Who would be your preferred top 5 receivers to make the team (from the current roster).

[Clonamery]

You never know what a player's future performance will be.

Edelman's already said he's not 100% NOW.

 

[Froob]

Edelman
Hogan
Britt
Berrios
Patterson

Dorsett plays first four games then gets cut to make room for Edelman.

 

[bigballas]

Since the #4WR and #5WR have averaged a TOTAL of one catch a game, I think that six is totally unnecessary. The only reason that we need 5 is that more than one of the receivers will be coming back from an injury.

fair enough, but i think that factors in recency bias as well. we've dealt with injuries and new players coming in the past 2 years....if you go back to 2015, 2014, etc, 4 and 5 received 3+ targets a game. While not much, it does open up the playbook....particularly with these 5/6 because they all have a bit different skill sets.

but yes I see your point, if we have to sacrifice a skill position that contributes then i understand. i dont like being short handed tho and it seems like injuries creep up and we have to alter game plans

 

[miloofcroton]

I think you guys are sleeping on Patterson. He's going to be the 'stretch the field' guy that we haven't truly had since Moss. Not saying he's of Moss's caliber, but I am saying Patterson is fast and a jump ball threat, whereas Cooks was only fast.

Quick review:



More links:
1. Cordarrelle Patterson making a habit of logging catch-of-the-day
2. “We’re gonna make you the player that you should be.” - Belichick


My rankings:

X - Patterson, Hogan, Decker, Britt
Z - Edelman, Dorsett, Berrios

In the first games, you might see Patterson and Decker starting, with Dorsett in the slot. Then when Edelman comes back, Patterson and Hogan start sharing time at the split end position.

I don't think Britt makes it. From what I saw of him last year, he's slow and over the hill.

I think the final cut comes down to Decker vs Berrios. Perhaps both make it out of camp since Edelman is suspended, and then Berrios goes to practice squad after that. However, if Berrios shows that he can truly hang with the big boys, I'd move him up and be forced to cut Decker or Dorsett. Or just maybe, there are unforeseen things (like another injury at WR), and they need to keep everyone.

 

[Bruins29]

I think you guys are sleeping on Patterson. He's going to be the 'stretch the field' guy that we haven't truly had since Moss. Not saying he's of Moss's caliber, but I am saying Patterson is fast and a jump ball threat, whereas Cooks was only fast.

Quick review:



More links:
1. Cordarrelle Patterson making a habit of logging catch-of-the-day
2. “We’re gonna make you the player that you should be.” - Belichick


My rankings:

X - Patterson, Hogan, Decker, Britt
Z - Edelman, Dorsett, Berrios

In the first games, you might see Patterson and Decker starting, with Dorsett in the slot. Then when Edelman comes back, Patterson and Hogan start sharing time at the split end position.

I don't think Britt makes it. From what I saw of him last year, he's slow and over the hill.

I think the final cut comes down to Decker vs Berrios. Perhaps both make it out of camp since Edelman is suspended, and then Berrios goes to practice squad after that. However, if Berrios shows that he can truly hang with the big boys, I'd move him up and be forced to cut Decker or Dorsett. Or just maybe, there are unforeseen things (like another injury at WR), and they need to keep everyone.

1. Cooks was a big time stretch the field guy so I dont get the CP is the 1st since Moss. I am not sure CP and Moss should ever be in the same sentence in fact.

2. How do you have CP starting over Chris Hogan? That is not right.

3. Britt and Last year is not nearly enough sample size. How could he have known the playbook at all? Recently Britt was the standout WR in passing camp and is rehabbing right now. Lets see if he did indeed get his mojo back from a couple of years ago before we start talking about "last year"

lol

 

[miloofcroton]

1. Cooks was a big time stretch the field guy so I dont get the CP is the 1st since Moss. I am not sure CP and Moss should ever be in the same sentence in fact.

