Geezer Butler
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Did they play well against the Eagles ? No. It was a horrible matchup for the front 7 we, Philly took advantage of it and the few plays that could have been made were screwed up individually. Brady almost carried us over that and came up one sack short. But now saying this is what happened in every game is simply recency bias.
The reactions are understandable. Most people aren’t very bright. These less intelligent people tend to react with emotion rather than with logic. Hell, normally intelligent people do it as well. I’m certainly not exempt and I’m probably the smartest guy who knows everything on this entire board. That said, when you begin to understand that and add in the fact that this game was lost due primarily to Belichick’s coaching and stubbornness, you can see why these threads are popping up. I’m certainly not a happy camper with him right now, but people need to step the hell back and realize the man is also at least partially responsible for 5 Lombardis as well. He made a mistake. He essentially admitted this game was on him post-game. That doesn’t mean he should be fired like the great, unwashed masses are saying.
Recency bias? The defense has been trash for years. They only show up against crap QBs, 6 good games against trash in our own division every year to pad what would otherwise be embarrassing stats. Then they play like trash for the other ten games, where we all expect the opposing team to screw up and hand us the game in the end, and they usually do.
With Hightower and Gilmore getting premium contracts last offseason, BB the GM had to economize elsewhere. By the end of the season, NE fielded the JAGgiest front 7 in recent history. Castoffs, waiver wire pickups, middle rounders, and UFAs filled many of the starting roles.....and Philly dropped 41 on them.
No #1's drafted in the past 3 years.
Premium talent getting shipped out
The front 7 rebuild will begin in a couple of months. Unfortunately, NE will likely need a #2 CB as well. I don't expect a miracle upgrade in just one offseason.
Brady will again be counted on to outscore the rest of the NFL
And since the Felger/mazz losers who love to bash BB like jealous morons, Brady might want to get this team off to a better start in Super Bowls. I warned of it possibly catching up to us, and it did on Sunday. That was an old school shootout game, and our GOAT QB came to the party a little hungover. Again.
When you really thinking about it, he hasn't played a good, clean 4 QTRS in a Super Bowl since maybe SB 39. He only plays well for one half.
This is a real non-starter for me. They had what they had in terms of talent. It was what it was, in terms of the game. I really think there is a first-half-is-for-analysis thing going on, and this time, it didn't work. So we must survive the misfortune of only going to 3 of the last 4 Super Bowls and only winning 2 of the last 4.
I want him always to be the grandmaster leaving behind all other coaches in every game. This time that didn't happen in the last game. I'm with you.
I think the write-ups will probably point out that they beat us at our own game in many ways, including the patience not to go for the home run and get everything at once (offense and defense).
Hats off to that young guy that beat us, if you measure coach vs. coach. Hats off to a talented, tough, smart Philly team that got the better of us. Hats off to another great SB, one we unfortunately lost... but definitely wasn't a game to turn off.
BB made mistakes tonight. Point granted... and rant understood and appreciated. I think you want to pull back and look at how well and consistently what he does works (and that's despite the league* shenanigans, trying to break up the Pats off the field (confiscated draft picks, suspension games, propaganda campaigns, etc.)
So yeah there were mistakes in there. There were "woulda looked brilliant if it worked" mistakes too. BB the GM has done pretty damn well if you ask me.
We just got outcoached and outplayed. It's not good. You don't want it to happen. Blah blah blah about injuries, that's just straight excuse-making. But I'm thinkin I'm still okay w/BB. And of course, I'm very okay with TFB.
Millennials are funny.
The simple fact is, Brady would have very unlikely ever been given the chance BB afforded him here. The heat BB took for keeping Bledsoe on the bench took guts, and BB kept 4 QBs in 2000, something now GM or coach has ever done in the cap era.
Brady would have failed or never been given a shot with pretty much any another franchise, because at the time, teams were not looking for a Brady skill set in the draft.
NOw, EVERYONE is looking for the next Brady, but BB saw it and gave him a shot. I am not even convinced Brady would have gone in the 7th rd of the draft. He probably would have gone undrafted.
And since the Felger/mazz losers who love to bash BB like jealous morons, Brady might want to get this team off to a better start in Super Bowls. I warned of it possibly catching up to us, and it did on Sunday. That was an old school shootout game, and our GOAT QB came to the party a little hungover. Again.
