Incognito suspended indefinitely by Dolphins

[upstater1]

This is what I was talking about earlier. Ignorance is not having enough experience with friendships outside of your own race, which I could bet is your issue. White guys call black guys the "N" word all the time if they're friendly enough with one another. It can be used in three ways...

1. An insult.

2. A term of endearment.

3. A ball busting crack.

If your friendship is tight enough, numbers two and three would be the meaning behind the word. If you're an idiot and don't have any experiences outside of your own race, it would be number one. It's not the black and white issue the media makes it out to be. That word isn't automatically an insult or racist term anymore. What the Dolphins players are saying about Incognito should make this evident to you. Try making some friends outside of your own race and you'll find that your ultra sheltered point of view regaring that *GASP* horrible, terrible word might change as you find that it can be used in more than one way by even a white guy.

He didn't call him an N--

called him a Half-N.

This is different ground. AND, a person who doesn't abide to being called an N at all by a white person will react differently than someone who doesn't care. Incognito's mistake is thinking he can use that word (or, worse, the word "half-N") with any black person on his team.

 

[shmessy]

About the racism here, one BIG thing people are missing is "half-xxxx." That's very different that having even white guys colloquially use the N-word with black friends. It personalizes it.

It's a totally different thing.

Exactly, there is just as much black racism to people of mixed parentage as there is from white people.

That being said, the racism angle, which has been getting most of the media reaction, is not the central part of the story.

 

[Kontradiction]

About the racism here, one BIG thing people are missing is "half-xxxx." That's very different that having even white guys colloquially use the N-word with black friends. It personalizes it.

It's a totally different thing.

Of course it personalizes it. If Incognito was trying to bust a friend's balls, he would have wanted it to be personal. This is really no different than my friends calling me a Mick or an Irish Potato or friends of Italians calling them wops or guineas. You hear that all the time and, if you don't, then I feel bad for you because that means that you probably don't have friends that are close enough with you to bust your balls. The only difference is that the word is applied to black people and, in a lot of sheltered white circles, that word is not PC no matter which way it is used.

 

[Deus Irae]

He didn't call him an N--

called him a Half-N.

This is different ground. AND, a person who doesn't abide to being called an N at all by a white person will react differently than someone who doesn't care. Incognito's mistake is thinking he can use that word (or, worse, the word "half-N") with any black person on his team.

You're not the only one who's made this assertion. The problem with that assertion is that it's just not true.

 

[shmessy]

You suspend if you're about to go into damage control with a story that's about to spin out of control within the first week. I doubt even the Dolphins know the full story at this point. That's probably the reason why Incognito remains on suspension instead of being outright cut. If they had all of the evidence or if what he did was so horrible, he would be cut by now and wouldn't officially be on an NFL team.

That's why the official statement to the press should have read "Suspended indefinitely so that we can further investigate"

Instead it said the reason for the suspension was for Incognito's behavior that was "detrimental to the team'.

The Dolphins execs could be full of crap and 100% wrong - - but they put that out there.

 

[Kontradiction]

He didn't call him an N--

called him a Half-N.

This is different ground. AND, a person who doesn't abide to being called an N at all by a white person will react differently than someone who doesn't care. Incognito's mistake is thinking he can use that word (or, worse, the word "half-N") with any black person on his team.

1. It's not a different ground at all.

2. Incognito has used that word around his team all the time, most of which are African-American.

3. Martin reportedly laughed at that voicemail before, indicating Incognito was busting his balls.

4. Incognito's African-American teammates have vehemently gone to bat for him.

Sorry but you just don't have much of an argument here. I apologize that the word really, really offends you but, in the real world, there are more than one ways to use that word. And Ireland was right as well. If Martin thought that he was a victim of a racism bully attack, he should punched Incognito in the mouth. But, as it stands, all of the Dolphins locker room that we've heard from at this point seemed to think they were really good friends. So Incognito might have been thrown off by that.

 

[Deus Irae]

That's why the official statement to the press should have read "Suspended indefinitely so that we can further investigate"

Instead it said the reason for the suspension was for Incognito's behavior that was "detrimental to the team'.

The Dolphins execs could be full of crap and 100% wrong - - but they put that out there.

Could you kindly point out where in the CBA it states that team can "Suspended indefinitely so that we can further investigate"?

