The Biggest Reason We Are Starting A Rebuild

[sb1]

Wynn is very good when healthy.

 

[sb1]

Brady hid all the mistakes including drafting Drew Bledsoe.

Does anyone actually believe that if Bledsoe had been the QB for all of 2001 that the Pats would have won a Super Bowl? Cmon, Man.

Drafting Drew Bledsoe was a “mistake”? Lol. You think Mirer was a better idea?

They wouldn’t have made it to the Super Bowl with Bledsoe playing the season.

But could Bledsoe have won the game itself and done better than Brady’s 16-27 145 yards and not even 100 yards passing until 2 minutes left in that game? Sure why not?

 

[Triumph]

Drafting Drew Bledsoe was a “mistake”? Lol. You think Mirer was a better idea?

They wouldn’t have made it to the Super Bowl with Bledsoe playing the season.

But could Bledsoe have won the game itself and done better than Brady’s 16-27 145 yards and not even 100 yards passing until 2 minutes left in that game? Sure why not?

Bledsoe was an inconsistent passer. One pass would be money and the next pass in the dirt. Bledsoe was terrible at reading defenses. Bledsoe choked on 3 teams.

Josh Allen is another Bledsoe,

 

[sb1]

Bledsoe was an inconsistent passer. One pass would be money and the next pass in the dirt. Bledsoe was terrible at reading defenses. Bledsoe choked on 3 teams.

Josh Allen is another Bledsoe,

Bledsoe’s problems were he held the ball too long going through his progressions, didn’t have a quick release, and a statue in the pocket. Which might have been fine because he had a cannon arm but philosophically wasn’t a fit anymore for the kind of offense that Weis and Bill wanted to run. But he took this team from a laughingstock to respectability. Brady took it to the next level and then a few above that.

Wouldn’t say he choked in Buffalo he took them to the verge of the playoffs and then got dumped by the team for JP Losman. Oops.

 

[amfootball]

It truly is amazing that we won the SB in '18.

 

[borg]

Wynn is ok..except when you consider we passed on STUD Calvin Ridley for him

Wynn has played in 14 of the 38 regular season games since drafted.
Glass I. Dowling pities him

 

[amfootball]

There are 2 main reasons we are starting a rebuild:

1) Bill mismanaged the cap mostly because his drafts have been awful for several years
2) Bill totally screwed the QB transition by doing nothing for 3 years after he traded Jimmy.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

There are 2 main reasons we are starting a rebuild:

1) Bill mismanaged the cap mostly because his drafts have been awful for several years
2) Bill totally screwed the QB transition by doing nothing for 3 years after he traded Jimmy.

He did something, just not the right something unless Stidham turns out to be a good QB, don't have my hopes up though.

 

[Bill Lee]

I’d like to see the comparables. Many posters are only focused on this team and the misses. But do the other teams hit on every pick ? There are have - of course - been teams that have hit on several key players in successive years. Are they w/o fail for decades ?

The implication is that BB is horrendous at drafting and he has single handedly doomed NE with his failure. I keep asking for the comparables so that we can peek into a ten or twenty year stretch of drafts.

Some people are so into the draft they probably should go root for that mythical perfect drafting team and stop making themselves and the rest of us miserable with their whining about this team.

I too would like to see comparables. Pretty much every fan base can spit out a list of draft busts they've taken.

And in case if there's any doubt as to us being in a rebuild:



We made the most of our last window, now it's time to jettison the older guys and get on with a rebuild, IMO.

 

[moosekill]

NO

Because there are plenty of great players drafted in later rounds.

Stupid take. If that is the case, how come all of those other great teams keep winning the super bowl every year. You can't have it both ways. I understand you love to ***** about the patriots drafts, and you think you know much better then they do, but spouting off that they suck at it, while they win every year while no other team has ever done that makes you sound idiotic. The Patriots were able to play at the highest level in professional sports since 2001. 19 seasons, can you comprehend that? I looked at the other "great teams" records since 2010. Steelers, 3 years 8-8, Saints 4 years 7-9, Seahawks 2 years 7-9 1 year 9-7, chiefs 1 year 2-14 1year 7-9 1 year 9-7. During that time the patriots have 1 year at 11-5. If you go back to 2000 the patriots have had one losing season. Then you have to go back to 1995 for their second losing season. Two losing seasons in 25 freaking years. Tom was going to leave maybe they could have kept him another year or two, but was this team going to be good enough to win the superbowl again?

 

[RIpats88]

the defense is passable, and should be enough to win in the NFL. its whiffing on offensive skill players that has us where we are. We dont have NFL calibar pass catchers at wide receiver or tight end.

Every team needs a "guy" who can draw defenses and can get open against press man coverage at the drop of a hat. Patriots have NO ONE who scares defenses. Thats why they can play straight up across the board and Cam newton(and last year brady) has to hold onto the ball for 10 seconds because no one is open.

