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Week 17 practice/roster news: MM practicing! TB, Gilly, Rex, Branch not

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It is written right there in the tweet. Reiss and the other guy are thinking Brady assumed that Britt's incut would continue on but he drifted farther up. If he doesnt take those few steps towards sticks depth there is no route to jump for Poyer.

Again I am just taking the press conference, what ex players said and now also what Reiss is speculating about into account here.

The point is not that Britt ****ed it up but that the two of them might have been on a different page about the exact route. Which is not shocking after being here for only so long.

Ok, whatever. The pass still sucked. It happens, even with the GOAT.
 
Gronk missed practice today.
 
Agree 100%. With that said in the playoffs Brady should only throw to Gronk, Cooks, Hogs (health), MM (health), White, DLew, Burk and DA. He should only throw to Allen, Britt and Dorsett when absolutely necessary as they are the last options.

With defenses more or less cheating up on Gronk and Cooks, it seems to me that designing a play or three for Dorsett would be desirable. If defenses are forced to respect his presence more, then they're stretched. Same with Allen an, to some degree, with Britt (although I think defenses may respect him already, based on his prior history in the league.

Saying, "released by the Browns" makes me think you have a bias against him? That organization is a **** show. I have zero confidence in its ability to evaluate talent and learn what makes a player tick.

Bingo!

The decoy route argument is hollow to me. Brady throws to players a) who have a play designed for them in the progression and b) he trusts. I don't think either happens for Dorsett here. For whatever reason, he is not a part of the offense.

On the one hand, some posters seem to be arguing that defenses pay scant attention to Dorsett "because Brady doesn't even look his way". Other posters seem to be arguing that Dorsett "decoys" coverage away from (presumably) Cooks. Obviously, both can't be true on the same play.

We've seen the tape and screen shots of Dorsett being wide open without Brady seeing him (for whatever reason), but it seems highly unlikely to me that it's deliberate on Brady's part - that would be insane. And we've also seen Brady overlook Amendola and Hogan being wide open. It happens.

It seems reasonable to guess that Brady and McD have had some discussions about this subsequent to their little sideline kerfluffle. The solution it seems to me, is to practice some specific plays with Dorsett as an earlier read in the progression. If defenses really aren't paying close attention to Dorsett, he only has to burn a defense once for a long TD to fix that. And we know that Dorsett has already burned at least a couple of defense for long gains between the 20s.

Here is what really concerns me about Britt.

I think Britt has a little of Blount and Dillon in him. If he is in a losing, uncomfortable environment he shuts down, gets distracted and does dumb things. He was erratic in TN. He was erratic in STL/LA (and still had a 1000yd year). He melted down in CLE. To your point he had structure at Rutgers. Its a big unknown if at 29 he can embrace the culture here and allow his ability to be maximized.

Well put.

At the end of the day I believe he is more proven as a WR in the NFL and a more physically-gifted athlete than Dorsett. Plus hes more of a goal line threat (run and catch) than Dorsett.

It may be with only a few weeks to learn the offense is unrealistic to think he can do what Dorsett does not but if we are talking about decoy plays with 0% chance of getting the ball, choosing Britt over Dorsett seems like a better option.

Britt is 5" taller and about 35 lbs heftier than either Cooks or Dorsett (and no doubt has better upper-body strength), so, yeah, he should be a better goal-line/redzone option for catches in heavy traffic.

All three put up really good Combine numbers. However, Britt is now nearly 9 years removed from those numbers while Dorsett posted his not quite three years ago. So, aside from the size difference, I'm not sure I'd agree that there's a huge difference in athletic gifts right now.

Neither Britt nor Dorsett is going to be an effective decoy unless they're targeted more often and established as legitimate regular threats to be covered. Dorsett has already broken off four pretty good chunk plays between the 20s, but Britt probably needs a couple goal-line/redzone targets to establish himself in those situations - and time is running out on that.
 
To be fair to Brady on this one, the guy he went to, Cooks was open too, the reason why it wasn't completed was Brady thought Cooks was gonna sit and threw it to a spot but Cooks kept running and then tried to come back.

Yes all true. The picture was just a response to someone upthread saying that Dorsett cant get open.
 
Brutal cold out today...have fun with that
 
With defenses more or less cheating up on Gronk and Cooks, it seems to me that designing a play or three for Dorsett would be desirable

We have seen just that against Buffalo when all those motions behind Brady throughout the last handful of games finally paid off into what Chatham called a tunnel route on the sideline.

