Tough division games

[Triumph]

Wrong because those 5 games you listed were not all amongvthrbmast 13.
Had you laid 10 you would have won 7 lost 5 and pushed 1. Laying TEN.
Do you not understand what am average is?


If you think playing a team tough is losing to them 12 out of 13 scoring more than 17 points one time and 10 or less 7 of the 13 while allowing 30 ppg then you do not understand tough.

Here are the points scored by Afce opponents against the patriots in the last 13 meetings.
0 0 3 3 6 10 10 13 13 14 14 17 27
That is the antithesis of tough ( especially while the patriots averaged 30ppg)

I understand you have a perception that these division games were tough. But being an adult involves that when you see your perception ripping to shreds you are grown up enough to acknowledge it.
12-1
17 point margin of victory
13 ppg allowed (that’s about .6 more than the 85 bears allowed as a reference)
30 ppg (that’s 1-3 ppg more than the last 2 patriot Sb champs as a reference)

All you got is “I believe”

Wrong because you purposely stop at 13 games to fit a narrative.

The truth is that when you delve into more data from other seasons it blows your easy division game theory to pieces.

Go back and look at 2015,2014,2013. The majority of the games were close contests where the Pat's were teetering on a 3 - 3 record @ .500. Breaking at 500 is not a sign of domination of a division schedule by any stretch.

This whole thread is foolishness and so is averaging.

 

[maust]

This whole thread is foolishness and so is averaging.

Yes, it is. And yet here you are continuing to feed the beast...

 

[sb1]

No.
Any playoff team has motivation.
Motivation doesn’t win playoff games.

Not by itself but it helps.

 

[Ring 6]

Wrong because you purposely stop at 13 games to fit a narrative.

I stop at 13 because they have won 12/13 since brady returned from suspension. I also showed that they won 80% of all brady games.

The truth is that when you delve into more data from other seasons it blows your easy division game theory to pieces.

80% wins

Go back and look at 2015,2014,2013. The majority of the games were close contests where the Pat's were teetering on a 3 - 3 record @ .500. Breaking at 500 is not a sign of domination of a division schedule by any stretch.

They were never 3-3 against the division. What are you talking about?

This whole thread is foolishness and so is averaging.

Look at the scores. Only once in 13 games did the division opponent score more than 13.

Brady has won 80% of them.
It is sheer dominance.

 

[Ring 6]

Not by itself but it helps.

Not really. Teams aren’t less motivated in the playoffs against a team from a different division.

 

[bobbutts]

Miami (in Miami) is the only one that still seems to give them trouble. Brady is 7-9 with 15 INT's there.

 

[Triumph]

Yes, it is. And yet here you are continuing to feed the beast...

Division games are always tough.

This thread was only started because the Pat's were in a close game with the Jets. Stats can be contorted to look like anything you want.

 

[maust]

. Stats can be contorted to look like anything you want.

In some hands even more so than others

 

[Triumph]

I stop at 13 because they have won 12/13 since brady returned from suspension. I also showed that they won 80% of all brady games.


80% wins


They were never 3-3 against the division. What are you talking about?


Look at the scores. Only once in 13 games did the division opponent score more than 13.

Brady has won 80% of them.
It is sheer dominance.

Comical

2015 NE 4 - 2 vs the AFCE
20 - 13 WIN
30 - 23 WIN
40 - 32 WIN

3 games decided by a total of 22 points. In the average world that would be 7.33 point margin of victory.

2014 NE 4 - 2 vs the AFCE.
17 - 16 WIN
27 - 25 WIN

2 games decided by a total of 3 points. 1.5 point margin of victory

2013 NE 4 - 2 vs the AFCE
13 - 10 WIN
23 - 21 WIN

2 games decided by a total of 5 points. A 2.5 point margin of victory.

NE was teetering on 3 - 3 vs the division in every season.

Through only these 18 games 2 games were 17 point wins
11 were 8 points or less wins or losses.

Heck, Division games are easy.

 

[Caretaker]

I wonder if division rivals have figured out our Off/Def to a greater degree. I guess it's true to a some extent; Jets seem to play a lil better against us, though I don't have the stats to back it up.

 

[Joker]

This is so much like political arguments. Stats are great...for fantasy football purposes. The only real axiom that holds true over the course of the entire history of the NFL is this "Any Given Sunday".. You CAN use stats to extrapolate probable wins or losses and then claim your POV is valid post contest but...as tonight so clearly evinced...every contest is its own entity, has a life of its own...one that transcends any attempt to pigeonhole or corral.

A clear example of this is the year the Pats WON in the Meadowlands big yet LOST in the playoffs to the Jets. The Felger Genius Party Consortium claimed "Rex figured it out!". Well, Rex's figuring got him FIRED a season later. Every team figures out the opponent to the best of their ability every week but everything gets thrown out the window when the ball is snapped and someone gets punched in the mouth. Football is a war game. The team that controls the higher ground, even though outmanned, will usually be victorious. The Spartans did this at the Hot Gates in repeated assaults. Sun Tzu wrote prolifically on the subject 2500 years ago.

What drives this persistent notion that stats are the predicate reason in any win/loss is the sports media. The Felgers of the world need these manufactured narratives to create "sides" that they can pick at any time to buttress THEIR opinions over anyone else's that have the temerity to disagree with their "knower of things -ness. The truth is, as casinos have proved since their inception, you're better off just watching and hoping for the best than getting heated in this continuous loop of erroneous causation.

