AB toying with us again

[shmessy]

Non-existent passing game. Non-existent running game. Limping into the playoffs. where have I seen this movie before?

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You put down a 2015 December and I raise you a 2018 December......big deal.

Yeah, I was at the 2015 Jets game in the Meadowlands the week before that which they blew in OT. They had nothing for an offensive attack.

You are once again strawmanning a bad analogy.

THAT team wasn't going to get players back. They had to rely on The Ghost of Steven Jackson and Edelman playing on a broken foot. And even then, they still lost a 2 point game on a failed conversion in the AFCCG.

The team playing tomorrow without Sanu and Dorsett will get them back for the stretch run.

Completely different situations........oh, and the Defense...........

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[PatsFanInVa]

We were 10-0 in 2015, had a ton of injuries, were similarly complacent relying on our 10-0 start, and lost 4 of last 6 and finished 12-4 and lost HFA and that HFA ended up being decisive.

So please spare the sarcasm. Things can unravel fast if we’re complacent.

Way ahead of you, chief.

I hired an owner, a coach, and 53 players (through said owner and coach) to do the day-to-day management, so that I, as a fan, can risk complacency. It just so happens that my frontline football responsibilities are minimal.

Now I'm thinking that your example of 2015 is meant to foretell doom, because there were previous seasons in which we had a good start but didn't win the SB?

I gotta tell you, that's some sweet argumentatin' you're doin' there. I'd like to point out, however, that there were also seasons when we were super hungry, anything but complacent, and even had the advantage of going into week 11 virtually winless, yet did not win the SB.

So I'm going to be generous and call that a push.

Let me remove the gentle ribbing -- you may process it as scathing sarcasm if you choose -- and bottom line it for you.

It doesn't matter how worried you get about the New England Patriots, or how much you just trust the coach/owner/players to take care of business. How much you worry about the receiver position, or any position, will not influence the outcome of the game.

 

[tmajr3]

I am dreading the offense playing bad and losing this game. We’ll go through another week of AB rumors

 

[Biffins]

Way ahead of you, chief.

I hired an owner, a coach, and 53 players (through said owner and coach) to do the day-to-day management, so that I, as a fan, can risk complacency. It just so happens that my frontline football responsibilities are minimal.

Now I'm thinking that your example of 2015 is meant to foretell doom, because there were previous seasons in which we had a good start but didn't win the SB?

I gotta tell you, that's some sweet argumentatin' you're doin' there. I'd like to point out, however, that there were also seasons when we were super hungry, anything but complacent, and even had the advantage of going into week 11 virtually winless, yet did not win the SB.

So I'm going to be generous and call that a push.

Let me remove the gentle ribbing -- you may process it as scathing sarcasm if you choose -- and bottom line it for you.

It doesn't matter how worried you get about the New England Patriots, or how much you just trust the coach/owner/players to take care of business. How much you worry about the receiver position, or any position, will not influence the outcome of the game.

You’re right. How much I worry about the receiver position won’t alter the game. How much you chastise me for worrying about the receiver position won’t alter the game. How much we or others post on this forum won’t alter the game. How much we visit this forum won’t alter the game. And whether I follow the Pats at all won’t alter the game. Wait, what was your point again?

Since when are we trying to alter the game. Who is under any delusion that anything we post here has any influence. We’re just giving our opinions. And you come to this forum since presumably you like reading others’ opinions and engaging with them.

 

[Kdo5]

I am dreading the offense playing bad and losing this game. We’ll go through another week of AB rumors

Until this offense functions at a reasonably high level we’ll be calling for AB’s return. For some reason the organization is too prideful to bring back the piece that will round out a Super Bowl favorite.

Who gives a fat flying **** what anyone thinks? In the end all anyone will remember is Super Bowl #7.

 

[shmessy]

Until this offense functions at a reasonably high level we’ll be calling for AB’s return. For some reason the organization is too prideful to bring back the piece that will round out a Super Bowl favorite.