 

[upstater1]

Of course it personalizes it. If Incognito was trying to bust a friend's balls, he would have wanted it to be personal. This is really no different than my friends calling me a Mick or an Irish Potato or friends of Italians calling them wops or guineas. You hear that all the time and, if you don't, then I feel bad for you because that means that you probably don't have friends that are close enough with you to bust your balls. The only difference is that the word is applied to black people and, in a lot of sheltered white circles, that word is not PC no matter which way it is used.

I really do have close friends. But yeah we're over this stuff. I'm 45. We have better things to do.

 

[upstater1]

4. Incognito's African-American teammates have vehemently gone to bat for him.

If you're talking about what Salguero said (because that's the only point I've heard from) then that is some major league racism right there. In fact, that's the ugliest stuff to come out of this entire mess.

 

[Deus Irae]

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[upstater1]

You're not the only one who's made this assertion. The problem with that assertion is that it's just not true.

That's what I read in the reports. What did he call him then?

 

[Kontradiction]

If you're talking about what Salguero said (because that's the only point I've heard from) then that is some major league racism right there. In fact, that's the ugliest stuff to come out of this entire mess.

I'm talking about what Pouncey, Starks, Wallace, and Ricky Williams have all said regarding this. If you want to add in other players, you can go with Hartline, Tannehill, the source that left the Dolphins this offseason that called him an honorary black guy, and Clabo.

 

[Deus Irae]

That's what I read in the reports. What did he call him then?

What he's reported to have called him is what you said. The failing lies in your analysis.

 

[upstater1]

I'm talking about what Pouncey, Starks, Wallace, and Ricky Williams have all said regarding this. If you want to add in other players, you can go with Hartline, Tannehill, the source that left the Dolphins this offseason that called him an honorary black guy, and Clabo.

Haven't heard those other guys--have a hard time believing Pouncey given what Incognito's father said. Starks has been around a long time, he's more believable. Wallace got their like last week and is hardly an authority on leadership. But I was just responding to what Salguero is saying on ESPN. If Salguero is right, the black players backing Incognito are totally out of line, and they are espousing an ugly form of bigotry.

 

[upstater1]

What he's reported to have called him is what you said. The failing lies in your analysis.

You do what you always do.

You make claims with absolutely nothing said to support them. What is wrong with the analysis?

AND, word of advice: when you bold something in a post, that's internet etiquette to highlight exactly what you are referring to. You bolded the quote. Then below you said it was untrue.

This is why it is nearly impossible to have any sort of discourse with you. You move goalposts constantly and no one knows what you're going on about half the time.

 

[Kontradiction]

Haven't heard those other guys--have a hard time believing Pouncey given what Incognito's father said.

Pouncey's was after the report of his father on FinHeaven.

Wallace got their like last week and is hardly an authority on leadership.

Use of the word leadership seems like a red herring in this case. Wallace has been with the team the whole season and is perfectly qualified to speak about Incognito one way or another.

But I was just responding to what Salguero is saying on ESPN. If Salguero is right, the black players backing Incognito are totally out of line, and they are espousing an ugly form of bigotry.

No, they're not.

 

[Ring 6]

That's why the official statement to the press should have read "Suspended indefinitely so that we can further investigate"

Instead it said the reason for the suspension was for Incognito's behavior that was "detrimental to the team'.

The Dolphins execs could be full of crap and 100% wrong - - but they put that out there.

Having a recording of an employee calling someone the N word broadcast throughout the media is certainly detrimental to the team.
There is no magic jump that because those words were used it implies any more than that went into the decision.

 

[upstater1]

No, they're not.

The black players then said some really ugly things, like Incognito is more black than Martin. Based on what? Seriously, you're about to defend that racist horse****? You're one of the best posters on here. I always enjoy your posts. But please don't defend that crap. Come on. The guy isn't black because he doesn't talk like them? REALLLY??????

 

[Ring 6]

Exactly, there is just as much black racism to people of mixed parentage as there is from white people.

That just isnt true.

That being said, the racism angle, which has been getting most of the media reaction, is not the central part of the story.

What do you consider the central part of the story?

 

[Kontradiction]

The black players then said some really ugly things, like Incognito is more black than Martin. Based on what? Seriously, you're about to defend that racist horse****? You're one of the best posters on here. I always enjoy your posts. But please don't defend that crap. Come on. The guy isn't black because he doesn't talk like them? REALLLY??????

It's pretty apparent that you didn't understand the meaning behind what they said, then. But I do appreciate the compliment.