TNF: Chiefs LOSE LOL

[Koma]

I hope Tyreek Hill and his agent are working to find these fans and have them prosecuted to the full extent of the law:

 

[Ring 6]

Depends on what game the chiefs loose: If they loose against Seattle, KC wins the AFC West and has the tiebreaker over Houston, so #1 Pats (if they win out), #2 KC, #3 Houston.
If the chiefs loose against oakland, LAC wins the AFC West and we have a threeway tie. In this case its going to be #1 Houston, #2 LAC, #3 Pats.

Why? What makes Houston 1 la 2 pats 3?

 

[patsfan7983]

Why? What makes Houston 1 la 2 pats 3?

I dont know. Thats what the ESPN Playoff machine says in this scenario:

• 1st Seed - Houston
  AFC South Champ
  Wins tie break over Los Angeles based on strength of victory. Wins tie break over New England based on best win percentage in common games (minimum of four).
• 2nd Seed - Los Angeles
  AFC West Champ (Wins tie break over Kansas City based on best win percentage in common games.)
  Wins tie break over New England based on best win percentage in common games.

So I guess New Englands win over Houston tie breaker doesnt count, as there was no game between Pats-Chargers and Texans-Chargers?

 

[qbno12]

I dont know. Thats what the ESPN Playoff machine says in this scenario:

• 1st Seed - Houston
  AFC South Champ
  Wins tie break over Los Angeles based on strength of victory. Wins tie break over New England based on best win percentage in common games (minimum of four).
• 2nd Seed - Los Angeles
  AFC West Champ (Wins tie break over Kansas City based on best win percentage in common games.)
  Wins tie break over New England based on best win percentage in common games.

So I guess New Englands win over Houston tie breaker doesnt count, as there was no game between Pats-Chargers and Texans-Chargers?

Don't head-to-head matchups come first to determine the seeding ? How does Houston get #1 seed based on win% in common games? May be I am missing something.

 

[Kontradiction]

I dont know. Thats what the ESPN Playoff machine says in this scenario:

• 1st Seed - Houston
  AFC South Champ
  Wins tie break over Los Angeles based on strength of victory. Wins tie break over New England based on best win percentage in common games (minimum of four).
• 2nd Seed - Los Angeles
  AFC West Champ (Wins tie break over Kansas City based on best win percentage in common games.)
  Wins tie break over New England based on best win percentage in common games.

So I guess New Englands win over Houston tie breaker doesnt count, as there was no game between Pats-Chargers and Texans-Chargers?

If they both win out, I don't think there is any way that Houston could jump New England.

 

[BradyFTW!]

As long as the Pats win out and keep the 2 seed, the Chargers as the 1 seed isn't bad. The prospect of traveling to Carson is way less daunting than traveling to Arrowhead.

 

[goheels22002]

I dont know. Thats what the ESPN Playoff machine says in this scenario:

• 1st Seed - Houston
  AFC South Champ
  Wins tie break over Los Angeles based on strength of victory. Wins tie break over New England based on best win percentage in common games (minimum of four).
• 2nd Seed - Los Angeles
  AFC West Champ (Wins tie break over Kansas City based on best win percentage in common games.)
  Wins tie break over New England based on best win percentage in common games.

So I guess New Englands win over Houston tie breaker doesnt count, as there was no game between Pats-Chargers and Texans-Chargers?

Head-to-head matchups come first in the event of a tie. NFL Tiebreaking Procedures | NFL.com

 

[fourhour]

ESPN Playoff machine: Click bait!

 

[SHOWTIME15]

I hope Tyreek Hill and his agent are working to find these fans and have them prosecuted to the full extent of the law:

This is exactly why I hate going to sporting events. You run into some of the most trashiest people there...

 

[dannydyn]

Here's the thing. While we're so confident in our takes on what this Patriots team is we forget that there is another side to consider. The teams we face are also flawed and they can just as easily stumble in their secure environments. We just watched it for cripes sakes.

I don't disagree, of course on any given Sunday.... but some people here think that the Pats are invincible just because they dominated for nearly 2 decades, it's just ludicrous. You need to be objective and realize that past dominance will not continue forever. I'm not saying it's the end by any means, or it will be a cliff dive, but you can see a clear difference between this year's team and past Pats teams. It's just not the same. It reminds me 2015 sans the injuries.

