Hypothetical: if you could trade winning both Giants SB's for the two most recent ones... would you?

[SHOWTIME15]

Yeah, but Brady could win another 2 or 3 before he's done. Imagine having the perfect season with that resume

imagine the value of my already $8000 dollar tom brady rookie card.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Yes. 19-0 and undoubtedly the greatest team ever. I personally don’t think 19-0 will ever happen and that was our shot. For me this trumps all.

Plus moss would have a ring hey I’m a rand guy! Logan too- it’s insane he’s played that many great years with Brady and B.B. and has no rings.

 

[Joey007]

Not sure brady sitting out, Gronk being lost for the year, Collins getting traded etc was stable.

We went 3-1 in Brady's absence, so there was no crisis while he was gone. Plus I thought the year before when Brady won the appeal was way more of a dramatic event. I think everyone, Brady included, was exhausted about the whole situation at that point.

Bennett made the Gronk loss not so devastating for once. It sucked but it's something we've experienced with Gronk a good 3-4 times now. Nothing new.

I'll give you that Collins was a shocker. Collins was my favorite player on that defense, so that was pretty blindsiding.

It just wasn't like 2014. 2014 was a year that was 10 years of heartbreaking playoff losses in the making. I can't say the same about 2016.

 

[lancerman]

Yeah but 2016 is a game that might go down as the greatest Super Bowl game ever and greatest comeback in sports ever. And while 19-0 might have made that specific team the greatest ever (alot of people think it's in the discussion regardless) 2016 pretty much cemented Brady as the best QB ever because that was mythic **** that nobody else really believed anybody but him could do, and that cemented the dynasty as the greatest dynasty ever. Super Bowl LI is legendary **** that people don't forget. When people talk about historically great Super Bowls there's Super Bowl 3, Super Bowl 42 as much as I hate it, and this. It goes down as a defining moment and where Brady and Belichick did some sort of Herculean task. People will remember that more than they will remember the 1972 Dolphins or their Super Bowl.

 

[Off The Grid]

I only read the thread title first and had to think about it for a couple minutes. I concluded 'no'. Then I opened the thread and read that your stipulations involved enduring the Patriots blowing a 25 point lead and Brady being the one to throw a goal-line pick. I concluded 'hell no' immediately.

Perfect response.

Great Thread, by the way.

* Me, I only had to give it as much time as it took to process the question, and then it was easy: What happened is far better than the reversal.

* But that's a philosophical thing, isn't it? I've evolved beyond thinking in terms of what might be lost, and come to realize that nothing can be lost, because everything...is gravy: The Patriots didn't lose a perfect season in 2007.

They simply feel short of attaining it.

But it was an awesome effort.

One to be proud of.

* But to win that Super Bowl against Seattle as we did?? The best Super Bowl Match Up of all time?? The Revolutionary Patriots Super Power Versus the Revolutionary SeaHawks a year after the SeaHawks had EVISCERATED the disgusting Donkeys, forever tarnishing those chumps?? And to win in the WAY we did???

* And even I lack the hyperbole to encompass the magical, mythical, and majestic magnificence and eternal glory of that Dream Come True over the Falcons.

* No 2 Games are alike.

* Those 2 Burns or these 2 magnificent Dreams???

Easy decision.

 

[Off The Grid]

Anyone who'd trade away the #51 SuperBowl for anything...gave up and stopped watching the Game...And you want to flush away the memory of your having given up... Fess up!! That magnificent comeback was the best of'm all.

 

[Off The Grid]

If we're going the wish route, why not just let me have all 7?

You mean 8, right? We surely got janked out'f 2006, too, no argument there.

 

[RedSleevesPinkStripes]

The answer for me is no. While 19-0 would have been awesome..everything happens for a reason. Sure it used to bug me but the past 2 titles have REALLY taken the sting out of it for me. I like how it is.

 

[Ring 6]

We went 3-1 in Brady's absence, so there was no crisis while he was gone. Plus I thought the year before when Brady won the appeal was way more of a dramatic event. I think everyone, Brady included, was exhausted about the whole situation at that point.

Bennett made the Gronk loss not so devastating for once. It sucked but it's something we've experienced with Gronk a good 3-4 times now. Nothing new.