When you really thinking about it, he hasn't played a good, clean 4 QTRS in a Super Bowl since maybe SB 39. He only plays well for one half.
Bizarre.
But, this is a team sport, and if BB turned to JimmyG next year, I have no doubts he'd have us 11-5 or 12-4 next year, win thedivision and possibly back in the title game.
The league's ratings are down due to arrogant morons as GMs and arrogant moron coaches everywhere.
BB is the greatest GM and Coach who ever lived in any sport, regardless of a flawed gameplan on Sunday.
The people who think Brady walks on water are creepy.
Are you high? This was Brady's best performance in the Super Bowl. He "came to the party a little hungover. Again"? What does that even mean? Did you watch the game? Have you seen Brady's stats from that game?
You know, I thought about blocking you because you reply to EVERY. SINGLE. THREAD. Multiple times...but then I thought I'd be missing out...but you know what? I'm really not.
But, this is a team sport, and if BB turned to JimmyG next year, I have no doubts he'd have us 11-5 or 12-4 next year, win thedivision and possibly back in the title game.
I'm not sure I agree re JG. He would have never gotten the opportunity and experience here that he had in SF this year and judging by his short stint here, 6 quarters of meaningful football that to be honest have been quite overrated, I question whether he would be good enough to take this team to the next level. Again... he would have never seen the light of day as a starter barring Brady injury and that includes 2018.
I am with you on BB however.
Millennials are funny.
To say this game was on Belichick is an understatement. The burning of a timeout in the fourth quarter just for a 3rd and 6 when the Eagles weren't even on midfield was questionable. That's nonsense we would laugh at other coaches for doing if it they were to wish they had it back. Even if they get the first down, it's not the end of the world. Those timeouts are valuable.
The gameplan was atrocious. The bend but don't break nonsense is getting old. It only works by relying on your opponents to commit mistakes such as penalties, errant throws, and turnovers. Aside from Zach Ertz's false start in the opening drive, Philly didn't make a major mistake afterwards. The Pats took nothing away defensively. Bill didn't get his guys ready and prepared to make tackles to force 3rd down stops. He hasn't had a great defensive gameplan in almost 15 years. By the way, that was when he had Ty Law, Teddy, Vrabel, Harrison, McGuiness, and more that he inherited from Parcells.
Hoodie is the best of all time. Don't get me wrong. However, part of that is attributed to how he consistently relies on his opposing coaches being dumber than him. He teaches his players to not lunge for the endzone to avoid what happened with Jessie James in the Steelers game (Tomlin isn't a good enough coach to emphasize such as a thing). So many coaches mismanage timeouts (Andy Reid), get a delay of game after timeouts (Marone in the Bortles play), leave Gronk covered one on one with someone that can't do it (Tomlin), and hurriedly calls for a slant passes in the congested endzone with the game on the line (Pete Carol). The issue becomes what happens when he faces a coach that isn't going to make those type of mistakes with a talented roster? (Coughlin, the Hardbaughs, and now Pederson).
I know Butler had an illness but if he was okay enough to play special teams, he surely could have gotten some snaps on defense. Furthermore, it surely doesn't explain why Rowe was placed on Jeffrey instead of Gilmore in the first quarter. The inexplicable decision cost the pats points early in the game. Once Gilmore went on Jeffrey, he shut the receiver down. Why wasn't he on Jeffrey from the start? Also, did Bill not watch the Vikings' game to see that stopping the slants on these RPOs would lead to deep balls? It killed the Vikings. It didn't kill the Falcons only giving up slants as the Eagles only scored 15 points. No real gameplan was installed. Don't only scapegoat Patricia. Bill is a defensive minded coach so he's there with him making these decisions and he hired him anyway. Good luck Stafford and the Lions.
Once again, Brady played well enough to win. Bill has been relying on opponents screwing up and Brady bailing him out time after time after time (Seahawks and Falcons game). He and the front office have gotten complacent again with this roster. It is devoid of talent in the front seven compared to the teams they've face. The quality drop in the league as it pertains to smart play and the success they pulled out have made them believe everyone else is stupid. However, tonight the Eagles proved otherwise.
