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Wait! You mean there's a chance I could play?

Giselle would rather you not. Safety issues and all, you know. However, if you'd like to start for the Jets, we're all good with that.
 
Even taking the KC game out of the picture and cherry picking numbers over the past month, the 4.22 YPC would still place us 20th amongst rushing defenses.

I'm not sure that I'd blame everything on the 3-2-6 defense and claim that it's "cleaned up," (you're right that it was cleaned up in comparison to week one, but that's a pretty low bar) but it's good to see some recent progress being made. Let's hope it continues.
To be clear those are first down run stats. Are your rankings in 1st or all downs?
That said yes the run d, which was the best in the NFL last year, still needs a lot of work.
 
The strangest thing about that stat is that the other four defenses on that list vary from good to average by DVOA: Chiefs are 11th, Panthers are 10th, Jaguars are 7th and Chargers are 16th. The Pats, meanwhile, are 32nd, and are as far from 31st and 31 is from 20th. We're a DVOA trainwreck.

As damning as that stat seems, YPC allowed on first down doesn't seem to correlate all that strongly with overall defensive effectiveness at this point in the season.

I wonder if you would take away the big busted plays (and resulting touchdowns) on third down how much our DVOA would improve. Just to make clear I am not saying we should just ignore that those happen but I am just curious how effected the DVOA is by things that I consider easier fixable (eg. communicaton) than others (eg. DL run issues).

If we can get close to 16-20 (ie. average) on defense when removing the big plays then I wouldnt get too concerned with all those advanced metrics unless you dont believe the coaching staff can fix the communication issues.

I believe the major problem with DVOA and the other Football Outsiders derived statistics is that they are proprietary and opaque. While you can get a general sense of what they are attempting to measure, it is hard to evaluate how well their metric captures it without being able to evaluate the nuts and bolts of that metric.

I found a Field Gulls blog post that attempts to describe DVOA, yet the final post contained many corrections and comments from football outsiders (FO). I think the most telling statement from FO is the final one:

Just what the heck is DVOA and why should I care?

Also, let's be honest, one of the issues with DVOA is that it is proprietary. I have to calculate it, nobody else has the equations and baselines. It's not the kind of thing that's easy to add up from a box score even if I made all that stuff public. I hope that helps clarify some of the stuff you wrote. Honestly, trying to make this stuff easy to understand is one of the hardest parts of my job. The fact that you didn't quite get everything right, and you're a hardcore FO follower, is just an example of how we still need to do more to make this stuff clear to everyone.

You can read FO's description of the stat here:

FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | Methods To Our Madness

Now, this is not meant to discredit the work that FO is doing here. I believe that they are actually attempting to create a summary statistic for defensive efficiency. I do not have a similar amount of trust in ESPN's QBR statistic. So DVOA might be capturing something, it is just hard to judge actually what it is. Furthermore, I feel like DVOA is not much of a conversation starter, given it's opacity. I prefer non-proprietary football statistics:

NFL Football Stats - NFL Team Opponent Red Zone Scoring Percentage (TD only) on TeamRankings.com

For example, consider opponent red-zone touchdown percentage. The importance of this statistic is obvious. Preventing your opponent from scoring a TD in the red zone is a 4 point play at least, and sometimes a 7. It removes some of the "garbage time" or "game management yards" biases that exist when teams play softer coverages and allow the other team to move the ball slowly. While it might be in your interest allow the team to slowly move down the field while you are ahead, you rarely want to let them get the TD.

Yet the even better part about a statistic like opponent red-zone touchdown percentage is you can immediately consider the context and limitations of that statistic. A team that keeps giving up 21+ yard touchdown plays will not be penalized on this stat. This stat will not provide insight as to a team's ability to force a 3 & out to give their offense a chance to win the game, or a team's ability to prevent them from getting in field goal range at the end of a half. It is a good measure for one facet of defense play, and does not attempt to do more than that.
 
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Ahh, interesting. Your explanation makes considerable sense, although I've never seen it in colloquial use. They're the converse of our team. Our antipodean rivals.

Maybe it is a language barrier thing where one thing has a subtlety different meaning in various languages. Will just try to be more precise from now on to avoid things like that.
 
from Cimini (his film review w no film):
S Jamal Adams had a couple of hiccups in coverage vs. rookie TE David Njoku. This week he gets Rob Gronkowski.

BTW - Gronk plays
 
To be clear those are first down run stats. Are your rankings in 1st or all downs?
That said yes the run d, which was the best in the NFL last year, still needs a lot of work.
Yes, you're right. They are all down stats, not just first down stats like you had. Apologies.
 
Yes, you're right. They are all down stats, not just first down stats like you had. Apologies.
Not certain that makes it better or worse actually but was curious if we were doing apples to apples.
 
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really good pod from Chatham this time:
Week 5: J-E-T-S, Jets, Jets, Jets Preview

got deep into OL concepts and where the Pats OL truly stands, what is and what seems to be wrong etc - from app 23:00

then turns on the jetes . being a former NJY player gets even more into it
really recommend taking an hour while you're ironing or something..
 
really good pod from Chatham this time:
Week 5: J-E-T-S, Jets, Jets, Jets Preview

got deep into OL concepts and where the Pats OL truly stands, what is and what seems to be wrong etc - from app 23:00

then turns on the jetes . being a former NJY player gets even more into it
really recommend taking an hour while you're ironing or something..

Love it. Chathams podcast really is the most insightful one if you want more technical stuff.
 
Love it. Chathams podcast really is the most insightful one if you want more technical stuff.


He does a great job. Sometimes he takes too much time to make a point or gets a bit lost in the woods (of course not everyone can be Lombardi) . this one is shorter, points well made and rounded and tackles #1 topic no one else does here - OL.

All people that wonder or complain about Pats OL this yr should have a listen. He's a bit gentle on Solder (bc something is wrong there) but great point on G-T joint tasks and execution/mishaps..
 
Spread is 10...I see a 31-21 Pats W...Jets getting Pats off of a long week...I like it
 
really good pod from Chatham this time:
Week 5: J-E-T-S, Jets, Jets, Jets Preview

got deep into OL concepts and where the Pats OL truly stands, what is and what seems to be wrong etc - from app 23:00

then turns on the jetes . being a former NJY player gets even more into it
really recommend taking an hour while you're ironing or something..

That was a fantastic podcast.
 
Love it. Chathams podcast really is the most insightful one if you want more technical stuff.
Thanks for the tip, man. I'm going to check it out.
 
(of course not everyone can be Lombardi)
Not sure that I'll be able to listen to all of these every week, but while I'm subscribing to different podcasts, can you refresh my memory on what Lombardi's is called again? Thanks a lot.
 
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