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I didn't want to start a new thread but talks are heating up between the Niners and Vikings for a Qb swap. Niners send Jimmy and a 2 and a 4 and Vikings send Cousins. Vikings want a 1 but may settle for the 2 and 4. Big dead money hit for Vikings on top similar to Rams dead cap for Goff.
Cousins has his issues but at least the guy has been really productive and never gets hurt.

Can't say either really about Jimmy.
 
Cousins has his issues but at least the guy has been really productive and never gets hurt.

Can't say either really about Jimmy.
Yeah, I agree. Also, Shanny wanted him from the get go until Bill called Lynch and told him he could have Jimmy for a 2. That trade is looking better for the Pats as each season goes by.
 
Take this for what's it worth.


If true - Jimmy is reduced to a throw-in for Kirk Cousins. Oof.

Pretty clear now he's played his last snap for the 49ers.
 
That trade is looking better for the Pats as each season goes by.
That is an accurate statement.

There was never an offer for Bill to trade Jimmy for a 1st. Instead he got a 2nd.

Now Jimmy is the "player to be named later".
 
Yeah, I agree. Also, Shanny wanted him from the get go until Bill called Lynch and told him he could have Jimmy for a 2. That trade is looking better for the Pats as each season goes by.
Not according to 95% of this forum. Even suggestions that we should trade some of our picks to bring him back! Mind boggling.
 
Garappolo has a no trade clause. Is it in his best interest to be included in a trade to Minnesota or force the issue and make SF cut him. His career is on the line. Is Minny the best place for Garappolo to rebuild it!
 
The 49ers could have signed Brady a year ago for $25M annually. Now they’re trying to trade high picks for mediocrities like Stafford and Cousins, who cost just as much too.
 
If true - Jimmy is reduced to a throw-in for Kirk Cousins. Oof.
Don't tell Vikings fans that. They think Garoppolo adds value to the trade package that they can offer for Watson.
 
I like Jimmy, and would like him here... but, he falls in the same category as Stafford, Cousins, etc, in guys that would be fine to have but not worth trading significant assets to get (especially at high cap numbers). QB's are a poison pill in a lot of ways: You NEED one in order to compete on a regular basis, but because of that they naturally chew up a lot of cap space to acquire and keep, making it harder to surround them with a good supporting cast on a year in, year out basis. Now conflate that with a guy who has a high salary, but isn't the type to single handedly elevate his offense (like JG, Stafford, etc), and you're in this no man's land of having a QB who needs weapons you can't provide without weakening another area on your team.

If Jimmy could be signed as a FA for a reasonable contract, I'd love him to be a bridge guy who could mentor a draft pick. He's been in the system, knows how to develop in it, and can win you some games until the kid is ready to take over. But having to trade picks AND pay him what he's making to do that? Too much of a drain on team building for my tastes.
 
Chao said all along that Goff's thumb injury shouldn't have prevented him from playing in the wild card game. It's possible that McVay benched him.

 
Kirk Cousins is a genius!

Check this out:


In his now ten year career he has been paid a ridiculous $196,469,288 ! Of that almost 125,000,000 has been gauranteed!

The Redskins twice franchsied him, and he took a shorter contract with Minny but almost all of it was gauranteed.

Imagine being his agent! You would have made 19,646,929! His agent has made almost 20 million!!

HE is a decent QB, but if the name of the game is making money, man he is the GOAT!

He has basically made 50 million less than Brady has in twice the time!
 
Just some background on the trade transactions/rumors that might put into more pespective, or at least my amateur take on them. There are three coaches are pretty intertwined due to their work together, close friendships, and (somewhat) shared offensive philosophy.
  • Sean McVay (Rams)
  • Kyle Shanahan (49ers)
  • Matt LaFleur (Packers)
McVay and Shanahan were assistant coaches in Washington; LaFleur was Shanahan's assistant in Atlanta.

The offense that Shanahan and McVay use involves a lot of outside runs, or sweeps, and is rooted in Mike Shanahan's old zone blocking run scheme with Denver. The philosophy around it is to force the defense into a simple concept involving isolating a linebacker against the running back; this matchup is critical because it often forces good defenses into its worst vulnerability. Hence, like Mike Shanahan's old Denver offenses, you see a lot of home run plays from RBs in San Francisco, much moreseo than with other teams, as it isn't uncommon to see them break off 80-yard TD runs.

