JOSH GORDON REINSTATED

[Midship]

This is all so mind-numbingly stupid.

Josh Gordon wins big in one genetic lottery (physical) and loses badly in another (brain chemistry). I suspect he'd rather they were reversed. He's operating in a society that shames mental health troubles and criminalizes self-medication with just about anything not developed by big pharma. His employer is about 30 years behind the science (when they aren't distorting science) and treats a performance-reducing drug similarly to performance-enhancing, body distorting drugs. He needs structure, routine, and the stress reduction of physical activity. But, no, let's cast him out of the tribe where he can get these things instead.

Logged in just to say that I appreciate this mindset and post. I think we're trending (very slowly) in this direction as a society, and it is much needed.

Also pumped to hear anything about Gordon, was starting to get a little worried. Has the potential to be one of the better receivers in the league if all goes well.

 

[Tunescribe]

Under current league policy, Gordon must injure a small child to achieve reinstatement.

 

[italian pat patriot]

This is so good
Now let s hope he will get the "authorisation" sooner then later in order to be ready for week 1

Week 1 regular season...is enough...

Forza Josh we are with you !!!

 

[BUSTAMOVE]

I do not think Hill's non suspension is relevant here

The key question is what is best for Josh? One could reasonably make an argument that putting him back in the pressure cooker that comes with being a starting wide receiver for the Patriots is setting him up to fail his rehab process yet again. He has already fallen off the wagon multiple times after being reinstated.

Is it really the best thing for Josh to be reinstated now. I do not know.
While I would love to see him come back, I worry its putting him in a suboptimal position in terms of his long term recovery.

I also think whats best for Josh. I just think the opposite from you.
Josh’s best chance to truthfully change his ways is to get a feeling of worth from his peer’s, friends and the ecstasy of making plays on the field. Succeeding at it can be the deciding factor of turning his life around. Sitting at home thinking Oh good I’m sitting at home not feeling the stress of having to perform. It may be easier keeping it out of his mind temporarily but it has the possibility that it will haunt him for the rest of my life if he does not finally succeed at doing what he was made to do.

He has demons. I think the biggest way to conquer them is by succeeding in life. Football is that conquering medium for him.

That being said he is definitely in the right environment to finally make the pivot to a healthy life. Brady has already reached out as I’m sure many others have. This team thrives with a winning attitude and hopefully Josh will apply that throughout. I am pulling for him. I believe he is a good kid. Self inflicted pain never towards others. I truthfully have his best interests in mind with this philosophy. Just more with him playing Offense and not Defense with his life. No pun intended

 

[Brandon_Cox]

I have no clue if or when he'll be reinstated but there's a pretty decent chance he'll be allowed to practice with the team while the league figures it out.

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

I wanted him reinstated as much as anybody. Still, considering his LONG history, we will be fortunate if he is reinstated at all.

I'd like what is best for HIM. Very probably, I would think that would involve playing on a supportive team. But I won't complain if this gets delayed even until next year.

 

[PatsWSB47]

The league has a PED policy that's different from its recreational drugs policy, that's different from its personal conduct policy, that's different from its cheating policy. That's not nonsensical. It's quite reasonable. I don't believe that recreational drugs should be of any concern to the NFL. I don't believe that personal conduct outside of official league functions should be of any concern to the NFL. But that's a CBA issue, and it's the fault of the players for allowing it.

And trying to argue for Gordon by bringing up Hill is foolish. It's like trying to argue that sentencing for grand theft is too harsh because some guy was found not guilty of tax evasion.

Sort of. Of course in legal terms its foolish but based on what the league has done in other cases where absolute guilt wasn't proven but they went ahead and penalized a player anyway is what I think people are trying to say about it. Its the cherry picking and assigning arbitrary severity levels and punishments among the various policys that pisses me off

 

[Ring 6]

Hill was in TC on day one for something that occurred much more recent than Gordon’s suspension. Hill did not miss one game or one TC practice.

Hill never missed a game or practice.

Gordon missed the last 3 games of the season and the entire playoffs.

Hill’s non-apology last week made people sick.

Gordon was in institutions and halfway houses for 9 months following all protocols and putting his body through withdrawal.

Think about the difference in that and the relative situations.



If Gordon isn’t in uniform by time they return from Detroit next week there should be hell to pay.

Gordon has been suspended 6 times for violating terms of his contract that he agreed to. Tyreek hill probably did something horrific but it can’t be proven.
You are conspiring apples to space shuttles.

Is hill a dlckhead? Absolutely.
Is Gordon harmless, well meaning and tortured? Probably

Do those 2 things have anything to do with the rules regarding suspensions? No they don’t.

 

[Ring 6]

Sort of. Of course in legal terms its foolish but based on what the league has done in other cases where absolute guilt wasn't proven but they went ahead and penalized a player anyway is what I think people are trying to say about it. Its the cherry picking and assigning arbitrary severity levels and punishments among the various policys that pisses me off

I think the difference, which creates enormous problems, is that in the NFL if the victim speaks to the league abc says the accusations are true, you get suspended, and nothing else matters, and if the victim doesn’t speak to them, or recanted, you go free.

The “lesson” the Nfl is teaching it’s players is make sure you beat the crap out of someone who relies on your paycheck so they won’t cooperate and we don’t have to take it away because we have an excuse that doesn’t expose we don’t really give a **** about the victim.

