The Official "Everything OTA" Thread

[Brady6]

You like to pull up data. Go pull up the data of all the players that BB has cut in year one, without making the first 'official' 53 man roster, after giving that player a signing bonus of $3 million or more.

I do not really care if it happened before or not, my point still holds true the best players make the team, to be honest I meant Amendola would be cut if Boyce and Thompkins continued to perform well, but I included LaFell for the sake of humor because I knew it would be funny when posters just defended Amendola.

It was in fact funny, it reminded me of when everyone was calling Mark Cuban a racist for what he said about a black man in a hood and completely ignored that he said something about a skinhead white man in the same breath.

 

[Deus Irae]

I do not really care if it happened before or not, my point still holds true the best players make the team, to be honest I meant Amendola would be cut if Boyce and Thompkins continued to perform well, but I included LaFell for the sake of humor because I knew it would be funny when posters just defended Amendola.

Your point only holds if your point holds, and it doesn't hold. As we know from the team keeping stiffs at the bottom of the pile while cutting better players, it's not just about keeping the best players.

It was in fact funny, it reminded me of when everyone was calling Mark Cuban a racist for what he said about a black man in a hood and completely ignored that he said something about a skinhead white man in the same breath.

I'm not calling you anything. I'm asking you to do a little research, since it seems to be up your alley.

 

[Brady6]

Your point only holds if your point holds, and it doesn't hold. As we know from the team keeping stiffs at the bottom of the pile while cutting better players, it's not just about keeping the best players.

I'm not calling you anything. I'm asking you to do a little research, since it seems to be up your alley.

I think that they keep all 7 of the receivers –

Edelman
Dobson
LaFell
Amendola
Boyce
Thompkins
Slater

All I said was that it would become interesting if Boyce and Thompkins continued to play well, and if Gallon shined. I do feel it would be interesting, do I think LaFell will be cut, no I think if any of the veteran WRs were to be released it would be Danny Amendola. I just did not want to straight up say that because then his Tebow like following will berate me with their nonsense, and I really just want to talk about the WRs as a whole and not spend the rest of the night reading owed to Danny posts that will be immediately rated as “winners” by Joker.

 

[Deus Irae]

I think that they keep all 7 of the receivers –

Edelman
Dobson
LaFell
Amendola
Boyce
Thompkins
Slater

All I said was that it would become interesting if Boyce and Thompkins continued to play well, and if Gallon shined. I do feel it would be interesting, do I think LaFell will be cut, no I think if any of the veteran WRs were to be released it would be Danny Amendola. I just did not want to straight up say that because then his Tebow like following will berate me with their nonsense, and I really just want to talk about the WRs as a whole and not spend the rest of the night reading owed to Danny posts that will be immediately rated as “winners” by Joker.

I think that the team could keep all their 'top' receivers, and I've been noting that. I think that having 3 QBs makes that a bit more difficult, but still not impossible. However, I don't think that Amendola would be the first to go if the team were to make cuts. That's a bridge that gets crossed next year, if Amendola doesn't pan out this season, IMO, unless there's a real mid-season issue. Contracts don't mean everything, but cutting Amendola loose would cost the Patriots an additional $2.25m on the cap.

Financially, cutting LaFell loose would make more sense than cutting Amendola loose.

 

[Bruins29]

I Danny Amendola. I just did not want to straight up say that because then his Tebow like following will berate me with their nonsense, and I really just want to talk about the WRs as a whole and not spend the rest of the night reading owed to Danny posts that will be immediately rated as “winners” by Joker.

Who is this Tebow like following you speak of and more importantly what are their combine numbers?

 

[supafly]

You never really got it and you still don't but that is fine.

What most of us said, was there was no way BB was going to trade Mallett before the draft for anything less that a 2 or a high 3, figuring it would force him to rely upon a rookie who he has never had in camp before, or to bring in a free agent.

Now that the draft is over and we have another quarter back in camp, I would assume the asking price may drop if JG does well and BB can rely upon him, getting something for Mallett, as well as opening up a spot on the roster for another player.

Of course if other teams lose their qb's, or if other rookies struggle, it may actually serve to increase Mallett's value.

