Do Patriot fans have less loyalty to Tom Brady than Browns fans did to Bernie Kosar

[XLIX]

Yes, a team like that could possibly be an option, but I'd have an extremely difficult time imagining him in some "I'm going to stick it to the fans and organization in NE" scenario, by choosing to play for a major rival.

That just doesn't sound like Tom Brady to me. At all.

If the Patriots are the ones that cut him, then how is it "sticking it" to the fans and organization if he goes to another team which gives him a great chance of winning another championship?

He won't want to go to a rebuilding team. He would want to go to a good organization with a lot of talent on both sides of the ball that could compete for a championship with the right guy under center.

I hope it never happens but if the Patriots cut him, then he has every right in the world to go wherever he wants and feels is the best fit.

 

[supafly]

If the Patriots are the ones that cut him, then how is it "sticking it" to the fans and organization if he goes to another team which gives him a great chance of winning another championship?

He won't want to go to a rebuilding team. He would want to go to a good organization with a lot of talent on both sides of the ball that could compete for a championship with the right guy under center.

I hope it never happens but if the Patriots cut him, then he has every right in the world to go wherever he wants and feels is the best fit.

Under what scenario do the NEP "cut" Tom freaking Brady?

 

[Ring 6]

Agreed. I've been here a long time. Stick with Brady! I don't even care if he has a bad year sometime in the future. In fact, a bad year is probably what it will take for him to face father time and hang them up. I don't think Brady will ever play for another team. If he did, I'm not sure I could watch.

That's the whole thing with the better a year to soon garbage.
I would take the one year too late for Brady plus the one year too soon for Brady over any other QB for 2 years. Plus that year too late may not be all that soon.

 

[Ring 6]

Under what scenario do the NEP "cut" Tom freaking Brady?

Many people are saying they will cut brady in order to keep jimmy and make him the starter.

 

[Ring 6]

Yes, a team like that could possibly be an option, but I'd have an extremely difficult time imagining him in some "I'm going to stick it to the fans and organization in NE" scenario, by choosing to play for a major rival.

That just doesn't sound like Tom Brady to me. At all.

Wait. You think if they cut him after all he has done for this franchise , to keep jimmy, he won't want revenge?
I see it the opposite. I think how he could knock the patriots out of the playoffs would be a high priority in his choice.
But even if not, the best team he can find would surely be.

He won't pick a team based upon not offending the team that just told him to F off because the unproven backup means more to them.

Of course none of that is ever going to happen because BB isn't an idiot poster in a message board so allnif these whatifs are pointless really.

 

[supafly]

Many people are saying they will cut brady in order to keep jimmy and make him the starter.

So, the suggestion is that he'd suddenly have no trade value and that BB and Brady wouldn't part on relatively good terms?

I'm not buying it, myself. Tom Brady isn't going to be an outright cut here in N.England.

 

[Ring 6]

So, the suggestion is that he'd suddenly have no trade value and that BB and Brady wouldn't part on relatively good terms?

Brady isn't going to accept a trade to a place he doesn't want to go to.
Why would they part on terms if belichick is telling him F off I'd rather keep your backup? Belichick tells the guy who won him 5 rings to get lost and yiuvthink Brady will be ok with that?

I'm not buying it, myself. Tom Brady isn't going to be an outright cut here in N.England.

Of course he isn't because BB isn't an idiot. Brady is going nowhere. But to the people who want to get rid of him to keep jimmy, in their scenario Brady gets released.

 

[XLIX]

Under what scenario do the NEP "cut" Tom freaking Brady?

Under the scenario that many people in here want; i.e. the "Belichick always cuts a guy a year too early rather than a year too late."

Fear not: I, myself, don't see it happening. But I was, for the time being and sake of argument, accepting their hypothetical and discussing the consequences of same.

 

[XLIX]

So, the suggestion is that he'd suddenly have no trade value and that BB and Brady wouldn't part on relatively good terms?

I'm not buying it, myself. Tom Brady isn't going to be an outright cut here in N.England.

I don't buy the notion that they would ever trade him someplace he doesn't want to go. They would have the respect for him and the decency to let him pick his own path.

 

[Joker]

Brady will finish his career HERE, and then take a part ownership in the team, perhaps 10% and remain the gigantic brand he's become over his career here.

 

[supafly]

Brady isn't going to accept a trade to a place he doesn't want to go to.

But this kind of brings us back to my thought that both Belichick and Brady have strong voices in this matter, which is why I responded to the poster that suggested how we'll be seeing him in Denver, of all places.

I don't believe they'll part on bad terms. Brady isn't going to suddenly be screwed over by the organization without having a say in the matter, and I find it doubtful that he'd want to "stick it to NE" under any plausible scenario. If, and it's a huge "if," he's actually traded, I'm sure they'd find a mutual understanding.

Why would a 41-42 year old Brady be angry at Belichick and Kraft if they decide to stick to the same principles throughout his (by then) 20 year career and let him go at the very end in the best interest of the team? How would that be doing him dirty? Why would he want to go to a rival and screw everyone who has supported him his entire career. That makes no sense to me. I'm not buying the revenge angle.

 

[Ring 6]

But this kind of brings us back to my thought that both Belichick and Brady have strong voices in this matter, which is why I responded to the poster that suggested how we'll be seeing him in Denver, of all places.

I don't believe they'll part on bad terms. Brady isn't going to suddenly be screwed over by the organization without having a say in the matter, and I find it doubtful that he'd want to "stick it to NE" under any plausible scenario. If, and it's a huge "if," he's actually traded, I'm sure they'd find a mutual understanding.

