Do Patriot fans have less loyalty to Tom Brady than Browns fans did to Bernie Kosar

[ivanvamp]

It would in theory. Extremely risky though unless you're talking about a established QB who is either great or on the verge of greatness. Which JG is not right now. Much better imo to take that first rounder and draft a younger, cheaper and potentially better QB you can control for longer and use the franchise tag elsewhere on your roster where it is needed.

Maybe. That's why GMs get paid the big bucks, to make decisions like this.

I just mentioned all this because you said they would only be trading for one year of him, and really, it would be three, if they didn't negotiate a new contract.

 

[sb1]

Maybe. That's why GMs get paid the big bucks, to make decisions like this.

I just mentioned all this because you said they would only be trading for one year of him, and really, it would be three, if they didn't negotiate a new contract.

I get that but it still in theory could end up being a high first rounder for just one guaranteed year if JG didn't work out or there was an extremely urgent need elsewhere on the roster. Not a chance I'd want to take if I'm an NFL team. Certainly not the Pats if there were in that situation.

 

[ivanvamp]

I get that but it still in theory could end up being a high first rounder for just one guaranteed year if JG didn't work out or there was an extremely urgent need elsewhere on the roster. Not a chance I'd want to take if I'm an NFL team. Certainly not the Pats if there were in that situation.

I understand. I'd imagine a team would want to negotiate a longer-term deal with JG before dealing for him. Probably they'd negotiate the trade first, then if that's agreed upon in principle, they say we'll do the deal IF we can work out a long term deal with JG. And if not, maybe they don't go through with it.

But things never got to that point, obviously.

 

[sb1]

I understand. I'd imagine a team would want to negotiate a longer-term deal with JG before dealing for him. Probably they'd negotiate the trade first, then if that's agreed upon in principle, they say we'll do the deal IF we can work out a long term deal with JG. And if not, maybe they don't go through with it.

But things never got to that point, obviously.

I wonder if those conversations were happening and maybe that's why we saw a lot of the "smoke" around such a trade. Guess we'll never know.

 

[Ring 6]

A move like that would suggest to me there is some truth to the theory that BB wants to "prove" he can win without Brady. Learning BB had an ego like that would be extremely unfortunate.

There is no reason to believe any of that

 

[ivanvamp]

I wonder if those conversations were happening and maybe that's why we saw a lot of the "smoke" around such a trade. Guess we'll never know.

You're probably right. But maybe we'll know eventually, especially if a trade eventually gets done. Often times if it does happen, there's a story that gets written about how deals get put together. Who knows.

For now...JG and TB are both Patriots until further notice.

 

[PatriotsReign]

Keep Brady for another 2 years. Another JG won't be hard to find...maybe as soon as next year's draft. Or maybe JB makes major progress. People are forgetting about him.

If Brady starts yapping about being paid- and I can't imagine why he would- THEN I expect BB to quickly move on.

It's interesting to discuss as fans, but I'm glad Belichick's comes will make the decision

And I'll be fine with whatever he decides.

Remember all the Bledsoe fans crying when Brady replaced him?

 

[bormio]

A move like that would suggest to me there is some truth to the theory that BB wants to "prove" he can win without Brady. Learning BB had an ego like that would be extremely unfortunate.

Yeah, BB is all about shining the light on himself and taking credit.

 

[Galeb]

Oh Great Thelonious the Erroneous,

Though thee has't mastered grammar thee still struggle'th with reality.

I shall bringeth thee to the riv'r from which thee might not but shouldst drinketh.

It is not Hugh Millen, Tony Eason, Doug Flutie or even Steve Grogan.

Nay I say, Nay!!! Or to keep in harmony with the "leading a horse to water" concept. Neigh I say, Neigh!!!

Rather it is Boston's Mt. Rushmore: Ted Williams, David Ortiz, Larry Bird, Bill Russell, Bobby Orr, Troy Brown and Tom F'ing Brady.

So dear Thelonious, drinketh up the sweet nectar of wisdom I have provided and you too may become enlightened.

Thy art welcometh.

Truly epic. Easily the best post of 2017!

 

[sb1]

Yeah, BB is all about shining the light on himself and taking credit.

Cutting Brady and trying to prove he can win without him? Not sure what else you'd call it.

 

[bormio]

Cutting Brady and trying to prove he can win without him? Not sure what else you'd call it.

The theory is wrong. If BB cut Brady, it would be because he thinks that is the best way to win, not because he wanted to stroke his ego.

 

[IllegalContact]

Oh no quite the contrary. What these so called fans are asking for is to take a SB contender (perhaps coming off 3 of 4 championships) and taking the piece that is most responsible for those championships and throwing it away.
Thereby you throw away the shot at more championships. For what?
Fear that the next unproven guy may not be as good as this unproven guy.

This team should be in the business of championships and should be working to maximize to championships not out of fear that after their backup QBs contract runs out he might go somewhere else and play well.

The dropoff from Brady to JAG is enormous. Hell the dropoff from Brady to manning was enormous in terms of championships.
The dropoff from JAG to "QB to be named later " will be less and may not be a dropoff.

If BB believed that to be the case, then JG would not be here

I think your emotions are running your thoughts

 

[sb1]

The theory is wrong. If BB cut Brady, it would be because he thinks that is the best way to win, not because he wanted to stroke his ego.

I'm talking if he cut Brady in the next year or so when there's not a shred of evidence that it's a move that would improve the team.

I would hope ego had nothing to do with it. That would be really disappointing if it was.

 

[ivanvamp]

If BB believed that to be the case, then JG would not be here

I think your emotions are running your thoughts

A good question to ask is this: if
The goal is to maximize championships while Brady is here, why would the Patriots ever do anything with anything other than the short term in mind? In other words, why wouldn't they always be in GFIN mode?

The fact that they live in both the short term AND the long term is evidence that they are either planning for success beyond Tom Brady, or they think that Brady will be here a long time still.

 

[XLIX]

Only one year under contract, but three years of control, if they chose to use the franchise tag. Garoppolo is under contract for $1.1 million for this year, and let's say they franchised him for two straight seasons at about $22 million each. That means they'd have him for $45 million for three seasons, or $15m per. That's cheap for a franchise QB (which is what they'd think he was if they dealt a first round pick for him). Even if it a little more expensive than that, if they really liked JG, they could have him under control for those three years.

That formula isn't how the Patriots make decisions.

Once this year is over, it's over and 2017's salary will not be a factor in determining future deals. They are not going to say "hey let's franchise Garoppolo for $25 million in 2018 because that's really only $13 million when you think about it."

 

[Ring 6]

Cutting Brady and trying to prove he can win without him? Not sure what else you'd call it.

I'd call it something you made up so whatever reason there is in your mind would have to be the answer since BB doesn't have a reason for something he wouldn't do.

 

[scout]

That's fine. At least you admit to it.

I admit that we disagree?

 

[ivanvamp]

That formula isn't how the Patriots make decisions.

Once this year is over, it's over and 2017's salary will not be a factor in determining future deals. They are not going to say "hey let's franchise Garoppolo for $25 million in 2018 because that's really only $13 million when you think about it."

If you followed the conversation, you'll note that I wasn't talking about this as a Patriots' decision. I was pointing out to another poster who claimed that anyone trading for him would only be trading for one year of JG that in fact, that new team would have him under their control for three years, by using the franchise tag twice, if they so chose.

 

[Tony2046]

I admit that we disagree?

The point it becomes a last word battle.

 

[Koma]

The point it becomes a last word battle.

That's the key to really building your post count.