I'll give you that Collins was a shocker. Collins was my favorite player on that defense, so that was pretty blindsiding.

It just wasn't like 2014. 2014 was a year that was 10 years of heartbreaking playoff losses in the making. I can't say the same about 2016.

In both cases there was adversity, pretty equally and it was overcome.

If your argument is based in ending a drought that wasn’t what I was referring to.

 

[Bradyking12]

an undefeated sason would have ended the argument years ago.

No cause he would be at 4 rings and the "Tied with Montana argument would still be used until 5"

 

[fair catch fryar]

It doesn't matter. At this point, I wouldn't change a thing, unless I had the option to win every Superbowl. All I know is that this is why other team's fans hate us and I love it.

 

[Joey007]

In both cases there was adversity, pretty equally and it was overcome.

If your argument is based in ending a drought that wasn’t what I was referring to.

Ending a drought plays a large part in the dramatic factor.

 

[lancerman]

Yeah, but Brady could win another 2 or 3 before he's done. Imagine having the perfect season with that resume

You're trading greatest team for greatest game and comeback. It's a bit of a wash. Both wouldn't have been forgotten, but in one case we did something that blew the lids off what anybody else had ever done (25 points in the Super Bowl) and would have trancended sports,

No cause he would be at 4 rings and the "Tied with Montana argument would still be used until 5"

Also because the last two were with such different teams he gets a bit of credit that Montana doesn't for not having the same core cast around him for multiple Super Bowl wins.

 

[Pats2000]

You're trading greatest team for greatest game and comeback. It's a bit of a wash. Both wouldn't have been forgotten, but in one case we did something that blew the lids off what anybody else had ever done (25 points in the Super Bowl) and would have trancended sports,

Also because the last two were with such different teams he gets a bit of credit that Montana doesn't for not having the same core cast around him for multiple Super Bowl wins.

I'm trading '14 for '07, I consider '16 to be the greateast comeback. I would have trouble trading the comeback against the Falcons even for '07, that's kind of a wash for me.

 

[lancerman]

I'm trading '14 for '07, I consider '16 to be the greateast comeback. I would have trouble trading the comeback against the Falcons even for '07, that's kind of a wash for me.

I like 14 better. That was really the year where Brady finally separated himself. The Seahawks MURDERED Peyton Manning and the Colts and were on the verge of becoming the first real dynasty since the Patriots in the 2000's and there defense was going to be historic for being the defense that beat the two greatest QB's of the modern era.

Winning that one gave Brady a huge check against any Peyton Manning comparisons forever, it gave him a win against a historically great defense (to compliment a defeat over a historically great offense in the Rams) we held off another dynasty to extend our own, AND Brady got to essentially win a Super Bowl with almost an entirely seperate team than the early 2000's Patriots which gave him a distinction that many people used to put him above Montana (before LI solidified it).

 

[IcyPatriot]

 

[VectorPrime]

I would trade 04 for 07 in a heartbeat. Can we do that?

 

[Ring 6]

I like 14 better. That was really the year where Brady finally separated himself. The Seahawks MURDERED Peyton Manning and the Colts and were on the verge of becoming the first real dynasty since the Patriots in the 2000's and there defense was going to be historic for being the defense that beat the two greatest QB's of the modern era.

Winning that one gave Brady a huge check against any Peyton Manning comparisons forever, it gave him a win against a historically great defense (to compliment a defeat over a historically great offense in the Rams) we held off another dynasty to extend our own, AND Brady got to essentially win a Super Bowl with almost an entirely seperate team than the early 2000's Patriots which gave him a distinction that many people used to put him above Montana (before LI solidified it).

FYI it was an entirely different team. Not a single player other than brady was on the 01 and 14 teams.

 

[lancerman]

FYI it was an entirely different team. Not a single player other than brady was on the 01 and 14 teams.

I know, but I group Wilfork into that early run and he was still there. He wasn't on 01 or 03 though.

 

[mosi]

Don't know if anyone has asked, but do you think if Brady from 2016 was on the 2007 team would the outcome be different? Although the numbers don't completely show it, I think Brady is better now than in 2007. Smarter and with a better ability to avoid rush.