Who gives a fat flying **** what anyone thinks? In the end all anyone will remember is Super Bowl #7.

What is this "prideful" are you talking about????

He was cut 2 weeks BEFORE he tweeted about Kraft.

The Patriots aren't staying away from him because of the tweet about Kraft.

They are staying away because he has no impulse control and has pulled a Jimmy Piersall on 3 franchises within 9 months.

The Pats don't want to stick their finger in that electric socket again. It was a relatively harmless experiment in September, but the danger to the team is exponentially larger in December +.

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[PatsFanInVa]

You’re right. How much I worry about the receiver position won’t alter the game. How much you chastise me for worrying about the receiver position won’t alter the game. How much we or others post on this forum won’t alter the game. How much we visit this forum won’t alter the game. And whether I follow the Pats at all won’t alter the game. Wait, what was your point again?

From you: "Things can unravel fast if we're complacent."

Yes.

Things can unravel fast if we are, if we're not, if we come to this forum, if we don't, if we watch, if we don't watch, and so on and so on and so on.

Our complacency is not important.

Since when are we trying to alter the game. Who is under any delusion that anything we post here has any influence. We’re just giving our opinions. And you come to this forum since presumably you like reading others’ opinions and engaging with them.

Since you began concerning yourself with the effect of our complacency on "things unraveling."

Now, I assume "things unraveling" is connected to your previous statements about football seasons, and you weren't waxing Yeatesean... "Things fall apart, the center cannot hold, " and all that. You have to admit, your admonishment that things unravel fast if we're complacent is silly, if "we" means people here chatting about the team.

If you mean that the Patriots get complacent about building the team when the record is too good...? Okay, what Shmessy said.

It is okay not to be on the edge of our seats about wide receiver hires. Clearly this year hasn't been the Pats' best at the receiver position (or the tight end position.)

That doesn't mean AB is the answer, distractions and all. It doesn't mean that you and me running around with our hair on fire will be helpful. It doesn't mean that buying and playing everybody who hits the market is the right move.

I also don't think they've been complacent at 1PP during any season in this era, frankly, which is why the Pats have gone to 10 SBs since 01 and won 6 of them.

My only real point here is that we - folks on this board - can't make things not unravel by being bent out of shape about receivers. We also dont have the inside info we think we have, and those who do have it, don't seem to want AB, no matter how much he tweets, grams, or whatevah. Imunnowhy.

 

[Biffins]

From you: "Things can unravel fast if we're complacent."

Yes.

Things can unravel fast if we are, if we're not, if we come to this forum, if we don't, if we watch, if we don't watch, and so on and so on and so on.

Our complacency is not important.



Since you began concerning yourself with the effect of our complacency on "things unraveling."

Now, I assume "things unraveling" is connected to your previous statements about football seasons, and you weren't waxing Yeatesean... "Things fall apart, the center cannot hold, " and all that. You have to admit, your admonishment that things unravel fast if we're complacent is silly, if "we" means people here chatting about the team.

If you mean that the Patriots get complacent about building the team when the record is too good...? Okay, what Shmessy said.

It is okay not to be on the edge of our seats about wide receiver hires. Clearly this year hasn't been the Pats' best at the receiver position (or the tight end position.)

That doesn't mean AB is the answer, distractions and all. It doesn't mean that you and me running around with our hair on fire will be helpful. It doesn't mean that buying and playing everybody who hits the market is the right move.

I also don't think they've been complacent at 1PP during any season in this era, frankly, which is why the Pats have gone to 10 SBs since 01 and won 6 of them.

My only real point here is that we - folks on this board - can't make things not unravel by being bent out of shape about receivers. We also dont have the inside info we think we have, and those who do have it, don't seem to want AB, no matter how much he tweets, grams, or whatevah. Imunnowhy.

Clearly I am referring to the Pats organisation. I am not sure how anyone can read it that way. Come on man. I am not talking about the posters on this forum being complacent. I am not advocating us picketing outside the Pats office or bombard someone with emails. I am merely stating an opinion that if the Pats organisation gets complacent about the receiver situation, it could be a decision that backfires as it has before.

