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Precisely the points I have raised to cricket sounds from folks defending Kraft's and the 32's majority support keeping Goodell.
WHY???
What are the business reasons?
What personal initiatives and actions has he taken to raise revenue?
What personal initiatives and actions has he taken to improve the brand?
Why would the 32 even for a moment consider the outrageous contract demands of a poor performer?
Something major is amiss.
 

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Precisely the points I have raised to cricket sounds from folks defending Kraft's and the 32's majority support keeping Goodell.
WHY???
What are the business reasons?
What personal initiatives and actions has he taken to raise revenue?
What personal initiatives and actions has he taken to improve the brand?
Why would the 32 even for a moment consider the outrageous contract demands of a poor performer?
Something major is amiss.
I think they are giving him major credit for killing the NFLPA in the last cba.

He has also significantly raised the bar for ownership having the players under their thumb by escalating on and off field fines, punishments and suspensions.

I’m sure what the owners love best about the brady and Elliot cases is that it proved to the players where the real
power lies.
 

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I’m sure what the owners love best about the brady and Elliot cases is that it proved to the players where the real power lies.

I think you're probably right, but this is going to come back and bite them big-time in 2020, or whenever the current CBA expires. I expect the players to be -way- more engaged and ready to fight for every little detail in the next deal after seeing the results of compromise this time around.
 

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I think you're probably right, but this is going to come back and bite them big-time in 2020, or whenever the current CBA expires. I expect the players to be -way- more engaged and ready to fight for every little detail in the next deal after seeing the results of compromise this time around.
Hello, that’s exactly what the owners want.
Goodell has huge value to them because he has created all these things that he has screwed up to create unhappiness within the rank and file. So when they fight for those (which the owners only care about bevause it keeps them down and produces exactly what will happen) at the expense of MONEY.

Every issue Goodell creates that the NFLPA will fight in the next CBA makes them more money in the deal.

He is literally creating things to give in in order to get what they really want in return.
His incompetence helps the owners.
 

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Kraft had to intercede to get the CBA signed by the NFLPA. It's like someone having to bail out a CEO who can't get a fundamental to the corporation's very existence contract done. I never saw this needed to be done in my business experience. Why then credit the inept CEO?

They are crediting him with uniting the ownership with a solid and consistent front. Remember in 2006 how certain small market owners were upset at that deal and some actually voted against it (well, the Raiders always did on principle under Al, but the Bengals also did). So they don't care that Goodell upset the union and Kraft needed to intercede; they care that he got owners to toe the line which led to a hosing of the union.

Not saying I agree, just stating their logic (as per the ESPN article a few weeks back).
 

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The pressure is ramping up on Goodell. There must be a few owners that still read the Journal & this won't go over well. Amoung other things, the article says that any public company would have fired Goodell for poor performance years ago & characterizes his contract demands as "practically an extortion".

He is dealing with 32 idiots. Why wouldn't he take them to the woodshed? The owners must be something else in their chosen vocation and businees, but football team owners in a league that the owners supposedly call the shots with an employee working for them? All I can think of is the German politicians giving Hitler the right to be a dictator. What's the first thing he did? Abolish the politicians! Sounds familiar.
 

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I think you're probably right, but this is going to come back and bite them big-time in 2020, or whenever the current CBA expires. I expect the players to be -way- more engaged and ready to fight for every little detail in the next deal after seeing the results of compromise this time around.
That only matters if they're willing to give up paychecks. The Owners won't start negotiating anything important until they have locked the players out. This time, the players will have a bit more leverage than before because of the bad publicity and declining viewership, but the owners will still assume that they will give in after a few missed game checks.
 

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That only matters if they're willing to give up paychecks. The Owners won't start negotiating anything important until they have locked the players out. This time, the players will have a bit more leverage than before because of the bad publicity and declining viewership, but the owners will still assume that they will give in after a few missed game checks.

But this is another area where Goodell's incompetence causes a needless problem. By allowing the anthem situation to blow up the way it did, and caving to the players, Goodell has shown the players that they can beat the owners, and he's helped light the fuse on "activism" in a way that could lead to the players staying more united in the face of a strike/lockout.
 

