Some Cap Games/"Opportunities"

[mgteich]

All it takes is one team in need of CB that thinks Jackson is elite to garner a first round pick. An elite CB is only second to a franchise QB on teams’ needs and desires.

Perhaps there is a team that is willing to give a 2023 first for one year of Jackson's services at $17M when he signs in July. I just don't think that this will happen.

 

[mgteich]

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Sorry, but the reality is that it is Jackson’s best interest to get a long term deal in the next month or so whether it is with the Pats or another team. Otherwise, he risks getting less, possibly much less if he plays for the franchise tender and hurts his market value this upcoming season.

Thuney is not relevant here because the Pats were content to tag him and let him play for the franchise tag. There never seemed to be any interest in the Pats trading him nor getting a long term deal done.

Thuney also risked being injured or having a poor season.

Some players take the risk and bet on themselves. Some take the lower longer term offer as insurance.

Then there are some who are so scared that they give up their leverage and allow the teams to trade him before the draft.

 

[Rob0729]

My position is that if Jackson is franchised, he will sign in early July, before the deadline. I see no reason for him to do anything else. He would expect to play for the patriots for the 2022 season, although the team could trade him and try to sign or trade for another CB at that late date.

So if another team is willing to make him the highest paid CB in the NFL on March 1, he will say "No thank you! I will sign in July and play for the franchise number"? Seriously?!?

It is in Jackson's best interest to get a long term deal done in the next few weeks whether it is with the Pats or with another team. Waiting to July would be stupid. Now if he cannot get the deal he wants, then he waits to July. But he will know very quickly what teams would trade for him and whether they will give him the contract he wants. So he will not wait until July.

 

[Rob0729]

Thuney also risked being injured or having a poor season.

Some players take the risk and bet on themselves. Some take the lower longer term offer as insurance.

Then there are some who are so scared that they give up their leverage and allow the teams to trade him before the draft.

Thuney's risk is less than Jackson's. First, he is less likely to blow out an ACL or an Achilles. Second, his position isn't ruled by statistics like Jackson's. if Jackson doesn't have any INTs in 2022, it could hurt his market value. What is the equivalent for a guard. Third, Jackson can play well and look really bad because of the players around him. If the opposing QB has five seconds to throw, Jackson can have great coverage ans still give up a TD because five seconds is too long to hold coverage.

Any player who going to be tagged and traded, would be an idiot to wait until July. Seriously, I would love to hear the negotiations there, "Well, we could have afforded to give you a $30 million bonus if we signed you March, but all we can afford now is $20 million after signing all those players. Don't worry. We will make it up to you on the back end."

 

[Rob0729]

Perhaps there is a team that is willing to give a 2023 first for one year of Jackson's services at $17M when he signs in July. I just don't think that this will happen.

So no team would trade for Jackson in March and give him a long term deal, but they will give up a first round pick for an one year rental under the franchise tag in July. You aren't making sense.

Again, if Jackson gets traded in March, he will get an above market deal. This is how tags and trades work. Hell, even Tebucky Jones who sucked, but hit hard got the Pats a 3rd. 5th, and 7th round pick in a tag and trade and then he was given a seven year, $29 million contract (average of $4.2 million a year) from the Saints which was a huge contract for a safety in 2003 . For context, Rodney Harrison, who replaced Jones, got a six year, $15 million ($2.5 million a year) contract from the Pats that year.

 

[BTTA]

Just a question, but why is the idea of just paying the guy the going market rate for a top-flight CB not an option? We’ve been so brainwashed by Belinomics that the idea of actually paying someone what they’re worth is a totally foreign concept.

If in the larger context of team composition, management decides that it doesn't want to spend top dollar on CB's. Nothing to do with Jackson, everything to do with allocations across positions, with every decision affecting every other decision.

 

[mgteich]

If a team gives Jackson a huge contract AND gives the patriots a first, the coach should be fired.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

If a team gives Jackson a huge contract AND gives the patriots a first, the coach should be fired.

Coach or GM?

 

[farn]

I think the JC situation is by far the most interesting. I could see any of these happening : walk - Franchise one year - Franchise and trade - Franchise and sign longterm. If I had to guess, I listed them in decreasing order of probability.

On a passing note : did I just read on the interwebz that Matt Ryan’s number will be 48M this year ?!?! Oooooof.

 

[stinkypete]

I am not a fan of pushing bad contracts into 2023 and beyond. This will only handcuff our ability to capitalize on our greatest asset, a QB on a rookie deal.

I understand that the cap is poised to explode, but it will for all teams, and will only lead to salary inflation across the board. I'd rather take my lumps for another year or two with Smith, Agholor, Godchaux and Mills, focus on the draft, and load up on talent in 2023 - 24.

 

[TheRainMaker]

If a team gives Jackson a huge contract AND gives the patriots a first, the coach should be fired.

Why?

 

[venecol]

Again, JC had a 2nd round tender last offseason and there was no interest. Why do you guys believe that all of a sudden a team will now hand over a 1st rounder + a monster contract for him?

 

[Sciz]

Again, JC had a 2nd round tender last offseason and there was no interest. Why do you guys believe that all of a sudden a team will now hand over a 1st rounder + a monster contract for him?

His coverage stats improved across the board even though he had to take the harder matchups that Gilmore would have gotten a year earlier.

 

[venecol]

So no team would trade for Jackson in March and give him a long term deal, but they will give up a first round pick for an one year rental under the franchise tag in July. You aren't making sense.

Again, if Jackson gets traded in March, he will get an above market deal. This is how tags and trades work.

 

[venecol]

GB is $26M over the cap and there's talk of them offering AR a record breaking contract + bringing back DAdams. If they can do that why wouldn't the Pats be able to do whatever they want? The cap is crap is real.

 

[mgteich]

GB is $26M over the cap and there's talk of them offering AR a record breaking contract + bringing back DAdams. If they can do that why wouldn't the Pats be able to do whatever they want? The cap is crap is real.

the cap isn't crap because you don't understand it.

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

GB is $26M over the cap and there's talk of them offering AR a record breaking contract + bringing back DAdams. If they can do that why wouldn't the Pats be able to do whatever they want? The cap is crap is real.

Rodgers counts for over $46 million against the Packers cap, so any extension they give him would surely lower that cap number greatly. He is entering the last year of his contract and they have a voided year for 2023.

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