Intersting Bills stat..

[luuked]

I didn't make any those claims. Just pointed out a stat. The team is better without Gilmore and our team is worse with him. Those are the only two claims I made. You do a great job of arguing against strawmen though.

And, no, I did not spend all of last year saying points allowed does not matter. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that I wasn't even here all year last year. You've got the wrong poster. You are clearly very confused.

Yes a very useless stat that has zero value or relevance for anything whatsoever. Giving calorie counts for Oranges or Apples would have been more insightful than that.

This is just lazy.

 

[luuked]

**** take trolling here folks.

The moron troll uses 16 games for '16 and only uses 4 games for '17. The proper way to compare would have been to tally up the Bills first 4 games last year.

Through the first 4 games last year Bills allowed 17.0 ppg

Which is a difference of 3.5 ppg

Try harder next time you f**king troll

Lets not even get started on the Bills playing totally different opponents, different schemes designed by different coaches with different players. The entire ppg comparison is so pointless it is baffling that anyone would come up with the idea to do it.

 

[JMC00]

This is lousy. Very lousy.

Op makes an interesting point, gilmore leaving seems to have improved their d and hurt the pats. It was a,spectacular top of the market signing and so far, a bust. Capital "B" Bust.

What's lousy is you and his **** f**king take. Just complete f**king morons. His point is not at all interesting because he is using 75% less data by comparing 4 games this year to 16 games last year.

It's also absolutely stupid to try to pin it on Gilmore when also gone from the Bills defense from last year is

In parenthesis is the percentage of defensive snaps they played

Corey Graham (98%)
Zach Brown (91%)
Ronald Darby (76%)
Nickell Robey-Coleman (53%)
Leger Douzable (45%)
Corey White (38%)
Aaron Williams (31%)
Kevon Seymour (26.5%)
Corbin Bryant (21%)

Those were just the defensive guys they let go that played 20%+ last year.

But ya go ahead and put it all on Gilmore you f**king morons. Certainly wasn't because a change of coaches, scheme and personnel. NOPE. All down to them getting rid of Gilmore..

 

[archstanton543]

So Gilmore is going to get smarter? That's not how it works. As far a not doing their homework, it's either that, or an unimaginable level of arrogance and he actually thinks he can fix laziness and stupidity.

I swear you could claim that the sun is hot and there would be people on this forum ready to argue with you.

No, but he will understand the system better as the season goes on. And on the other side of the coin, the coaches could start using him strictly as a man guy instead of making him play zone.

I mean, seriously, are you going to take the Bills Mafia's opinion as gospel? Have you met one of their delusional fans?

Your opinions (or Bills fans' opinions) are not fact. The fact that the sun is hot is a fact.

 

[stcjones]

I agree with a lot of what you are saying....to THIS Point....I am hoping that he will catch on to our D and start playing better.....BB knows best and he would not have signed him if he was a lazy, undisciplined, selfish sack of sh!t!!!

In 2016, the Bills gave up 23.6 ppg. This year, at the quarter mark of the season, without Gilmore, the Bills are giving up an average of 13.5 ppg. That's even after facing one of the best offenses in the NFL last week.

Gilmore and wasting a pick in a trade for Allen are two of Bill's worst moves ever. What I don't understand, is that all the issues Gilmore has (incredibly low football IQ, lack of discipline, laziness, etc) and Bills fans complained about are on film. How do you commit that sort of money to a guy and not conduct thorough research on him? Mind blowing. Red Sox like approach to a free agent. This is Adalius Thomas all over again. As good as Bill is at evaluating his own players, he is equally bad at evaluating high priced free agents. Revis being the exception.

 

[RayClay]

I didn't make any those claims. Just pointed out a stat. The team is better without Gilmore and our team is worse with him. Those are the only two claims I made. You do a great job of arguing against strawmen though.

And, no, I did not spend all of last year saying points allowed does not matter. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that I wasn't even here all year last year. You've got the wrong poster. You are clearly very confused.

There's a game Thursday.

 

[RayClay]

In 2016, the Bills gave up 23.6 ppg. This year, at the quarter mark of the season, without Gilmore, the Bills are giving up an average of 13.5 ppg. That's even after facing one of the best offenses in the NFL last week.

Gilmore and wasting a pick in a trade for Allen are two of Bill's worst moves ever. What I don't understand, is that all the issues Gilmore has (incredibly low football IQ, lack of discipline, laziness, etc) and Bills fans complained about are on film. How do you commit that sort of money to a guy and not conduct thorough research on him? Mind blowing. Red Sox like approach to a free agent. This is Adalius Thomas all over again. As good as Bill is at evaluating his own players, he is equally bad at evaluating high priced free agents. Revis being the exception.

What team do you root for? All in on Buffalo?