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What the NFL Teaches Corporate America

The pressure is ramping up on Goodell. There must be a few owners that still read the Journal & this won't go over well. Amoung other things, the article says that any public company would have fired Goodell for poor performance years ago & characterizes his contract demands as "practically an extortion".
Oh, save me the Wall Street Journal's self-aggrandizing and self-righteous pronouncements.

Corporations across the country are led by men and women who played their Board and Public politics to the max to get and keep their jobs...or maybe you haven't been following the fraud that the Chairmanship of Jeff Immelt at GE has turned out to be? Company after company is managed by politicians who learned how not to rock the boat and how to position their "performance" for gullible and/or lazy analysts.

And before you tell me how well the S&P 500 or Dow has performed, study the Policies of the Fed that have driven up the National Debt "off the books," kept interest rates low and, as a result, artifically propped up their shares for the past eight years...once the Fed gets formally and permanently out of the business of printing money that can neither be borrowed nor spent, interest rates begin to rise and share prices begin to decline.

Yes, I do understand that the above is more highly nuanced than I am presenting it to be and yes I could write several pages on this, but it is fundamentally sound.

Goodell got the small market owners in line. Kraft conned the Union. The CBA passed with everyone but Jerruh behind it and Paragraph 46 remained in the CBA. Using the line that W made (in)famous after Katrina, the owners basically think, "You're doing a heck of a job Roger."
 
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But this is another area where Goodell's incompetence causes a needless problem. By allowing the anthem situation to blow up the way it did, and caving to the players, Goodell has shown the players that they can beat the owners, and he's helped light the fuse on "activism" in a way that could lead to the players staying more united in the face of a strike/lockout.
That's a reasonable hypothesis about an as yet unknown future, so no argument from me. But, it will definitely cost the players paychecks. On your hypothesis, they might be willing to give up more than we might predict. "From your lips, to God's ears"...if He turns out to be a God of righteous wrath in this regard, your Screen-name will be prophetic.
 

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But this is another area where Goodell's incompetence causes a needless problem. By allowing the anthem situation to blow up the way it did, and caving to the players, Goodell has shown the players that they can beat the owners, and he's helped light the fuse on "activism" in a way that could lead to the players staying more united in the face of a strike/lockout.
Taking a knee is one thing. Losing paychecks is something else. And time and again, this union has caved when it came to missing paychecks.
 

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Hello, that’s exactly what the owners want.
Goodell has huge value to them because he has created all these things that he has screwed up to create unhappiness within the rank and file. So when they fight for those (which the owners only care about bevause it keeps them down and produces exactly what will happen) at the expense of MONEY.

Every issue Goodell creates that the NFLPA will fight in the next CBA makes them more money in the deal.

He is literally creating things to give in in order to get what they really want in return.
His incompetence helps the owners.
You are giving Goody way too much credit for foresight and planning.

There is no way he has been plotting a "rope a dope" all these years.
 

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You are giving Goody way too much credit for foresight and planning.

There is no way he has been plotting a "rope a dope" all these years.
I’m talking about the result. It doesn’t matter if he intended it or not. As he was doing the owners gained these advantages so why in the world would they want it to stop.
 

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Your assumption is the players will sacrefice article 46 for revenue sharing. I'm not sure about that
The players aren’t getting article 46. The owners aren’t getting rid of revenue sharing.
The players will come to the table wanting reform in punishment, suspensions, the arbitration and judge, jury, executioner process, and of course safety issues and the owners will come to the table with the players getting a lesser cut.
The owners will bend on the other issues and the players will bend on money.
In other words goodell hasn’t improved the league but he has created issues ( mostly by his incompetence) that the players will want addressed allowing the owners to trade those concessions for financial concessions.
 

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The players aren’t getting article 46. The owners aren’t getting rid of revenue sharing.
The players will come to the table wanting reform in punishment, suspensions, the arbitration and judge, jury, executioner process, and of course safety issues and the owners will come to the table with the players getting a lesser cut.
The owners will bend on the other issues and the players will bend on money.
In other words goodell hasn’t improved the league but he has created issues ( mostly by his incompetence) that the players will want addressed allowing the owners to trade those concessions for financial concessions.
I don't see the players bending on money. Not one bit
 
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