You could argue Bill the general manager and the head coach has cost Brady more rings. I am not saying Brady has always been perfect. No one is. But he has played well, especially today, to win. I'm waiting for Bill to have great gameplans. He's been installing simple plans like having a tight end chip on a pass rusher like JJ Watt or double teaming a receiver like Hopkins. Some thing most teams are too stupid to replicate but instead whine about the Patriots winning.
People talk about the system. Brady has had different offensive coordinators that he makes look good because of his ability to read defenses, make accurate throws, sense pass rush, look off linebackers and safeties, not throw to receivers he doesn't trust, lead receivers, and exploit mismatches on the field. I used to get frustrated watching Patriot teams such as the 2011 Patriots put out guys like Russ Ventrone at the secondary but relying on Brady bailing them out. These two Superbowls were won because Brady has gotten even better the last 4 years and due to teams choking. In this game, our opponents surprisingly didn't choke and that's why we lost. I know other guys stepped up and did their job like Bill preaches but they're still getting outplayed and out schemed for stretches.
History repeated itself. This game felt awfully similar to the late fourth quarter of the 2011 Giants Superbowl game. Belichick is a great coach with his attention to detail, mastery of the rule book, his ability to find hard working guys and put them in position to succeed, his teams being discipline, and his in game management. However, we've seen that only works if his roster is very talented and can make plays and or Brady being Brady. Once a coach actually has a clue and faces Bill, the Hoodie isn't always besting them with his simple gameplans. Hopefully, the Pats will learn from this and load up like how they did in 2014 following those previous seasons of the same playoff failures from the same aforementioned reasons.
Lets stop giving Belichick a pass becausw of his ealier success. His defenses have sucked for 10 seasons,
and he gets a pass because he won 5 trophies,
despite the D embarrassing themselves nearly all season.
I don't know if you do this as a schtick or something but please reconsider throwing in this passive aggressive **** into every second of your posts. I can only talk from my own POV but I can't take anything serious that you write afterwards and often just stop reading your posts.
You clearly are taking effort and time to write them so it is sad that this is wasted just to throw out a passive aggressive punch at some people.
I don't know if you do this as a schtick or something but please reconsider throwing in this passive aggressive **** into every second of your posts. I can only talk from my own POV but I can't take anything serious that you write afterwards and often just stop reading your posts.
You clearly are taking effort and time to write them so it is sad that this is wasted just to throw out a passive aggressive punch at some people.
[/QUOTE]Last 10 years defensive rankings for NE:
2008: #8 points, #10 yards, DSRS* 1.6
2009: #5 points, #11 yards, DSRS 4.5
2010: #8 points, #25 yards, DSRS 2.8
2011: #15 points, #31 yards, DSRS -0.1
2012: #9 points, #25 yards, DSRS 0.5
2013: #10 points, #26 yards, DSRS 1.4
2014: #8 points, #13 yards, DSRS 3.5
2015: #10 points, #9 yards, DSRS 1.7
2016: #1 points, #8 yards, DSRS 5.0
2017: #5 points, #29 yards, DSRS 2.6
AVG: #7.9 points, #18.7 yards, DSRS 2.4
*DSRS is pro-football-reference's weighted defensive metric. Average is 0.0.
The Patriots, over the last 10 years, have been an upper-tier scoring defense, a mediocre defense in terms of yardage allowed, and an above-average defense when weighted for opponent, etc. That's not remotely a defense that has "sucked for 10 seasons". It's actually, on the whole, pretty good.
Yes he does. Or at least the benefit of the doubt, being the greatest coach in NFL history and all.
This is another false claim. They embarrassed themselves in the first four weeks (really 3 of the 4 weeks - they were great against New Orleans), and then the rest of the season they were terrific.
First Four Weeks: 32.0 points, 456.8 yards, 24.3 first downs allowed
Last 12 Weeks: 14.0 points, 335.8 yards, 19.0 first downs allowed
You can talk about strength of schedule or whatever, but the fact is, the Patriots kept the other team from scoring, and they DRASTICALLY reduced the other teams' yardage and first downs gained. 14.0 points, 335.8 yards, 19.0 first downs are not numbers of a defense that is "embarrassing themselves". Like, not at all.
Unfortunately, they were pretty awful in the Super Bowl, but I've already addressed a huge reason why in this thread:
The Key Reason for the Super Bowl Offensive Explosion
He’s an idiot.