We saw the concept used in Atlanta in 2016 under Shanahan if you think about those big outside runs by Devonta Freeman. He brought it to San Francisco and brought over Tevin Coleman while also plugging in guys like Matt Breida and Raheem Moestert. The ideal running back is a very fast/quick one that excels at a single cut and then explosive vertical acceleration and speed. This offense can cause fits for normally good defenses; we saw the Patriots struggle with Mike Shanahan's scheme for many years despite the Broncos having sub-par quarterbacks. In Los Angeles, Todd Gurley was an ideal (but very expensive) running back who almost won MVP in 2017.

Because the offense uses a pretty unique concept and often the same formation, the matchups it causes with wide receivers and tight ends is usually somewhat predictable. Defenses can change matchups and the routes are often different, but it isn't as complicated as most offenses in terms of a huge amount of combinations and variations. So before the play, the defense isn't in total suspense at what's coming. Stopping it is a lot harder, though. It is kind of like an RPO in that sense, where it boils things down to simplicity, but it's a little different because there's less decision making on behalf of the QB.

And that's why the QB responsibilities for the Rams, 49ers, and Packers is different from most teams. Kyle Shanahan's big contribution to his father's concept is integrating it with the modern passing game. He uses a lot of predictive analytical models, so before the play, he's broken down the chances of which decision the coach/defender will make and the odds of success for each option. Thus, quarterbacks in these systems generally don't have a lot of improvisational responsibilities and reading a defense on multiple levels isn't a highly valued skill. It was clear when Jimmy Garoppolo merged with Kyle Shanahan in 2017 that, while they won a lot of games, it still wasn't really the right system fit for Garoppolo, who excelled in his short time in New England in a read/react system.

So who are the ideal quarterbacks? Guys who are really accurate, have good arm strength, and appear to be more robotic in their approach. Run the play, throw the ball to player X or possibly to player Y because they are the open route by design. Matt Ryan was a perfect fit for the system, as he is someone who struggles to buy time in the pocket and improvise but is money when he only has to throw to the right spot. Matt Stafford would be absolutely ideal as well with his arm strength and accuracy, not having to look off defenders but just knowing where to put the ball. Kirk Cousins is another guy who would be an ideal fit, for the same reasons, that he's very coachable, does the right things, makes the right throws, even has good stats, but lacks the improvisational skills.

Notable: Ryan, Stafford, and Cousins all have good statistics, don't really struggle with a specific aspect of the game, but find themselves on losing teams and are frequently criticized as either being the problem, or at the very least, not part of the solution. And a lot of that has to do with their very structured, "safe" approach to the game that to fans often looks like they don't care about winning when in fact they just take a "by the book" approach to the game. They'd fit in well with the Shanahan offense.

This is also likely why the Packers likely drafted Jordan Love in the first round, knowing that while Aaron Rodgers is an all-time great player, paying $40M to him doesn't necessarily make sense when there are other needs and LaFleur might get 80% of the same success from an accurate, though less spectacular quarterback.
 
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@Ice_Ice_Brady Very interesting breakdown! That might explain why the Pats in 2018 were able to completely shut down McVay's scheme, yet got manhandled by it in 2020. In 2018 we had the best linebacking corp we've had since the mid 2000's, where this past year we were playing with an almost entirely overturned group that included two rookies. The kind of instinct that those veterans provided in 2018 allowed them to get a crucial first step on these types of plays and mitigate the advantage they're supposed to provide. With a more inexperienced group, the Rams were able to get a half step on them from the jump and that's all they really needed.
 
@Ice_Ice_Brady Very interesting breakdown! That might explain why the Pats in 2018 were able to completely shut down McVay's scheme, yet got manhandled by it in 2020. In 2018 we had the best linebacking corp we've had since the mid 2000's, where this past year we were playing with an almost entirely overturned group that included two rookies. The kind of instinct that those veterans provided in 2018 allowed them to get a crucial first step on these types of plays and mitigate the advantage they're supposed to provide. With a more inexperienced group, the Rams were able to get a half step on them from the jump and that's all they really needed.

I think it's a major factor. Also why we got completely run over by the 49ers this year, 33-6, even though JG threw two interceptions and no touchdowns.
 
The 49ers could have signed Brady a year ago for $25M annually. Now they’re trying to trade high picks for mediocrities like Stafford and Cousins, who cost just as much too.

I think the dumbass owner In Indianapolis said they could’ve signed Brady last year too
 
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