sth. like a run first offense with our issues at Weapons for our QB.
Clevelands combine was great for an OT, but i am a little concerned about his NFL Strengths. I don't think he could be a day 1 starter for us. Needs a redshirt year and get one some weight.
I am not sure about Cleveland or Jones in the first. Have a second on both sth. between 36-46. I wouldn't mind if we draft down and get one of them in the second when Wills Becton Jackson Wirfs and Thomas are gone. WHen one of them is available draft them instantly. The other Secondarys can't cover receivers for 4-5 seconds. One should get open in this time.
What do you mean by lock up Thuney? sorry my english is not the best.

What is your Opinion on Baun, Murray, Queen and Epenesa?
My English isn't that great either no worries.

I think Becton has the quicks, speed to play outside. His weight is/has been an issue so you'll need to watch him and really see how he handles the lifestyle change. If he can get that under control and just stay under 335-340 he'll be fine. He has a few small flaws but he should be a good player for a while.

Regarding Thuney, I'm hoping we lock him up lock term. It'll free up money. Gives us a vg player. Someone who we know we can depend on. Someone who's been through everything. You can replace your IOL (interior offensive line) but when you have a guy like Thuney I think you do everything you can to make it work.
Thuney hasn't just made it as a pro. He made it under Bill. A big reason why we won our last SB. Probably the best OL in this era (NEP).?

I think Wynn-Thuney-Andrews(?)-Mason-Cannon/Willis/Becton/Wirfs could be an absolute nightmare group this year though.

I really like Baun and think he has potential. He's good at everything. Has to get stronger. He'll most likely start off the ball but he's so good around the los you want me to get stronger. Vg hands. Great motor. He's a 100% guy in practice. Game day. Below I'll talk about Harrison. I think both might be Swiss-army- Type player bc both are versatile on/away from los and can play off the ball. Harrison and Murray are better slashers. Better at knifing through gaps than taking on blocks. Harrison is a lot farther along there. So he definitely has an edge when talking about handling one's self along the los. Baun is probably better off his feet though. Both can maneuver through and around bodies to make a play.

I think Harrison could be a KVN replacement as well. Vg play strength. Not many college players can handle OL'm and he can stand his ground and anchor. He can really get underneath bigger guys. Has a lil juice when he comes off the ball. Has some pop in his hands. Smart player. Smart enough to handle added duties year by year.

YGM is a nice lil project. I think he needs a Vrabel, Zimmer type coach to yank it out. He needs an alpha to really get his attention. Not a great a athlete but his length and traits are legit. He needs to get with a Chuck Smith or some pass rush guru to help him refine his punches, placement and accuracy.
Has to clean up his run fits at times but he has potential as a run defender. Good instincts. Can slide down the los to fill or chase backside. Covers a lot ground.

When coiled up he can really get off the ball. Think he'd be effective out wide too.

I love Murray's attitude and approach. He's a pro. He'll do anything you ask.

Get him in space and let him shoot. Get him going downhill. Sideline to sideline speed. Put him weak side or Sam depending on what you're playing.

He has some potential playing along the los. His length, ability to create leverage is real. He's just inconsistent about his next move. Moving his hands, finding his man's hands etc. He has potential there. Get him next to a guy like HT and he'll feast. Every LB needs a good DL but Murray would really benefit from playing with someone like HT. Great example of how to take on OL'm.

He'll be a favorite of teams that like to blitz a lot. I bet Minne has their eye on him.

Queen has been another guy I like. PTP since start of the year. Play speed and agility are legit. Dude is loose and could be a legit weapon. Sideline to sideline speed but his change of direction, stop/start is top tier. He's a nightmare to get a handle on. Can't imagine what he'd look like behind, playing around great players. Not that he didn't at LSU but his best days are ahead of him.
Can flow, knife, attack. Very smart, heady player. Great instincts, trust himself big time. You can tell bc there's almost 0 hesitation in his game. Always flowing on the 2nd level closing in and taking away angles. Knifing through. His size is what it is but he uses it and makes it work. Again opponents hate getting hands on him. He's so slippery and has good contact balance so he'll be able to get square last minute to make a play or hell just jump on and try to weigh you down.
Lots of potential in coverage. Has the athleticism to hang with guys downfield. Smarts to cut in lanes, step up/slide in overhang. He has some issues in coverage this year but every LB will at times. He just has the goods imo to really get there.