 

[Wordsmyth]

Oh I love that visual of curb stomping.
Isn’t there a statistic that the Chiefs are running the ball better after losing hunt?

That's only half the picture. KH was deadly as a receiver too. If I'm not mistaken, they've passed more since his release.

 

[patsfan7983]

Head-to-head matchups come first in the event of a tie. NFL Tiebreaking Procedures | NFL.com

I just cite what I am reading on the ESPN click bait machine

In your link there are tie breaker procedures "within a division" and "to break a tie for the wild card team". In the first, head-to-head comes first, but we are not talking about a division here, so this should not be applicable. In the second only head-to-head sweeps come first, thereafter games within the conference and so on. As there was no game between Pats and Chargers (so no sweep), I think its possible the ESPN machine is right.
Again: That **** is very confusing to me.

 

[dannydyn]

I just cite what I am reading on the ESPN click bait machine

In your link there are tie breaker procedures "within a division" and "to break a tie for the wild card team". In the first, head-to-head comes first, but we are not talking about a division here, so this should not be applicable. In the second only head-to-head sweeps come first, thereafter games within the conference and so on. As there was no game between Pats and Chargers (so no sweep), I think its possible the ESPN machine is right.
Again: That **** is very confusing to me.

Most important, and only thing to remember for Pats fans: If the Pats run the table, and both the Chargers lose the the Ravens, and the Chiefs lose to the Seahawks, we get HFA throughout.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

Don't head-to-head matchups come first to determine the seeding ? How does Houston get #1 seed based on win% in common games? May be I am missing something.

In a 3-or-more-way tie what matters is H2H sweep, i.e. did one team beat all the others or did one team lose to all the others. Individual H2H doesn't come into play in a 3-or-more tie.

So if NE, KC, HOU tie, NE gets #1 because NE beat both. But if NE, LAC, HOU tie the H2H sweep tiebreaker is irrelevant and you then move to conference record and then to record in common games.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

Also, the wildcard tiebreakers (despite their name) are used both to break the ties to see who the wildcard teams are and also to determine the seeding of the 4 division winners.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

I just cite what I am reading on the ESPN click bait machine

In your link there are tie breaker procedures "within a division" and "to break a tie for the wild card team". In the first, head-to-head comes first, but we are not talking about a division here, so this should not be applicable. In the second only head-to-head sweeps come first, thereafter games within the conference and so on. As there was no game between Pats and Chargers (so no sweep), I think its possible the ESPN machine is right.
Again: That **** is very confusing to me.

That's right. If theres a three team tie and they didn't all play each other it goes to what you stated.

 

[chris_in_sunnyvale]

Yeah, but the Pats have never won a playoff game in San Diego have they....

Well, Pats aren't winning one there this postseason, that's for sure.

Regards,
Chris

 

[patsfan7983]

What are strength of victory and strength of schedule?


edit: nevermind. googled it

 

[A Defiant Goose]

Basically how good the teams were that you beat and how good the teams were that you've played

Just saw your edit. Hopefully my 3 year old-like explanation is better

 

[goheels22002]

I just cite what I am reading on the ESPN click bait machine

In your link there are tie breaker procedures "within a division" and "to break a tie for the wild card team". In the first, head-to-head comes first, but we are not talking about a division here, so this should not be applicable. In the second only head-to-head sweeps come first, thereafter games within the conference and so on. As there was no game between Pats and Chargers (so no sweep), I think its possible the ESPN machine is right.
Again: That **** is very confusing to me.

No it isn't. The rule reads

1. "Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs)."

The Patriots won the head-to-head matchup with both the Chiefs and the Texans. It is correct that the Chargers could win out and get the #1 seed if the Chiefs lose again. If they wind up tied one is the wild card and one is the division champ and gets the bye.

Right now, the seeding is Chiefs, Patriots, Houston, Pittsburgh, Chargers, Ravens

2018-19 NFL Playoff Picture

Whatever happens, the Patriots control their destiny and get a bye if they win out. Houston cannot jump the Patriots if they both win out, and the AFC North is the 4th seed unless all hell breaks loose, which it may.

I like the idea of the Chiefs getting a wild card and having to play the Ravens in Baltimore. Sayonara, Andy Reid.