What is Wrong with Brady? The Debate Continues...

[Ivan]

Wish we had some kind of "Hall of Fame/Infamy" subforum where the mods could move some of the more notorious threads.

I dont care ! I cant stand it.

Agree completely.

I only touched the surface, you should see the sh.t people were saying. What really gets me however is how the same people were saying it in previous seasons and how they have continued with the exact same sh.t game after game season after season after season. That they were dead wrong then, dead wrong every season before then, and each season since then doesn’t deter them in any way as they are still in the GDT’s every week crying and *****ing their asses off, and then they cry and whine when they get called on it. It’s as if Rimjob Borges and Shank Shaugnessy copulated and spawned hundreds of little cripple beaters and ankle biters to troll this forum.

Now that I think of it that is exactly what happened.

 

[luuked]

Agree completely.

I only touched the surface, you should see the sh.t people were saying. What really gets me however is how the same people were saying it in previous seasons and how they have continued with the exact same sh.t game after game season after season after season. That they were dead wrong then, dead wrong every season before then, and each season since then doesn’t deter them in any way as they are still in the GDT’s every week crying and *****ing their asses off, and then they cry and whine when they get called on it. It’s as if Rimjob Borges and Shank Shaugnessy copulated and spawned hundreds of little cripple beaters and ankle biters to troll this forum.

Now that I think of it that is exactly what happened.

That is the thing that upsets me about all of this most. We are at a point where even some of the neutral podcasting people (Ringer, AroundTheNFL ect.) have realized that there is a pattern with the Patriots where early they struggle but the coaching staff figures it out as the game (or season) goes along and they are right there in the end.

Yes, at some point this pattern will break but after more than 15 years you should be able to give the team the benefit of the doubt that things will work out. Especially early on....

 

[RobertWeathers]

That is the thing that upsets me about all of this most. We are at a point where even some of the neutral podcasting people (Ringer, AroundTheNFL ect.) have realized that there is a pattern with the Patriots where early they struggle but the coaching staff figures it out as the game (or season) goes along and they are right there in the end.

Yes, at some point this pattern will break but after more than 15 years you should be able to give the team the benefit of the doubt that things will work out. Especially early on....

Amen. It only took 15 years.

 

[Deus Irae]

Exactly!! The eye test tells you Brady is very inconsistent not only with his accuracy but with his decision making. Guys are open, he's either not seeing them or he's waiting too long to pull the trigger. The same pompom crowd will throw stats at you and tell you how wonderful that mediocre Patriot defense is too.

Even with Edelman having been gone all season, Brady is currently completing 67.5% of his passes, which is the second highest percentage in the league. That is .1% higher than last season, and the second highest completion percentage of his career. Even during the last 4 games, a stretch that includes the Miami stinker, he's completing 64.1% of his passes.

In other words, even during this oh-so-horrible-and-inconsistent 4 game stretch, Tom Brady's completion percentage would be good enough for top 12 in the league, just .1% lower then Roethlisberger. So to claim that Brady's been "very inconsistent not only with his accuracy but with his decision making" is just ridiculously poor analysis.

 

[Bradyking12]

Even with Edelman having been gone all season, Brady is currently completing 67.5% of his passes, which is the second highest percentage in the league. That is .1% higher than last season, and the second highest completion percentage of his career. Even during the last 4 games, a stretch that includes the Miami stinker, he's completing 64.1% of his passes.

In other words, even during this oh-so-horrible-and-inconsistent 4 game stretch, Tom Brady's completion percentage would be good enough for top 12 in the league, just .1% lower then Roethlisberger. So to claim that Brady's been "very inconsistent not only with his accuracy but with his decision making" is just ridiculously poor analysis.

Yea everyone seems to forget how much our offense depends on having a Welker/Edelman type receiver, there's a reason why this team was projected to go 19-0/undefeated this year before the injuries and outshine '07 stats but if Edelman doesn't have a big drop off next season we will witness the record breaking offense in 2018 that we should of had this season even the team said that it would take the whole offense the replace Edelman and we lost 3 games barley this season considering the circumstances thats the scary part

 

[Snake Eyes]

What does that have to do with anything? He hasn't been MVP most years, should we have cut him then? Was he a liability? He's banged up and he's got 1 1/2 [sorry Dola] receivers he's comfortable with.

It has to do with the original question: What IS wrong with Brady? "is" being present tense.

 

[Snake Eyes]

Yes. In an analysis of everyone’s worst games Brady would be the mvp.

It's not just a "bad games" situation, it's about consistently playing poorly over a period of time, which makes the question "what IS wrong with Brady" completely legitimate.

 

[Deus Irae]

It's not just a "bad games" situation, it's about consistently playing poorly over a period of time, which makes the question "what IS wrong with Brady" completely legitimate.

The problem with your assertion is that it's patently incorrect. Brady has not been playing consistently poorly over a period of time.

Unless, of course, by "period of time" you mean something like "for about 8 quarters, as part of 3 different games".

 

[Snake Eyes]

Using that criteria no one would be MVP. Brady has had the best season of anyone in football and that’s the MVP criteria.

I can take plenty of QBs last 4 games and they'd have better performances than Brady.

He hasn't been playing well lately, deal with it.

 

[Deus Irae]

I can take plenty of QBs last 4 games and they'd have better performances than Brady.

He hasn't been playing well lately, deal with it.

You're talking out of your ass. Deal with it.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

It's not just a "bad games" situation, it's about consistently playing poorly over a period of time

Dude wtf are you talking about?

Consistently?

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

I can take plenty of QBs last 4 games and they'd have better performances than Brady.