 

[maust]

I also don't think they've been complacent at 1PP during any season in this era, frankly, which is why the Pats have gone to 10 SBs since 01 and won 6 of them.

I know I have a tendency to kick unpleasant memories to the curb but this has got me a bit alarmed. For the life of me I can only remember 9 SB appearances & 3 losses since '01. Not only can't I recall the opponent we lost that 10th SB to, I don't even recall going to it.

 

[thecore762]

Daily we need AB post or else this team is not making the playoffs

 

[Biffins]

Daily we need AB post or else this team is not making the playoffs

Doing my best

 

[farn]

Dorsett & AB are opposite. Dorsett was a first round pick who’s “underachieved” and AB is a low round pick who’s been exceptional on the field.

I prefer Dorsett. He’s a winner. He wants the team to win. He stepped back w/o one peep when Gordon came onboard and then made key plays when an unreliable Gordon was gone. He was key last week.

AB is a loser. He loses. He is obsessed with himself and has no regard for the team. He can burn. He’s a loser and he can keep piling on stats and losing elsewhere.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

I know I have a tendency to kick unpleasant memories to the curb but this has got me a bit alarmed. For the life of me I can only remember 9 SB appearances & 3 losses since '01. Not only can't I recall the opponent we lost that 10th SB to, I don't even recall going to it.

3 W vs. Rams, Panthers, Eagles, 01-04 seasons, less 02, set back 1 yr. from actual SB date
1 Loss vs. Gintz 2007
1 loss vs. Gintz 2011
1 W vs Seahawks 2014\
1 W vs Falcolns 2016
1 L vs. Iggles 2017
1 W vs. Rams 2018
1 L vs. NJ Jete, 2010, Divisional Round, "Their Super Bowl."

FU man

 

[maust]

FU man

And yet I always speak so highly of you...

 

[PatsFanInVa]

Clearly I am referring to the Pats organisation. I am not sure how anyone can read it that way. Come on man. I am not talking about the posters on this forum being complacent. I am not advocating us picketing outside the Pats office or bombard someone with emails. I am merely stating an opinion that if the Pats organisation gets complacent about the receiver situation, it could be a decision that backfires as it has before.

Ok... anyway, I guess it might be frustrating watching them stick to whatever it is they're sticking to... but they're sticking, so there ya go. I dont think of the team as complacent at the top. We could speculate on what value they're supposed to be upholding, what would blow up and how, how it intersects with the strip mall handy, etc. etc. etc.

Imunno.

Pats don't want him, I'm going to have to trust the reasons. Makes life less interesting but easier. But clearly that's a personal preference.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

And yet I always speak so highly of you...

You got me okay you got me

I became complacent

 

[PatsFanInVa]

.....and over the past 11 months, no one knows how to unravel from teams better than Antonio Brown!

Headcases need not apply.

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That's going a little far when you're talking about wide receivers lol

 

[Deus Irae]

Dorsett & AB are opposite. Dorsett was a first round pick who’s “underachieved” and AB is a low round pick who’s been exceptional on the field.

I prefer Dorsett. He’s a winner. He wants the team to win. He stepped back w/o one peep when Gordon came onboard and then made key plays when an unreliable Gordon was gone. He was key last week.

AB is a loser. He loses. He is obsessed with himself and has no regard for the team. He can burn. He’s a loser and he can keep piling on stats and losing elsewhere.

Dorsett wasn't winning in Indianapolis. He was getting cut in Indianapolis.

 

[maust]

You got me okay you got me

I became complacent

 

[primetime]

Why are we comparing Antonio Brown, one of the ten best wide receivers to ever play the game, to Phillip Dorsett, who's probably not even in the top ten of Patriots receivers in the last decade? I like Dorsett well enough, and Brown isn't walking through that door, but any comparison is outrageous.