He's a baby too. Young player, former RB, still learning the position.

I like Epenesa. Heavy hands. Length and he knows how to use it. Mentioned he was a Flowers replacement months ago. Very similar players. High motor fighters who win with effort & length. I like him just not in the 1st Rd.
Great initial punch but not a ton of moves and won't win running, bending up the arc. High floor, low ceiling. Again I think Flowers is a decent comp as his ceiling or right around there.
 
Trade back scenarios ...

Chicago - 43/50 for NEP - 23/98

Carolina - 38/69 for NEP - 23

NYG - 36/99 for NEP - 23

Houston - 40/57 for NEP - 23/125 (Might have to swap 3rd's)

Cincinnati - 33/65 for NEP - 23/100

Tennessee - 29/61 for NEP 23/87


Trade up scenarios ...

23, 87, 98 brings us right around/in between Atlanta (16) & Denver (15). Denver has three 3rd round picks I believe while Atlanta only has one.

We could pick 23 and use two 3rds to get 64. Seattle has 59 as well, so they could be will to part.

I wonder if they'd give up 64/59 for 87/98/100


Trade into next year ...
LA Rams are a bit of a mess rn and have a ton of FA's next year. No 1st rounds picks this year or next.

Maybe they get desperate and give us 2021 2nd & 2022 1st for 23?

Might we wishful thinking but next year's draft is loaded too. And again, remember we have ammo to move up to late 2nd and keep 100 if we do trade away our 1st for a future 1st (picks).

Just some thoughts. The strength of this draft is in the 2nd-3rd rounds imo. Unless we're going for a QB I want as many shots as I can get 33-100.

With 4 top 100 picks, seemingly we're in great shape.
Another possibility might be trading down slightly a couple of times and pick up an extra late 3rd & early-mid 4th, then coming back with all this ammunition (6 3rd- & 4th-round picks) and trading back into the late 2nd round...

(Tony Pauline's PFN website now has a mock draft simulator that includes trades, and while in the real world a team needs a target for whom it's willing to trade up, a formula similar to the Jimmy Johnson value chart is likely used to calculate which trades make at least numerical sense from a theoretical standpoint...)
 
As much as I would like to get excited and hopeful about this draft, part of me wants to just trade all our picks into next year's draft. It seems unlikely a franchise QB will fall to us and I can't help but feel we would be better off just tanking and consolidating draft capital for next year as much as possible. I know this won't happen, but it's what would make the most sense to me. Trade our older players for draft picks while we're at it maybe. No point keeping someone who won't be here playing at a high level in 2-3 if that's the shortest amount of time our rebuild will take. Just my 2 cents.
 
As much as I would like to get excited and hopeful about this draft, part of me wants to just trade all our picks into next year's draft. It seems unlikely a franchise QB will fall to us and I can't help but feel we would be better off just tanking and consolidating draft capital for next year as much as possible. I know this won't happen, but it's what would make the most sense to me. Trade our older players for draft picks while we're at it maybe. No point keeping someone who won't be here playing at a high level in 2-3 if that's the shortest amount of time our rebuild will take. Just my 2 cents.
Yea I'm not there yet but definitely get that pov Bob. Trust me I really want to land a 2021 1st/2nd.
Next year's class is much more than Lawrence. It'll be more top heavy which is what a team like us wants. Lawrence, Fields, Ridder, Newman, Purdy, Morgan and a few others. And as we know 1-2 will pop up out of nowhere.

I'm all about getting that next guy but I want to give Stidham a real shot.

I think barring Love-Herbert falling to us. Cam signing for cheap money. Stidham will be the starter. Might be a tough eval but you'll know after year 1 whether he's the real deal or not.