They have been setting up something out of this motion for weeks.
 
Looks like this might be the game Bolden hits a career high in carries.

Bolden's current record is 16/137 and a TD in wk-4 (BUF) of 2012 ( his rookie year). He added 1/1 receiving for 11 yards.

In wk-3 of 2013 v. TBY, Bolden a 100-yard combo day: 3/51 rushing, 5 of 6 receiving for 49 yards.

In wk-11 that season (DEN) he had 13/58 rushing with a TD and again added 1/1 receiving for 11 yards.

By 2014, he'd become primarily a special-teamer/reserve with Ridley, Vereen, Blount and the late-great Jonas Gray ahead of him on the RB depth chart.
 
Brady is the Goat. I don't have any stupid argument in my head about that. I am not criticizing Brady, I am just pointing out facts.

Lets play where is waldo. I mean Dorsett is so open, I think even you may find it hard to find him. This is what Josh was saying to Brady and he got all pissy.
Is something wrong with the insert img on this forum?

I've had an occasional problem with images if I try to cut-and-paste from a source other than my own HDD. Using "Upload a file" with an image I've previously saved to my HDD seems to work consistently, though.

Anyway, you comment seemed to imply that Brady deliberately ignores Dorsett, no matter what. I don't believe that and I don't think that you do either.

On this particular play, it seems to me that there are at least two other guys who are open or about to be open enough for Brady to make a throw at that moment - if he gets the ball out like right-effing-now. I can only guess that Brady saw those two first, started seeing some pressure coming, and chucked it without looking around more.
 
With defenses more or less cheating up on Gronk and Cooks, it seems to me that designing a play or three for Dorsett would be desirable. If defenses are forced to respect his presence more, then they're stretched. Same with Allen an, to some degree, with Britt (although I think defenses may respect him already, based on his prior history in the league.



Bingo!



On the one hand, some posters seem to be arguing that defenses pay scant attention to Dorsett "because Brady doesn't even look his way". Other posters seem to be arguing that Dorsett "decoys" coverage away from (presumably) Cooks. Obviously, both can't be true on the same play.

We've seen the tape and screen shots of Dorsett being wide open without Brady seeing him (for whatever reason), but it seems highly unlikely to me that it's deliberate on Brady's part - that would be insane. And we've also seen Brady overlook Amendola and Hogan being wide open. It happens.

It seems reasonable to guess that Brady and McD have had some discussions about this subsequent to their little sideline kerfluffle. The solution it seems to me, is to practice some specific plays with Dorsett as an earlier read in the progression. If defenses really aren't paying close attention to Dorsett, he only has to burn a defense once for a long TD to fix that. And we know that Dorsett has already burned at least a couple of defense for long gains between the 20s.



Well put.



Britt is 5" taller and about 35 lbs heftier than either Cooks or Dorsett (and no doubt has better upper-body strength), so, yeah, he should be a better goal-line/redzone option for catches in heavy traffic.

All three put up really good Combine numbers. However, Britt is now nearly 9 years removed from those numbers while Dorsett posted his not quite three years ago. So, aside from the size difference, I'm not sure I'd agree that there's a huge difference in athletic gifts right now.

Neither Britt nor Dorsett is going to be an effective decoy unless they're targeted more often and established as legitimate regular threats to be covered. Dorsett has already broken off four pretty good chunk plays between the 20s, but Britt probably needs a couple goal-line/redzone targets to establish himself in those situations - and time is running out on that.

Just have Dorsett do a Bethel Johnson TD -type play and that'll get him noticed real quick...
 
To be fair to Brady on this one, the guy he went to, Cooks was open too, the reason why it wasn't completed was Brady thought Cooks was gonna sit and threw it to a spot but Cooks kept running and then tried to come back.
but that didn't cause Brady to have a crisis of confidence?
 
Bolden's current record is 16/137 and a TD in wk-4 (BUF) of 2012 ( his rookie year). He added 1/1 receiving for 11 yards.

In wk-3 of 2013 v. TBY, Bolden a 100-yard combo day: 3/51 rushing, 5 of 6 receiving for 49 yards.

In wk-11 that season (DEN) he had 13/58 rushing with a TD and again added 1/1 receiving for 11 yards.

By 2014, he'd become primarily a special-teamer/reserve with Ridley, Vereen, Blount and the late-great Jonas Gray ahead of him on the RB depth chart.
Jonas Gray is dead?
 
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