Is it me who never got it, or maybe you who never got it, moosekill? This "Mallett for a high round draft pick" talk has been happening for at least 2-3 yrs now, pretty much since the day he was drafted actually.

I never saw Mallett's trade value approaching anything better than a 4th rounder. Why does that mean that "I don't get it?" I would actually think it's quite the contrary, to be honest. There's no tape, other better candidates, the fact that he's in the last year of his deal which makes for some uncertainty for a new contract amount, and let's face it....he didn't exactly stand out in a positive way here.

How do you have a clear cut answer for this to suggest that "I still don't get, and I never did?" Please elaborate. I will patiently await your explanation of why this situation was any different than any of the many other Patriot players that homers saw as bringing in a high draft pick, yet didn't. To suggest that it had anything to do with this draft etc is silly. People have been banging this drum for at least the past 2 yrs.

 

[50-yard-line]

I think that they keep all 7 of the receivers –

Edelman
Dobson
LaFell
Amendola
Boyce
Thompkins
Slater

All I said was that it would become interesting if Boyce and Thompkins continued to play well, and if Gallon shined. I do feel it would be interesting, do I think LaFell will be cut, no I think if any of the veteran WRs were to be released it would be Danny Amendola. I just did not want to straight up say that because then his Tebow like following will berate me with their nonsense, and I really just want to talk about the WRs as a whole and not spend the rest of the night reading owed to Danny posts that will be immediately rated as “winners” by Joker.

So what's your take on the current depth chart for the 6 receivers (leave Slater as a special-teamer).

Right no EVERYTHING considered, 1-through-6. Not by specific roles (Z, slot, etc.), but just 1-6?

I've got:

Edelman
Amendola
Dobson
LaFell
Thompkins
Boyce

with the last two almost interchangeable.

You?

 

[Brady6]

I think that the team could keep all their 'top' receivers, and I've been noting that. I think that having 3 QBs makes that a bit more difficult, but still not impossible. However, I don't think that Amendola would be the first to go if the team were to make cuts. That's a bridge that gets crossed next year, if Amendola doesn't pan out this season, IMO, unless there's a real mid-season issue. Contracts don't mean everything, but cutting Amendola loose would cost the Patriots an additional $2.25m on the cap.

Financially, cutting LaFell loose would make more sense than cutting Amendola loose.

As I said, it is a moot point because I do not think any of them are cut but when you consider the options, Amendola is the veteran at risk the most. The financial gap is not that large between Edelman, Amendola, and LaFell so it comes down to other factors. Edelman and LaFell are younger, and longer term less expensive options, they are also more productive players.

 

[Deus Irae]

As I said, it is a moot point because I do not think any of them are cut but when you consider the options, Amendola is the veteran at risk the most. The financial gap is not that large between Edelman, Amendola, and LaFell so it comes down to other factors. Edelman and LaFell are younger, and longer term less expensive options, they are also more productive players.

You wanting Amendola to be the most at risk is not the same as Amendola being the most at risk.

 

[Brady6]

So what's your take on the current depth chart for the 6 receivers (leave Slater as a special-teamer).

Right no EVERYTHING considered, 1-through-6. Not by specific roles (Z, slot, etc.), but just 1-6?

I've got:

Edelman
Amendola
Dobson
LaFell
Thompkins
Boyce

with the last two almost interchangeable.

You?

I do not think they will start Edelman and Amendola; they only did that due to injuries at times last season so I look at it as 2 groups. This is what I see the offense looking like right now –

RB – Stevan Ridley, Shane Vereen (3rd down RB), James White, Stephen Houston, Roy Finch (Practice Squad)
X-WR – Aaron Dobson, Brandon LaFell, Kenbrell Thompkins, Matthew Slater (Special Teams)
Z-WR – Julian Edelman, Danny Amendola, Josh Boyce, Jeremy Gallon (Practice Squad)
TE – Rob Gronkowski, Michael Hoomanawanui, James Develin (FB/TE)

 

[Bruins29]

Edelman and LaFell are younger, and longer term less expensive options, they are also more productive players.