 

[BTTA]

^
This.
All kidding about the league aside most all of us have seen what substance abuse in combination with mental health issues can do to a life, whether it be a member of your own family, friend, coworker or one of their family members. I sincerely hope Gordon can defeat his demons.

Agree in general. The sad thing is that the only reason his use of weed might be considered "abuse" is because it keeps getting him suspended by his employer. Otherwise, it could be that his life is actually better off with it. We just don't know.

 

[Deus Irae]

Yeah, disagree. Of course there are different issues being addressed but it’s perfectly reasonable to look at the nature of decision making for one (supposed) infraction compared to how another is handled.

No, it's really not, at all You're trying to compare apples to antique metal door handles, and you're whining that the door handles aren't as tasty in a pie.

 

[Deus Irae]

Sort of. Of course in legal terms its foolish but based on what the league has done in other cases where absolute guilt wasn't proven but they went ahead and penalized a player anyway is what I think people are trying to say about it. Its the cherry picking and assigning arbitrary severity levels and punishments among the various policys that pisses me off

What pisses you off is that it's a good player from another team. If it was a player on the Patriots, you'd likely be defending the decision. This is fandom 101 crap being played out.

Man is a rationalizing creature, and this situation is an excellent example of just that.


And, again, as I've noted on many occasions:

• I oppose any testing for non-PED drugs.
• I oppose any NFL discipline for conduct outside the NFL boundaries.
• I think Brady got hosed.
• I think Goodell's a clown.

However, that doesn't magically make it reasonable to cry because one CBA-defined policy is being implemented differently than another CBA-defined policy, when that's what's supposed to happen according to said CBA.

 

[woolster22]

It's relevant in the sense that it illustrates how completely nonsensical the league's approach to discipline. There's no freaking rhyme or reason to any of it, which is what drives people crazy. If they actually laid out how things would be addressed, there would at least be a basis for analysis. The way it is now is just bananas.

That's where Hill comes into play. The league has a PERSONAL CONDUCT policy. His THREE YEAR OLD had "bruises and welts" on his body, child protective services removed the child from the house...but the league decided it wouldn't discipline Hill because they couldn't "prove" he did anything.

Meanwhile, they have the unmitigated gall to punish Tom Brady, the model of all you want an athlete to be and the league's shining freaking star for two decades. Proof? Nope. "More probable than not." "Generally aware."

So it's relevant just as a touchstone of how this league doesn't know what the hell it's doing.

CPS doesn't have to go through a real court to do any of that. Cps/dcf operate under their own kangaroo court (lawyer's words, not mine) where the judge is well aware of the $200k of annual federal funding per removed child. You'd think sending maybe 10% of that amount to struggling families would likely have significant productive results, rather than fueling some of the most corrupt and incompetent institutions in this country. And that's before we look at how broken the foster/adoption system is.

Hill may be a scum bag, but it isnt because CPS says so. They're wrong far more often than theyre right. Driving your toddler home from the methodone clinic isn't a DUI, after all.

If Josh just chewed team doc prescribed oxy all day he wouldnt have had any problems with the league (his body would be failing and he likely wouldnt be able to play any longer, but i digress). Instead he chose a substance that can be grown in your backyard easily, making it impossible to police and tax production/consumption without major cost to the govt. So he's the boogey man.

Great Goodie! Way to show the SC how much you care about player health/safety by literally banning a player for "self medicating" with a more or less harmless naturally occuring plant instead of the institutional favorite of lab created, addictive, destructive pills.

Goodell would gladly accept a check from the Sacklers to build a statue of Kaczur outside the HOF.

Patriot arrested, then aids drug sting - The Boston Globe

 

[hornetfb85]

Found the NFL Exec that is in charge of the Gordon case.....

 

[MrBigglesWorth]

This is all so mind-numbingly stupid.

Josh Gordon wins big in one genetic lottery (physical) and loses badly in another (brain chemistry). I suspect he'd rather they were reversed. He's operating in a society that shames mental health troubles and criminalizes self-medication with just about anything not developed by big pharma. His employer is about 30 years behind the science (when they aren't distorting science) and treats a performance-reducing drug similarly to performance-enhancing, body distorting drugs. He needs structure, routine, and the stress reduction of physical activity. But, no, let's cast him out of the tribe where he can get these things instead.

He had structure and routine last year. Didn't he even have someone assigned to him and look what happened

 

[hornetfb85]

 

[Deus Irae]

Found the NFL Exec that is in charge of the Gordon case.....

This leads to another part of the issue, here.


If Gordon just applied for reinstatement (we haven't been given the date), Why is the NFL getting blamed for being too slow?

 

[Mack Herron]

 

[SBLIII]

question: when Goodell decides that, does he decide at the same time the length of the suspension or no suspension or does that happen on seperate occasions?

 

[luuked]

We should all read between the lines when Bedard or Mike Reiss report anything. Both have legit sources (Reiss with Belichick and Bedard with the Krafts) unlike most of the others out there.

The problem with Bedard is that he has turned into at times very clickbaity who often sells his speculation with the same tone as actual legit info. I mean I understand he has to pay for the bills at BSJ but still..