Rewatch Thread: NE @ Jacksonville

[luuked]

The more snippets of film I see the more I am convinced that Jacksonville just won most of the battles on Sunday.

That was my feeling as well yesterday when I rewatched it. Like I said before.. felt a bit better about the game and both the offense and defense.

 

[TomPatriot]

He is correct. Bentley is the spy and bites too hard and overcommits to the weakside. You can see him try to reverse direction but it's too late.

He doesn't mention Bentley or claim that there is a spy. Bentley looks too far away to be the spy; frankly, its not really clear what his role was supposed to be.

 

[maineman209]

It looks to me like all the JAX routes cleared out that side of the field.

JMac followed a shallow crosser from left>right to the area of an LB in the flat. Someone near the right side of the LoS (can't see the number) carries a TE (?) back to the middle of the field near the goal line. Gilmore's coverage takes him to the middle of the field with his back turned to Bortles' run.

Someone else races from the right middle over to the other side when he sees Bortles break for it and appears to overrun, but still get a hand on Bortles' ankle.

Feels like a designed Bortles run to me.

 

[PP2]

He doesn't mention Bentley or claim that there is a spy. Bentley looks too far away to be the spy; frankly, its not really clear what his role was supposed to be.

You're correct. My mistake. I went back to look at it again and it looks like he was just responsible for the crossers.

 

[Kontradiction]

That's odd. I guess the team must have just not shown up to play.

Well and like I said, I also was not on the field. The humidity was still pretty brutal down there one would think.

 

[Kontradiction]

As I said before the game, take Gronk out one-on-one and this offense is dead in the water. Only, I expected Smith to be the one doing it and not Gipson. Enter Gordon.

 

[The Brandon Five]

There is no way the plan was for Clayborn to get as deep as he did continually against a scrambling QB.

 

[Love The Drake]

The one play of his that irked me was the lack of situational football on a bortles scramble to pick up a first. I know his responsibility was the wr cutting back to the middle of the field but imo he should’ve have recognized bortles was past the LOS and ran to make the tackle instead. Hoping for an all 22 of this play to see if he was at fault or not.

I felt the same way.

 

[luuked]

I felt the same way.

I understand the frustration when plays like this occur but keep in mind our perspective (TV angle, overhead) vs. what the player in question sees. Things often look like absolute no brainers from above because you have the full view on whats unfolding. What you see while you are trailing behind the man you are supposed to cover in real time on the field is not as clear.

Just to be clear I am not saying you are wrong but just ask people to consider that players dont have the full view as we do and are usually in motion while they have to make a decision.

 

[1960Pats]

Thanks again to everyone involved in this thread.

I feel better after seeing that most of the problems are fixable.

 

[Hyped]

I understand the frustration when plays like this occur but keep in mind our perspective (TV angle, overhead) vs. what the player in question sees. Things often look like absolute no brainers from above because you have the full view on whats unfolding. What you see while you are trailing behind the man you are supposed to cover in real time on the field is not as clear.

Just to be clear I am not saying you are wrong but just ask people to consider that players dont have the full view as we do and are usually in motion while they have to make a decision.

And they are wearing helmets with limited range of vision in a loud stadium.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

 

[Kontradiction]

There is no way the plan was for Clayborn to get as deep as he did continually against a scrambling QB.

Not every play but if a backer was supposed to seal that gap then Clayborn would have been allowed to push upfield as much as he did. Like I said in another thread, though, there's not any way to know for sure without the play call. We'll figure it out if it keeps happening and ends up in the dog house.

 

[Deus Irae]

Bedard:

Defensively, that was one of the worst games I've ever seen them play.

 

[Deus Irae]

Bedard:

McCourty, Chung, Hightower, Van Noy can't cover anyone

 

[Deus Irae]

Bedard:

The good thing is that I can't see them playing that bad if there's a rematch. They were just terrible.

 

[Deus Irae]

Bedard:

There were just all sorts of issues in the middle of the field

 

[The Brandon Five]

Not every play but if a backer was supposed to seal that gap then Clayborn would have been allowed to push upfield as much as he did. Like I said in another thread, though, there's not any way to know for sure without the play call. We'll figure it out if it keeps happening and ends up in the dog house.

I am thinking in particular about this play.

 

[DaBruinz]

Clayborn isn't & has never been effective vs the run. Davis fits the mold of what NE usually looks for at the Rush position. Big, heavy, long & some ability to play inside. Whether I agree or not I can see why they went w him.

A point I made yesterday about the position is that we have to figure out something. A rotation, pairings etc bc it's the strength of the defense & we're not getting anything up the middle. Bortles was able to step up w/out consequence yesterday.

BCG -

Clayborn - 6'2 5/8 with 32 4/8" arms
Davis - 6'3 - 34 4/8" arms

I don't get why you think that Clayborn isn't big, heavy and long but you think that Davis is.