Last year a hurt Amendola in 12 games had more yards and more receptions than LaFell did in 16 games. LaFell started in all 16 games and Amendola started in only 6.

 

[Brady6]

You wanting Amendola to be the most at risk is not the same as Amendola being the most at risk.

Ok, well you have voiced your opinion on my opinion but failed to provide your own so if you had to cut one of the three veterans – Edelman, Amendola, or LaFell who would it be?

 

[Deus Irae]

Ok, well you have voiced your opinion on my opinion but failed to provide your own so if you had to cut one of the three veterans – Edelman, Amendola, or LaFell who would it be?

There is not a circumstance I can think of where I'd have to cut, specifically, one of those three, so I don't really accept the hypothetical. Furthermore, even if I were going to answer it, I wouldn't pretend to have an even remotely reasonable answer to that question without first seeing them in training camp. There are too many variables at play.

I'll say this, based solely upon last season, and therefore subject to post-season issues we don't know about:

Edelman
Dobson

There's your list of 100% locks.

 

[Brady6]

Last year a hurt Amendola in 12 games had more yards and more receptions than LaFell did in 16 games. LaFell started in all 16 games and Amendola started in only 6.

Amendola – 6 season, 250 receptions, 2359 yards, 9 touchdowns
LaFell – 4 seasons, 167 receptions, 2385 yards, 13 touchdowns

As I said though Edelman and LaFell are also younger and less expensive long term. I mean we can all debate this all night but what it comes down to is if I had to cut one of them I would cut Amendola and keep Edelman and LaFell.

If you disagree that is fine, just let me know whom you would cut?

 

[Brady6]

There is not a circumstance I can think of where I'd have to cut, specifically, one of those three, so I don't really accept the hypothetical. Furthermore, even if I were going to answer it, I wouldn't pretend to have an even remotely reasonable answer to that question without first seeing them in training camp.

Not trying to be a **** because you know I respect what you post in here so do not take this personal but that is a copout and you have to know that. You cannot sit here and shoot down what I am saying and then not have the willingness to offer a counter opinion. How can you disagree with what I said but require so much to make your own choice?

 

[Bruins29]

Well, Amendola clearly has better chemistry with Brady. Amendola is a better player. They are only one year in age difference. Amendola costs a lot more against the cap to cut then LaFell.

 

[Bruins29]

Amendola – 6 season, 250 receptions, 2359 yards, 9 touchdowns
LaFell – 4 seasons, 167 receptions, 2385 yards, 13 touchdowns

As I said though Edelman and LaFell are also younger and less expensive long term. I mean we can all debate this all night but what it comes down to is if I had to cut one of them I would cut Amendola and keep Edelman and LaFell.

If you disagree that is fine, just let me know whom you would cut?

How can someone who is so clearly stat driven say Lafell is a more productive player particularly when you look at all the variables and take into consideration the context of the system they will be playing in THIS year.

 

[Deus Irae]

Not trying to be a **** because you know I respect what you post in here so do not take this personal but that is a copout and you have to know that. You cannot sit here and shoot down what I am saying and then not have the willingness to offer a counter opinion.

Of course I can. Your position is like saying that I can't discredit a theory unless I have an alternate theory of my own. That's patently untrue. In this case, you're making claims based upon nothing substantial, and you're doing it even before the underwear portion of the offseason is finished, and while Amendola is being spotlighted as being in sync with Brady.

How can you disagree with what I said but require so much to make your own choice?

Wisdom/reason/rational approach


Pick any one of the above

 

[Brady6]

How can someone who is so clearly stat driven say Lafell is a more productive player particularly when you look at all the variables and take into consideration the context of the system they will be playing in THIS year.

Are you going to answer the question or just continue to take issue with my decision without offering your own? If you had to cut one of the veteran receiver – Edelman, Amendola, or LaFell who would it be?

It is a simple question, do not tell me we need more information, the players all have at least 4 years of NFL experience so you can make a determination right now. So, either do it or stop knocking my opinion because at least I have the fortitude to have one.

 

[Joker]

anybody have any idea what an "owed" to Danny" post is and where I can read one?