 

[TBR]

**** take trolling here folks.

The moron troll uses 16 games for '16 and only uses 4 games for '17. The proper way to compare would have been to tally up the Bills first 4 games last year.

Through the first 4 games last year Bills allowed 17.0 ppg

Which is a difference of 3.5 ppg

Try harder next time you f**king troll

Calm the hell down, man.

Anyway, a full sample size for 2016 is there, so you take it. Why diminish it to 4 games when there's 11 more Gillmore appeared in last year? The OP can only use 4 games for the 2017 Pats for obvious reasons.

 

[Joey007]

They are #2 in takeaways/giveaways

I'm just surprised the guys they have are doing so well

 

[Joey007]

I watched the Bills Falcons game. Matty Ice melted all over himself. Two interceptions and a fumble that went back for a TD. His fumble was similar to the Hightower strip in the SB.

Taylor couldn't hit a deep receiver all game except he somehow threw a couple of dimes to Clay. Anyway the Bills Defense is solid but their offense is basically a bunch of runs, screens, misdirections etc. It's effective but it's not high powered or anything.

Could see Buffalo finishing around 9 wins

 

[Jlaff]

I was surprised by the signing, but that was due to my lack of knowledge about Gilmore. I assumed when I saw the figures he had to be good, the Patriot's practically asked Gilmore to marry them with those guaranteed dollars. I also thought it was a small premium to pay over Ryan. At least Gilmore isn't on any kind of pace to hit incentives.

At the end of the day, the last thing you expect when signing a player to that kind of contract is that he will come in and hurt the team.

 

[archstanton543]

I was surprised by the signing, but that was due to my lack of knowledge about Gilmore. I assumed when I saw the figures he had to be good, the Patriot's practically asked Gilmore to marry them with those guaranteed dollars. At least he isn't on any kind of pace to hit incentives.

How so? He tackles well, is in shape and even has an INT. He's played in every game so far. I'd say he's on pace to hit some of his incentives.

Not understanding the system or being out of place on this play or that won't show up on a stat sheet and therefore cannot be incentivized.

 

[Tony2046]

Could see Buffalo finishing around 9 wins

They could. But this is also the part of the season where teams now have game film on each other.

 

[Tony2046]

Calm the hell down, man.

Anyway, a full sample size for 2016 is there, so you take it. Why diminish it to 4 games when there's 11 more Gillmore appeared in last year? The OP can only use 4 games for the 2017 Pats for obvious reasons.

He has already clearly explained why you can't.

 

[JMC00]

Calm the hell down, man.

Anyway, a full sample size for 2016 is there, so you take it. Why diminish it to 4 games when there's 11 more Gillmore appeared in last year? The OP can only use 4 games for the 2017 Pats for obvious reasons.

Nope. Doesn't work like that. Can't use "look at these 4 games vs these 16 games" for the simple fact that this year's bills still have to play 12 games and could end up closer to what they were last year than what they have been so far for 4 games.

Also it completely ignores coaching, scheme and personnel changes. Like that fact that they turned over about 50% of their defensive roster including 5 starters

 

[Ring 6]

I didn't make any those claims. Just pointed out a stat.

No you didn't just point out a stat. You blamed the stat solely on Gilmore and whined about why belichick can't evaluate players as good as bills fans in a message board.

The team is better without Gilmore and our team is worse with him. Those are the only two claims I made. You do a great job of arguing against strawmen though.

I don't think you know what a straw man is.
What I did was point out that you are pointing to one thing and ignoring 73,000 others.

And, no, I did not spend all of last year saying points allowed does not matter. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that I wasn't even here all year last year. You've got the wrong poster. You are clearly very confused.

Not you. It was deroc not dafoe but you might be brothers.

 

[Ring 6]

I can't quite understand how they're doing it with their lack of receiving weapons, and all they lost of defense. Maybe Rex was that bad and held them back?

Rex leaves and defenses improve. Offenses too.

 

[Ring 6]

Personally, I don't think they win the division. I do think they are a wild card threat though. Tyrod could be an elite QB. Coacing is improved.

Lol

 

[TBR]

Nope. Doesn't work like that. Can't use "look at these 4 games vs these 16 games" for the simple fact that this year's bills still have to play 12 games and could end up closer to what they were last year than what they have been so far for 4 games.

Also it completely ignores coaching, scheme and personnel changes. Like that fact that they turned over about 50% of their defensive roster including 5 starters

Indeed there's tons of variables and I'm aware the point OP is making is far from flawless in that regard. But the PPG metric involves averages. He's not pointing to specific games by citing their 2016 PPG.

 

[everlong]

Gilmore is getting a lot of the blame but Butler has over the course of the season been worse. Gilmore between the penalties and a few plays where the confusion was amplified has become the lightning rod. I think this will be a game like Cincinnati last year where they rally and turn the corner, pun not intended until I read it.