Why would a 41-42 year old Brady be angry at Belichick and Kraft if they decide to stick to the same principles throughout his (by then) 20 year career and let him go at the very end in the best interest of the team? How would that be doing him dirty? Why would he want to go to a rival and screw everyone who has supported him his entire career. That makes no sense to me. I'm not buying the revenge angle.

Yeah we are 180 degrees apart on this.
I see no possibility that Tom Brady happily agrees to having his job taken away from him. (Of course I also see no way BB would do it any way).

The principles that have won for the franchise are Have Tom Brady at QB, and doing what is best for the team.

I severely doubt Tom Brady will agree that dumping Tom Brady is what is best for the team and work together with the man who is telling him he is no longer wanted to make the team have a good result from dumping him.
Further I think it is impossible that Brady's view will be that he should go to a bad team and lose so the patriots can win without him.

 

[supafly]

Further I think it is impossible that Brady's view will be that he should go to a bad team and lose so the patriots can win without him.

If it comes down to it, there are probably about 20+ teams in the NFL that wouldn't be considered conference rivals. Hell, there's the entire NFC.

My stance is simple: if the Pats decide to trade Brady in the next couple of years, he'd most likely retire. If you don't believe that, fine, but I'd have a hard time seeing him wanting to screw the fan base, NE area, and organization over by playing for the Denver Broncos.

 

[Tony2046]

If it comes down to it, there are probably about 20+ teams in the NFL that wouldn't be considered conference rivals. Hell, there's the entire NFC.

My stance is simple: if the Pats decide to trade Brady in the next couple of years, he'd most likely retire. If you don't believe that, fine, but I'd have a hard time seeing him wanting to screw the fan base, NE area, and organization over by playing for the Denver Broncos.

How about the Texans?

I'd bet money that Brady would never play for the Broncos, Jets, Ravens etc... but I could see the Texans.

 

[Ring 6]

If it comes down to it, there are probably about 20+ teams in the NFL that wouldn't be considered conference rivals. Hell, there's the entire NFC.

My stance is simple: if the Pats decide to trade Brady in the next couple of years, he'd most likely retire. If you don't believe that, fine, but I'd have a hard time seeing him wanting to screw the fan base, NE area, and organization over by playing for the Denver Broncos.

I'm not sure where you get that he would not be pissed to be fired.
Why would he retire if he still wants to play?
I doubt he would change conferences because he is more familiar with the AFC.
His choice will be based on the best chance to win a SB not what's best for the guy who fired him.

If you got fired tomorrow because they brought in an inexperienced kid abd gave him your job would you walk away happy that they followed their plan and make sure to not go to a competitor so you don't hurt them?

 

[RobertWeathers]

How about the Texans?

I'd bet money that Brady would never play for the Broncos, Jets, Ravens etc... but I could see the Texans.

That would be a logical place.

What also would be logical is wherever JMD lands (providing they need a QB)

 

[IllegalContact]

I'm not sure where you get that he would not be pissed to be fired.
Why would he retire if he still wants to play?
I doubt he would change conferences because he is more familiar with the AFC.
His choice will be based on the best chance to win a SB not what's best for the guy who fired him.

If you got fired tomorrow because they brought in an inexperienced kid abd gave him your job would you walk away happy that they followed their plan and make sure to not go to a competitor so you don't hurt them?

nope......with that kind of money, and that kind of wife and the age of those kids, I'd hang 'em up....especially if I won another superbowl in 2017.....gou out on top with all my health and plenty of time to be more dad than anyone could be......at that point, there would be nothing to prove except that how an old guy can get hurt

in fact, I would go as far as to say with those life circumstances, it would be pretty damned selfish to continue playing

 

[supafly]

nope......with that kind of money, and that kind of wife and the age of those kids, I'd hang 'em up....especially if I won another superbowl in 2017.....gou out on top with all my health and plenty of time to be more dad than anyone could be......at that point, there would be nothing to prove except that how an old guy can get hurt

in fact, I would go as far as to say with those life circumstances, it would be pretty damned selfish to continue playing

Especially under the circumstances. His wife doesn't want him to play. They have enough money for 3-4 generations of wealth. He's already won more than any other player and is considered the greatest of all time.

If NE decided to make a business decision in the best interest of the franchise with a 41-42 yr old QB (in our hypothetical scenario), I don't think Tom Brady is going to destroy his impeccable reputation in this area by playing for one of the conference rivals, and that's if he even decided to keep playing. At any rate, I think he finishes his career here.

 

[PatsDeb]

Brady will finish his career HERE, and then take a part ownership in the team, perhaps 10% and remain the gigantic brand he's become over his career here.

I don't know about the ownership part, but I think the rest of this is true. He has settled down here with his family & got rid of his CA mansion when his oldest kid moved to the east coast with his mother. I can't imagine that he and BB haven't had a conversation along the lines of, TB: "I'll let you know when I'm ready to go. I want to retire and not start over somewhere else."; BB: Ok, I'll let you know when you're ready to go too, and we'll take it from there."

Can't we just highly anticipate and enjoy the upcoming season?

 

[supafly]

I'm not sure where you get that he would not be pissed to be fired.

He's not going to completely ruin his ties with the NE area and destroy his reputation. Just my opinion. Maybe I'm misreading things.

A more important question though: why on earth would Bill Belichick ever consider trading him to a conference rival? No one seems to be able to answer that.