He hasn't been playing well lately, deal with it.

But what's your point?

Brady has played sub-par by his standards these last few games, ok.

Everyone goes through injuries, bad matchups, different game plans that lead to different stats/outcomes and so on.

 

[Ring 6]

It's not just a "bad games" situation, it's about consistently playing poorly over a period of time, which makes the question "what IS wrong with Brady" completely legitimate.

That wasnt the conversation but Brady has had one bad game surrounded by good ones and so so ones.

 

[patfanken]

Even with Edelman having been gone all season, Brady is currently completing 67.5% of his passes, which is the second highest percentage in the league. That is .1% higher than last season, and the second highest completion percentage of his career. Even during the last 4 games, a stretch that includes the Miami stinker, he's completing 64.1% of his passes.

In other words, even during this oh-so-horrible-and-inconsistent 4 game stretch, Tom Brady's completion percentage would be good enough for top 12 in the league, just .1% lower then Roethlisberger. So to claim that Brady's been "very inconsistent not only with his accuracy but with his decision making" is just ridiculously poor analysis.

The man completed SEVENTY FIVE percent of his passes in the Bills game and all some people want to do is focus on the ONE pass that sucked. In the end he threw 3 bad balls all game.

BTW- By accident I have come to realize that for some unknown reason I have the NFL Network. Well between occasional visits to ESPN, and the Gameday peaks with the Networks, it seems to me that the mediots are making a concerted effort toward an "anyone but Brady" scenario, with new MVP candidates being trotted out every week. The latest being Todd Gurley, who isn't even as good as Lev Bell, but IS having a very good year, but he (imho) doesn't have the same impact as Brady.

In the end this is a very minor irritation. Its on par to the coach of the year award, which is really the most improved/surprising team award. I pretty sure Bill doesn't give a crap about the COY award and more than Brady cares about being the MVP. Nice if it happens, but who cares if you don't win it all.

What's happening is kind of unfair, but the reality of it is that only the fans will be pissed if they steal another MVP award from him. But if they do it, I'd rather see it go to Wentz than Gurley

 

[MainePatsFan26]

Agree completely.

I only touched the surface, you should see the sh.t people were saying. What really gets me however is how the same people were saying it in previous seasons and how they have continued with the exact same sh.t game after game season after season after season. That they were dead wrong then, dead wrong every season before then, and each season since then doesn’t deter them in any way as they are still in the GDT’s every week crying and *****ing their asses off, and then they cry and whine when they get called on it. It’s as if Rimjob Borges and Shank Shaugnessy copulated and spawned hundreds of little cripple beaters and ankle biters to troll this forum.

Now that I think of it that is exactly what happened.

Hey man, I'm just proud that telling it like it is gets considered infamous. I couldn't believe my thread was still near the top of the forum days later and all because people valued my contributions.

 

[MainePatsFan26]

That is the thing that upsets me about all of this most. We are at a point where even some of the neutral podcasting people (Ringer, AroundTheNFL ect.) have realized that there is a pattern with the Patriots where early they struggle but the coaching staff figures it out as the game (or season) goes along and they are right there in the end.

Yes, at some point this pattern will break but after more than 15 years you should be able to give the team the benefit of the doubt that things will work out. Especially early on....

Early on, eh? My post was about Tom throwing picks in week 13-16. I'm not sure that qualifies as early, unless the entire regular season is just prelude.

 

[MainePatsFan26]

It's not just a "bad games" situation, it's about consistently playing poorly over a period of time, which makes the question "what IS wrong with Brady" completely legitimate.

I love Brady overall and think he is the GOAT. My post was regarding the last four weeks, with particular emphasis on this week's game against Buffalo. I got attacked repeatedly for expressing my concerns - but, hey, that goes with the territory of not being a homer. Oh well.

 

[RayClay]

I love Brady overall and think he is the GOAT. My post was regarding the last four weeks, with particular emphasis on this week's game against Buffalo. I got attacked repeatedly for expressing my concerns - but, hey, that goes with the territory of not being a homer. Oh well.

You know, talking to yourself isn't a debate.

 

[MainePatsFan26]

You know, talking to yourself isn't a debate.

When did I claim it was?

 

[PatsFanInVa]

Early on, eh? My post was about Tom throwing picks in week 13-16. I'm not sure that qualifies as early, unless the entire regular season is just prelude.

As a matter of fact, yes, yes it is. It means absolutely squat once the coin is flipped in the first playoff game, except to determine who's playing in that game and the others.

But that's rather off-topic. You're busy defending this week's rehash of "Cliff Theory."

Hey he either gets better than that or he doesn't. If he doesn't, it either leads to the Pats losing or it doesn't. So if the Pats lose, because Brady keeps throwing picks, you win.

Everybody's concerned. You're chicken littling about that 4 games/5 picks stat. You will get outlier of the year award for saying this is the moment to be afraid, be very afraid, unless you don't.

I'm so tired of doomsayers salivating over being the guys to call the top on Brady's stock.

So okay I agree, it is better if he throws no more interceptions ever.

Other than that whatcha got? You're worried? Concerned? What? You're calling it, letting JG go was a terrible move given the inevitable, ironically timed, and super-visible beginning of the end for Brady? Is that the deal? Or you just want to say "FIRST!" ?

It's 4 games w/5 picks. What else is it? Is it an irreversible trend that is only beginning now?

If you're getting the firebrand "I called it!" award of the year, what ya calling, other than "I agree with the guy on the TV, 5 int.s over 4 games is uncharacteristic for Tom Brady yet it happened" ?