OT: Golden State Warriors Sputtering Toward the End

[RobertWeathers]

Spurs are historically good this year but are just being overshadowed by the Warriors being in contention for greatest ever. If not the Warriors, the Spurs would realistically being looking at a 69-70 win season.

Yep. Spurs are an excellent team this year.

...but GS should win that series in 5 or 6 games. Thats how good they are by comparison.

 

[Wheelman]

Nobody but Tom Brady "knows" how severe his injury was and how it impacted him. I don't believe he has weighed in other than to say that it was "fine." Care to share how you "know" this information. Because I watched the game and he looked fine:



Edit: Would love to see how this act of yours plays in real life--you know, on those rare occasions when you stray from Mom and Dad's basement.

I remember that play more than the Tyree catch believe it or not. That's a TD if not FG range.

 

[realtime]

Surprised (but maybe I shouldn't be) to see a thread ostensibly about the NBA/GSW descend into a ridiculous compilation of revisionist history about the Patriots' injury situation in SB XLII.

Here is the injury report from the Friday afternoon before the game:

Super Bowl XLII Injury Report - 2/1/2008
Friday, February 01, 2008 5:00 PM EST

Friday, February 1, 2008

NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS (18-0)
Out
No Players Listed
Doubtful
No Players Listed
Questionable
No Players Listed
Probable
QB Brady, Tom (FP) Right Shoulder

NEW YORK GIANTS (13-6)
Out
TBA
Doubtful
TBA
Questionable
WR Burress, Plaxico (DNP) Ankle/Knee
Probable
DE Umeniora, Osi (DNP) Thigh
CB Dockery, Kevin (FP) Hip Flexor
G Seubert, Rich (FP) Knee

http://www.patriots.com/news/2008/02/01/super-bowl-xlii-injury-report-212008

I see 4 Giants, 2 of whom were very significant contributors to the SB win not even practicing two days before the SB. On the other hand, only TB is listed for the Patriots, as a full practice participant with his usual mock "right shoulder" injury. No sign of a high ankle sprain or any practice limitations on this report.

Yet somehow it was the Patriots who weren't at full strength going in the SB? And somehow it is the health of Stephen Neal that is the difference between a 19-0 all-time juggernaut and an 18-1 historical footnote? SMH.

 

[letekro]

Keep on trolling. It's all you've got.

Pats are completely anal about disclosing injuries yet they have the best player in the league parading around NYC in a walking boot a week before the biggest football game of all time. I guess Tom just slipped up!

 

[ausbacker]

Surprised (but maybe I shouldn't be) to see a thread ostensibly about the NBA/GSW descend into a ridiculous compilation of revisionist history about the Patriots' injury situation in SB XLII.

Here is the injury report from the Friday afternoon before the game:

Super Bowl XLII Injury Report - 2/1/2008
Friday, February 01, 2008 5:00 PM EST

Friday, February 1, 2008

NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS (18-0)
Out
No Players Listed
Doubtful
No Players Listed
Questionable
No Players Listed
Probable
QB Brady, Tom (FP) Right Shoulder

NEW YORK GIANTS (13-6)
Out
TBA
Doubtful
TBA
Questionable
WR Burress, Plaxico (DNP) Ankle/Knee
Probable
DE Umeniora, Osi (DNP) Thigh
CB Dockery, Kevin (FP) Hip Flexor
G Seubert, Rich (FP) Knee

Super Bowl XLII Injury Report - 2/1/2008

I see 4 Giants, 2 of whom were very significant contributors to the SB win not even practicing two days before the SB. On the other hand, only TB is listed for the Patriots, as a full practice participant with his usual mock "right shoulder" injury. No sign of a high ankle sprain or any practice limitations on this report.

Yet somehow it was the Patriots who weren't at full strength going in the SB? And somehow it is the health of Stephen Neal that is the difference between a 19-0 all-time juggernaut and an 18-1 historical footnote? SMH.

Which makes the list you posted pointless doesn't it. And yes, I'd say the health of the Patriots best OL player did have a significant impact on that game, especially knowing the Giants exploited the A Gaps, one of which Neal would have been directly responsible for.

 

[realtime]

Which makes the list you posted pointless doesn't it. And yes, I'd say the health of the Patriots best OL player did have a significant impact on that game, especially knowing the Giants exploited the A Gaps, one of which Neal would have been directly responsible for.

Wow . . . this post speaks for itself.

 

[ausbacker]

Wow . . . this post speaks for itself.

Not really, your apparent inability to acknowledge the very obvious impact of health to your better players significantly affects the outcome of a sporting contest. Mind you, Brady's had an injury to his right shoulder for how many years now?

For whatever reason, you don't seem to understand that the Warriors appear to be healthy. I hope they maintain their health all the way through the playoffs because they're the best team in the NBA (by a mile) and given the historical implications of their last regular season game and the playoffs, if the Celtics can't get it done, I'd love to see a little slice of history in an era designed to inhibit it. The Pats had that chance and didn't get it done. Pretty straightforward.

 

[Deus Irae]

Pats are completely anal about disclosing injuries yet they have the best player in the league parading around NYC in a walking boot a week before the biggest football game of all time. I guess Tom just slipped up!

Unlike the way that regular season game practices work, Super Bowl practices are watched by media members, and injuries get reported on, so it makes sense that you'd acknowledge it.

Care to try again, care to admit your error, or do you just want to return to the personal attacks?

 

[realtime]

Unlike the way that regular season game practices work, Super Bowl practices are watched by media members, and injuries get reported on, so it makes sense that you'd acknowledge it.

Right, just like they did on the injury report two days before the big game.