2. How do you have CP starting over Chris Hogan? That is not right.

3. Britt and Last year is not nearly enough sample size. How could he have known the playbook at all? Recently Britt was the standout WR in passing camp and is rehabbing right now. Lets see if he did indeed get his mojo back from a couple of years ago before we start talking about "last year"

lol

Cooks was fast, but you don't need to dedicate as many people in coverage to him because he doesn't win jump balls in the same way that Moss could or even Patterson can. Of course Cooks was stretching the field in one sense, but you have to read all that I wrote and not take it out of context.

Hogan will probably start over Patterson initially, as I've read that Patterson is still getting a handle on the playbook, but I think Patterson offers more at the position once he has that down.

Britt just looked incredibly slow, in every sense. The playbook had nothing to do with it. In fact, I only saw him play on the Browns. How much more rehab is going to help a guy who's entering his 10th season in the league? Maybe he's looked great, but passing camp is passing camp.

 

[supafly]

One of Dorsett/Britt
One of Berrios/McCarron (first 4 games then to PS)

Edelman (suspended)
Hogan
Patterson
Decker

 

[Joker]

you know, at this point in Brady's career I really don't give a shyt what the receiver corps looks like. If they have NFL talent then they'll get open in this offense, and I think we can agree that there's solid NFL talent on this roster. Plus...Gronk.

 

[Adam Seward]

Whoever can pick up the cerebral side of the offense, hopefully also has something dynamic. This could get exciting if Patterson can learn now and later produce but I am much more holding my breath for Edelman, Hogan and Gronk remaining healthy than expecting a pleasant surprise from this group. Sad WR prospectus with MM gone today and DA in MIA.

 

[miloofcroton]

Whoever can pick up the cerebral side of the offense, hopefully also has something dynamic. This could get exciting if Patterson can learn now and later produce but I am much more holding my breath for Edelman, Hogan and Gronk remaining healthy than expecting a pleasant surprise from this group. Sad WR prospectus with MM gone today and DA in MIA.

Meh, Mitchell was always overrated IMO. Apparently he had great intangibles, but I never saw much on the field.

 

[supafly]

Meh, Mitchell was always overrated IMO. Apparently he had great intangibles, but I never saw much on the field.

He had one really good game, where we don’t win if he isn’t on the field. That game and his 6-7 catches occurring during a huge deficit were huge. Otherwise, I agree with you. I don’t really see how he was that different than say, Kenbrell Thompkins, who had similar numbers but certainly wasn’t anything special. With Mitchell, his legend grew after the SB performance.

 

[luuked]

I think you guys are sleeping on Patterson. He's going to be the 'stretch the field' guy that we haven't truly had since Moss. Not saying he's of Moss's caliber, but I am saying Patterson is fast and a jump ball threat, whereas Cooks was only fast.

Quick review:



More links:
1. Cordarrelle Patterson making a habit of logging catch-of-the-day
2. “We’re gonna make you the player that you should be.” - Belichick


My rankings:

X - Patterson, Hogan, Decker, Britt
Z - Edelman, Dorsett, Berrios

In the first games, you might see Patterson and Decker starting, with Dorsett in the slot. Then when Edelman comes back, Patterson and Hogan start sharing time at the split end position.

I don't think Britt makes it. From what I saw of him last year, he's slow and over the hill.

I think the final cut comes down to Decker vs Berrios. Perhaps both make it out of camp since Edelman is suspended, and then Berrios goes to practice squad after that. However, if Berrios shows that he can truly hang with the big boys, I'd move him up and be forced to cut Decker or Dorsett. Or just maybe, there are unforeseen things (like another injury at WR), and they need to keep everyone.

Oh boy.. If what you wrote comes anywhere close to your actual expectations and not just wishful thinking I think you might be in for some big disappointments.

There are so man little things wrong at various parts of your post but what makes me most speechless is that you keep using Moss as a comparison to a player that has had essentially zero success outside gadget and trick plays (or ST) and has bounced around the league with not much interest despite intriguing physical traits. Just consider who you are comparing CP to and think whether this should give you pause.

I mean if he is such an amazing talent why was nobody able to harness that potential so far ?

And please dont respond back with that BB quote that says we will make you the player you should be because that actually never happened and was entirely made up:



CP has a pattern of looking good in practice and camp but then less so in games. You might end up being right and all he needed was the right system, role and an elite QB throwing him the ball but given history I think it is more likely that as most players with his number of years in the league he simply is what he is.