I dont know what the answer is though. Id like to say its the draft. But Bill has whiffed on every decent wide receiver. I mean it seems everyone from the Nkeal Harry draft can play.....except for harry. Maybe its a trade, but bill needs to do something because if you dont have pass catchers it doesnt matter who your QB is.

 

[Boomer B]

Right because first picks of drafts are the only piece of the puzzle when building a team.

You can’t go 7 years and miss on 5 or 6 of your top picks. Draft picks on their 1st contracts are cheap and they need to make up a good portion of the roster. Pretty clear to see the difference in quality from Bill’s top picks before 2014 and after.

 

[Boomer B]

I'd like to see what would happen if they were drafting in the middle of the order, with an occasional top ten pick, rather than always at the end.

I don’t know. Bill seemed to do really well picking later in the rounds from 2001 - 2013. We got Mankins, McCourty, Jones, and Hightower late in the 1st round. Gronk 2nd round. There’s still lots of talent at the end of the first and in the 2nd round.

 

[Triumph]

Stupid take. If that is the case, how come all of those other great teams keep winning the super bowl every year. You can't have it both ways. I understand you love to ***** about the patriots drafts, and you think you know much better then they do, but spouting off that they suck at it, while they win every year while no other team has ever done that makes you sound idiotic. The Patriots were able to play at the highest level in professional sports since 2001. 19 seasons, can you comprehend that? I looked at the other "great teams" records since 2010. Steelers, 3 years 8-8, Saints 4 years 7-9, Seahawks 2 years 7-9 1 year 9-7, chiefs 1 year 2-14 1year 7-9 1 year 9-7. During that time the patriots have 1 year at 11-5. If you go back to 2000 the patriots have had one losing season. Then you have to go back to 1995 for their second losing season. Two losing seasons in 25 freaking years. Tom was going to leave maybe they could have kept him another year or two, but was this team going to be good enough to win the superbowl again?

The definition of stupidity is lauding the Pats draft picks that work out and then making the lame excuse that picking so late caused the player to be a bust. Do you need to be educated again on how many really good WRs were taken after Harry? Did not picking Nick Chubb cause Sony to be mediocre because the Pats picked late. Of course not and only a short bus patron such as yourself would go there.

Look Rainman, the Pats have been winning for 20 years because of Tom Brady at QB.

 

[Patriot Missile]

Make no mistake, Brady leaving is the biggest part of the rebuild. I guess BB not filling out the offensive part of the roster didn’t help. Most teams have an average of 3 rebuilds over 20 years so we’ve been ultra blessed to have soft rebuilds while Brady and BB’s play and gameplans masked them.

But yeah, sour milk would be they could of done 2 or 3 more years of Brady had they made some better acquisitions for power positions on offense, via fa and the draft the last few years.

But hey, 6 Super Bowls later its hard to fault the last 20 years that other fans could only dream of. Sad that the dynasty is over and they could of achieved more. But we sound like %^*#ing tools sometimes when we *****;: about this stuff.

 

[Sciz]

The 2014 and 2015 first round picks and 2016 second round pick aren’t super relevant here. Their rookie contracts would have already expired, so big hits there would be either gone or highly paid.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Brady hid all the mistakes including drafting Drew Bledsoe.

They drafted Bledsoe during the Brady years? Was this humor or honest mistake? I'm surprised nobody caught this.

Bledsoe was an inconsistent passer. One pass would be money and the next pass in the dirt. Bledsoe was terrible at reading defenses. Bledsoe choked on 3 teams.

Josh Allen is another Bledsoe,

Bledsoe helped make the Pats relevant in the 90's so he was obviously the right pick. But I agree Bledsoe wasn't great at reading defenses and was a high maintenance QB. He needed the O-line to block well, a consistent ground game to set up play action passes and WR's to get open quickly or he'd start his signature repeated patting of the ball. With all that being said, he was still a very solid QB.

 

[203Pat]

Wynn has been inconsistent and injured an awful lot in his first few years.

 

[Boomer B]

The 2014 and 2015 first round picks and 2016 second round pick aren’t super relevant here. Their rookie contracts would have already expired, so big hits there would be either gone or highly paid.

Fair point, but if you do hit on a player you can still trade them (Chandler Jones) for a decent haul and keep the train rolling.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Doesn't matter if the drafts are still producing what BB drafts have always produced. Since 2014, he's still managed to draft 1-2 really good players and 2-3 rotational pieces each draft. This is about his typical hit rate since 2000 with the exceptions of 2003 and maybe 2010 depending on how you view the Hernandez pick. 2017 is the exception, mainly because they didn't pick until the 3rd round due to trades for veterans. But still wouldn't rate that draft as poorly as 2006 or 2007, especially when you factor in we got 1 year of Brandin Cooks out of that traded pick..

The reason for the rebuild is this is the NFL, it's typically not realistic to expect a team to contend year in year out without a down year or 2 to reload. We were spoilt by having 2 GOAT level entities at the 2 most crucial positions to a teams's success, now one of them is gone.