I used to bet...bigtime. I used to spend most of my free time dissecting and evaluating stats,getting on runs and feeling pretty arrogant about MY picking ability. Then, one Monday Night game way back in the 1990's or late 80's I wagered my bank for the season on a lock. Dallas in 1st place with their team intact versus Cleveland with 22 players on IR , starting a backup QB. This was a game Felger would have gone to great lengths to denigrate anybody who had the temerity to pick Cleveland. The line was 17 or higher, can't remember exactly, and even the bookie jumped at laying some side money on the Boys. The Browns won outright. I quit seriously wagering on the NFL after that. I'd rather play cards or craps.

 

[Ring 6]

Comical

2015 NE 4 - 2 vs the AFCE
20 - 13 WIN
30 - 23 WIN
40 - 32 WIN

3 games decided by a total of 22 points. In the average world that would be 7.33 point margin of victory.

2014 NE 4 - 2 vs the AFCE.
17 - 16 WIN
27 - 25 WIN

2 games decided by a total of 3 points. 1.5 point margin of victory

2013 NE 4 - 2 vs the AFCE
13 - 10 WIN
23 - 21 WIN

2 games decided by a total of 5 points. A 2.5 point margin of victory.

NE was teetering on 3 - 3 vs the division in every season.

Through only these 18 games 2 games were 17 point wins
11 were 8 points or less wins or losses.

Heck, Division games are easy.

You picked the worst possible stretch and we won 2/3. Since we have won 12/13. Before we won 56/69.
You are cherry picking and it doesn’t even support your argument. In any event if games used to be close and now they are easy what are they now?

 

[Ring 6]

Miami (in Miami) is the only one that still seems to give them trouble. Brady is 7-9 with 15 INT's there.

And 73-11 in all other division games.

 

[Kontradiction]

You picked the worst possible stretch and we won 2/3. Since we have won 12/13. Before we won 56/69.
You are cherry picking and it doesn’t even support your argument. In any event if games used to be close and now they are easy what are they now?

Yikes.

 

[Triumph]

You picked the worst possible stretch and we won 2/3. Since we have won 12/13. Before we won 56/69.
You are cherry picking and it doesn’t even support your argument. In any event if games used to be close and now they are easy what are they now?

I only had enough time to go back that far to prove you wrong.

You can add up all 18 scores and create an average to create the illusion that the games were not really that close

You like averages like all F students.

 

[Triumph]

You picked the worst possible stretch and we won 2/3. Since we have won 12/13. Before we won 56/69.
You are cherry picking and it doesn’t even support your argument. In any event if games used to be close and now they are easy what are they now?

The whole purpose of your thread was to try and spin that division games are not difficult after the Pat's just played the Jets in a difficult game.

You need averages to support your fairy tale where all I need is the actual scores. The NFL does not care about average margin of victory.

All I have to do is tell the truth and not manipulate numbers to fit a false narrative as in your case.

Division games are very tough.

 

[Ring 6]

I only had enough time to go back that far to prove you wrong.

You can add up all 18 scores and create an average to create the illusion that the games were not really that close

You like averages like all F students.

Average is short hand. I posted the exact game by game results.
You lose.

 

[TB_Helmet]

The whole purpose of your thread was to try and spin that division games are not difficult after the Pat's just played the Jets in a difficult game.

You need averages to support your fairy tale where all I need is the actual scores. The NFL does not care about average margin of victory.

All I have to do is tell the truth and not manipulate numbers to fit a false narrative as in your case.

Division games are very tough.

You realize this whole God-forsaken argument would be instantly solved if you used median instead of average, right??

 

[Ring 6]

The whole purpose of your thread was to try and spin that division games are not difficult after the Pat's just played the Jets in a difficult game.

The purpose of my thread was to show that the patriots have totally dominated the division.
“Division games are tough games” would indicate you don’t win as often. The patriots win MORE OFTEN.
The idiot response, which you always have, is yeah but they were close games.
That is wrong too as evidenced by the actual scores.
The next idiot response is to say “yeah but they were close until the 4th quarter”. Those numbers also show that is wrong.
The most idiotic response is to pick out 3 years surrounding 15 others where they were 68-12 against the division and saying ONLY going 12-6 those 3 years proves division games have been tough. Blithering idiocy is when you call 12-6 .500 football.

You need averages to support your fairy tale where all I need is the actual scores. The NFL does not care about average margin of victory.

I showed every actual score of this 13 games.
They won 12/13 and won by
38
31
21
21
20
20
19
18
16
14
7
5
Yes 10 of 12 were by 2 TDs or more.
6 of 12 were by 20+

That is even more overwhelming than the average.

All I have to do is tell the truth and not manipulate numbers to fit a false narrative as in your case.

You dint understand the truth. The raw numbers make it blatantly obvious that you are clueless.

Division games are very tough.

The facts say they have not been for the Patriots. If you want to think only winning 80% of the time is tough, you are just proving that you make stupid statements and ignore all the facts that prove you wrong.
Too bad you can’t act like an adult and say wow, I was wrong we really have dominated this division and won at an unprecedented level by unprecedented amounts.
Instead you just make up a new phony argument each post.

 

[Ring 6]

You realize this whole God-forsaken argument would be instantly solved if you used median instead of average, right??

Use the actual results and scores.