You still want those picks though. It's another great WR/RB class. OT looks top heavy. Few really good LBs. Shaping up to be another good one.

If we were to trade out we could still use two 3rds to get into the late 2nd and have a 3rd. I know some would not like it but it's about the big picture now.

We're not 1 player away until we find the next legit QB.
 
In a normal year (1st-round pick between 28-32, TB at QB) I would be A-OK with Josh Jones...
With Scar? I could see it considering what his flaws are, sure.

I said in another post it'll be interesting to see how we approach drafting the position now that he's no longer here. Will we hold off on projects and guys with some technique issues longer than usual? Curious to see the confidence we have in that part of the staff.

*Side Note*
Supposedly we've met or talked to QB Morgan, Cleveland (OT), R Williams (DL)
 
@BaconGrundleCandy Cool to see Terrell Lewis on the Pats Big board. I like him. Not sure he will ever be a great player but I think he will be a solid player. Thoughts on him?
 
@BaconGrundleCandy Cool to see Terrell Lewis on the Pats Big board. I like him. Not sure he will ever be a great player but I think he will be a solid player. Thoughts on him?
He's a high cut, limited pass rusher that really has to get 1)stronger, 2)still learning the position so his counters, block recognition etc isn't where it needs to be and 3)more aggressive overall.

So many injuries so he's been set back a lot. A lot of flashes. It's usually him just timing & waiting on a play. He'll show great awareness, ability to get leverage and use his length. Just not enough of it. He has to fill out though and keep learning the position imo. Not ready for full time duties.
Put some mass on. Improve his hand usage/strength when he's engaged really close to someone. Grip strength is so underrated. Keep learning the position.

He's a year or two away from being a full version of himself though.
 
I think he goes a lot sooner than some think. Just can't help but think he'd be a great piece for Bill and give Bill a project to play with over the next few year's.
Queen is a former RB. Still learning the spot but his IQ and nose for the ball are legit. Just a very smart, savvy player.
+acceleration. +instincts. Wants to be a playmaker.

Seems to have that blend of patience and explosiveness you want.

If You watched you saw a guy give up some plays in coverage but also make quite a few plays you don't see players at his position making. Never seemed out of place.

Could play Will/Mike. Not sure where I like him the most. Coaches can figure that out. His potential in coverage is real imo. Every team wants someone to play that overhang and take on RB's running wheel, whip, or just in the flat. Some miscues but again there expected and he looks like he belongs.
Idk get Deion Jones/Kwon Alexander vibes. Seems like a good dude too.









 
Have you given any thought to the POSSIBLE ramifications of the COVID pandemic and the effect it may have on the 2020 draft/season? If ,in a worst case scenario, the season is cancelled do you think Goodell still goes ahead with a draft right now? I've been scouring links to NFL-offices on Park Avenue and quite frankly am not finding anything that even remotely resembles a coherent plan, either immediate or strategic.
Secondly,what happens if the 2020 college season is cancelled? What kind of dire consequence would THAT hold for the 2021 draft? Here is what Goodell has to say as of today, as rep[orted by Peter King


According to Peter King of Pro Football Talk, Goodell might be conducting the 2020 NFL Draft — which has been moved from an in-person draft in Las Vegas, to a remote draft — from the friendly confines of his Bronxville home with a remotely controlled camera.

“The other day, I was told that NFL commissioner Roger Goodell could kick off the 2020 NFL Draft in 24 days from a remote-controlled camera in his home in Bronxville, N.Y., a village 15 miles north of NFL headquarters in Manhattan,” King wrote. “But, a source with knowledge of draft-logistics discussions told me, that would be a ‘worst-case scenario.’”

While one unnamed sourced described it as worst-case scenario, King and NFL Network’s Rich Eisen disputed that, saying that if Goodell were to do the draft from his home, it would continue to emphasize the importance of social distancing during the spread of coronavirus.