Great athlete, not good football player.

 

[miloofcroton]

Oh boy.. If what you wrote comes anywhere close to your actual expectations and not just wishful thinking I think you might be in for some big disappointments.

There are so man little things wrong at various parts of your post but what makes me most speechless is that you keep using Moss as a comparison to a player that has had essentially zero success outside gadget and trick plays (or ST) and has bounced around the league with not much interest despite intriguing physical traits. Just consider who you are comparing CP to and think whether this should give you pause.

I mean if he is such an amazing talent why was nobody able to harness that potential so far ?

And please dont respond back with that BB quote that says we will make you the player you should be because that actually never happened and was entirely made up:



CP has a pattern of looking good in practice and camp but then less so in games. You might end up being right and all he needed was the right system, role and an elite QB throwing him the ball but given history I think it is more likely that as most players with his number of years in the league he simply is what he is.

Great athlete, not good football player.

I'm comparing type, not caliber. I know Patterson has underperformed per his athleticism, so I guess we'll see.

 

[maineman209]

I'm comparing type, not caliber. I know Patterson has underperformed per his athleticism, so I guess we'll see.

Completely different types, IMHO.

Moss got yardage through speed, and separation through guile, and THEN caught the ball deep downfield.

Patterson gets yardage by catching the ball, and THEN gets "separation" by running over people to break tackles and getting into the clear where he can use his speed to gain distance (he's a terrifyingly violent runner with the ball in his arms).

Moss won through speed and otherwordly technique. Patterson wins through physicality first.

Neither "type" is necessarily more valuable than the other. Relative value depends on the situation.

 

[A Defiant Goose]

Edelman
Hogan
Britt
Berrios
Patterson

Dorsett plays first four games then gets cut to make room for Edelman.

Dorsett dropped over Berrios? Sheeeeeed

 

[Froob]

Dorsett dropped over Berrios? Sheeeeeed

Let’s see this pre season. Lot can change.

 

[Adam Seward]

Meh, Mitchell was always overrated IMO. Apparently he had great intangibles, but I never saw much on the field.

Taking consideration that he was a hobbled rookie who still had production, he was at the very least a known quantity in some regard. We’ve had successful veterans from across the league show up and not make the cut so I wouldn’t discount what he produced with Brady when healthy.

 

[jah]

I think that Edelman talking last week about Berrios’ nickname in a weird way is a good sign. You don’t name a pet you are about to put down.

I think Berrios has had that as his Twitter handle since before he was a Patriot.

 

[brdmaverick]

You are more hopeful about a 6th round pick who has never played a snap in the NFL than a guy who has been a sold 3-4th WR his whole career and is a HOF KO return guy to boot?

Why?

Granted I haven't caught all of the practices, but the ones I have caught Berrios has looked good. Sure, he's small, but he seems to have great hands, and his scrappiness and build remind me of a Danny Woodhead-type guy.....or a young Julian Edelman.

Maybe I'm not seeing it, but I feel like Patterson has trouble creating separation and isn't the force in the passing game that he's hyped up to be. I'm guilty as well, but I think a lot of times we have biased expectations based on a guy's historical draft position.

The natural reaction is to think that because Patterson was a first rounder, he must have good natural talent and the Patriots are the team that will fix any career shortcomings he's had to this point. I'm guilty as well, I thought the same about Jonathan Cooper and Kony Ealy. Patterson greatest skill (returns) is a getting less and less valued with each rule change.

 

[brdmaverick]

you know, at this point in Brady's career I really don't give a shyt what the receiver corps looks like. If they have NFL talent then they'll get open in this offense, and I think we can agree that there's solid NFL talent on this roster. Plus...Gronk.

In general I do share the same line of thinking, but I would hate to see a repeat of 2013. Sure, they ended up going to the AFC Championship Game, but I'd never seen the Patriots offense struggle as much as they did (in the early going of the season).

The second quarter of the season was one of Brady's worst stretches of his career.