“Sounds like a ‘best-case scenario’ to me. Rich Eisen, the NFL Network draft host, agreed,” King wrote. “‘What better way to communicate the necessity to stay inside to stop the spread of the coronavirus than the commissioner of the NFL announcing the picks, alone, from his house in New York?’ Eisen told me.”

The 2020 draft was supposed to take place on the Las Vegas Strip. However, the league and Goodell decided on March 16 that it would no longer take place in public as planned. Ten days later, Goodell announced that the draft would go on as planned when it came to the timeline, but it would, “need to be conducted in a different way.”


If the draft needs to be conducted "in a different way" as of this early stage of the pandemic, exactly what way will a season take place as the pandemic plays out? Do the "32" and their commissioner plan on playing in empty stadiums? Revenues?
 
Have you given any thought to the POSSIBLE ramifications of the COVID pandemic and the effect it may have on the 2020 draft/season? If ,in a worst case scenario, the season is cancelled do you think Goodell still goes ahead with a draft right now? I've been scouring links to NFL-offices on Park Avenue and quite frankly am not finding anything that even remotely resembles a coherent plan, either immediate or strategic.
Secondly,what happens if the 2020 college season is cancelled? What kind of dire consequence would THAT hold for the 2021 draft? Here is what Goodell has to say as of today, as rep[orted by Peter King


According to Peter King of Pro Football Talk, Goodell might be conducting the 2020 NFL Draft — which has been moved from an in-person draft in Las Vegas, to a remote draft — from the friendly confines of his Bronxville home with a remotely controlled camera.

“The other day, I was told that NFL commissioner Roger Goodell could kick off the 2020 NFL Draft in 24 days from a remote-controlled camera in his home in Bronxville, N.Y., a village 15 miles north of NFL headquarters in Manhattan,” King wrote. “But, a source with knowledge of draft-logistics discussions told me, that would be a ‘worst-case scenario.’”

While one unnamed sourced described it as worst-case scenario, King and NFL Network’s Rich Eisen disputed that, saying that if Goodell were to do the draft from his home, it would continue to emphasize the importance of social distancing during the spread of coronavirus.

“Sounds like a ‘best-case scenario’ to me. Rich Eisen, the NFL Network draft host, agreed,” King wrote. “‘What better way to communicate the necessity to stay inside to stop the spread of the coronavirus than the commissioner of the NFL announcing the picks, alone, from his house in New York?’ Eisen told me.”

The 2020 draft was supposed to take place on the Las Vegas Strip. However, the league and Goodell decided on March 16 that it would no longer take place in public as planned. Ten days later, Goodell announced that the draft would go on as planned when it came to the timeline, but it would, “need to be conducted in a different way.”


If the draft needs to be conducted "in a different way" as of this early stage of the pandemic, exactly what way will a season take place as the pandemic plays out? Do the "32" and their commissioner plan on playing in empty stadiums? Revenues?
So the best, real answer is Idk. I know some sports like Hockey make a lot of money at the gate. I believe one NBA win = arounds 100K, double that playoffs. Not sure about the NFL.

I know they'll do w/e it takes to make it work. These are guys that have willingly ignored CTE.

I think a worst case is they play, both pro/college. At off-sites where teams, players are separated except for practice/game day. Players, coaches routinely, randomly scanned a few times a week & monitored every day

If both are cancelled I suspect they'll have next year's draft as planned and let anyone eligible to enter?

Maybe bring teams closer into the process and have the draft committee more involved? The committee gives out a certain number of grades every year. Maybe they can get together with teams and give out more grades and advice? It's historically conservative but at least prospects would get a feel for where they might go?

Guys like Brady, Ben, Brees, Rivers, maybe Cam, Fitzpatrick, Hoyer will all be gone. I'm sure I'm missing a few but teams will still be searching for QBs then so I expect they would tell prospects to stay in shape. Maybe have a more football-geared combine where players put on a few pads and go light to give teams an idea of who's in shape. Who's been watching film.

Hopefully this is just a 2020 problem
 
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