 

[letekro]

Unlike the way that regular season game practices work, Super Bowl practices are watched by media members, and injuries get reported on, so it makes sense that you'd acknowledge it.

Care to try again, care to admit your error, or do you just want to return to the personal attacks?

Look i cant argue with a man that "knows" that Tom Brady had a significant injury when the player, the team and the game film have directly contradicted that claim. if you already "know" something then your mind is obviously incapable of considering evidence to the contrary. So, good day Sir.

 

[letekro]

At times, @Deus Irae and I butt heads because I'm sure we can both be annoying but he's a quality poster. Also, a quick google search will point you to some of the injuries sustained or carried into 42 by the Patriots.

Seeing as you don't really offer anything to the board, I think it's time to put you where you deserve to be; on ignore.

Well, you got one thing right.

 

[rochrist]

Look i cant argue with a man that "knows" that Tom Brady had a significant injury when the player, the team and the game film have directly contradicted that claim. if you already "know" something then your mind is obviously incapable of considering evidence to the contrary. So, good day Sir.

The team and the player are always going to deny that injury played a part, that's how this team rolls. But Brady certainly didn't seem as mobile as he normally is in that game.

 

[letekro]

The team and the player are always going to deny that injury played a part, that's how this team rolls. But Brady certainly didn't seem as mobile as he normally is in that game.

i didnt notice it but thats just me. At any rate, it is embarassing to suggest that the result in SB 42 was due to injuries.

 

[supafly]

i didnt notice it but thats just me. At any rate, it is embarassing to suggest that the result in SB 42 was due to injuries.

Understanding that we may see this one differently, can you honestly say that you don't believe that our injuries had anything to do with the outcome of the game?

Just off the top of my head we had Brady, Neal, and Hobbs (gave up the GW TD to Burress, obviously) all somewhat hobbled in various ways. Just because Belichick didn't hold anyone out of practice or limit them in the final practice on Friday doesn't mean that they weren't dealing with issues.

 

[letekro]

Understanding that we may see this one differently, can you honestly say that you don't believe that our injuries had anything to do with the outcome of the game?

Just off the top of my head we had Brady, Neal, and Hobbs (gave up the GW TD to Burress, obviously) all somewhat hobbled in various ways. Just because Belichick didn't hold anyone out of practice or limit them in the final practice on Friday doesn't mean that they weren't dealing with issues.

I feel like Ive entered an alternate universe. In the 19th game, your quarterback is well enough to drop back more than 50 times and unleash any number of great passes while at the same time being tossed to his back. After those 50 dropbacks he is still able to scramble and uncork a 75 yard pass and you are going to complain about him being injured? After Philip Rivers played with a torn acl the week before? As if the Giants werent battling minor injuries as well? I really had no idea there was a sentiment that it was anything other than a fair and square beatdown that decided that game.

 

[realtime]

Understanding that we may see this one differently, can you honestly say that you don't believe that our injuries had anything to do with the outcome of the game?

Just off the top of my head we had Brady, Neal, and Hobbs (gave up the GW TD to Burress, obviously) all somewhat hobbled in various ways. Just because Belichick didn't hold anyone out of practice or limit them in the final practice on Friday doesn't mean that they weren't dealing with issues.

I know you weren't asking me, but unless you are saying a fresh-out-of-the package Patriots team (in terms of health) would have had a better shot to defeat a Giants team that had been worn down over 16 regular season and 3 playoff games, then injuries had absolutely nothing to do with the outcome of that game.

The Giants had their own injuries to deal with. Here's what Plaxico Burress played through in that same game:

two bad ankles, a separated shoulder, a torn ligament in his pinky, and the injury that scared Tom Coughlin and inspired the Giants to embark on a Nixonian, Belichickian coverup -- a sprained medial collateral ligament in his left knee suffered during a fall in a hotel shower five days before the game.

O'Connor: Burress is still one tough hombre

The better team won, plain and simple. If Donta Hightower can find a way to stop a relatively healthy Marshawn Lynch with the injuries Hightower was dealing with in the SB, then I don't think we can honestly blame injury for Hobbs's inability to stop a very banged up Plaxico.

 

[supafly]

I know you weren't asking me, but unless you are saying a fresh-out-of-the package Patriots team (in terms of health) would have had a better shot to defeat a Giants team that had been worn down over 16 regular season and 3 playoff games, then injuries had absolutely nothing to do with the outcome of that game.

The Giants had their own injuries to deal with. Here's what Plaxico Burress played through in that same game:

two bad ankles, a separated shoulder, a torn ligament in his pinky, and the injury that scared Tom Coughlin and inspired the Giants to embark on a Nixonian, Belichickian coverup -- a sprained medial collateral ligament in his left knee suffered during a fall in a hotel shower five days before the game.

O'Connor: Burress is still one tough hombre

The better team won, plain and simple. If Donta Hightower can find a way to stop a relatively healthy Marshawn Lynch with the injuries Hightower was dealing with in the SB, then I don't think we can honestly blame injury for Hobbs's inability to stop a very banged up Plaxico.

I feel like Ive entered an alternate universe. In the 19th game, your quarterback is well enough to drop back more than 50 times and unleash any number of great passes while at the same time being tossed to his back. After those 50 dropbacks he is still able to scramble and uncork a 75 yard pass and you are going to complain about him being injured? After Philip Rivers played with a torn acl the week before? As if the Giants werent battling minor injuries as well? I really had no idea there was a sentiment that it was anything other than a fair and square beatdown that decided that game.

I think it's fair to assume that Brady needing to wear a walking boot, our starting RG going down early, and our CB2 being hobbled may have had something to do with losing a very close 17-14 game. That's just my opinion, but I certainly respect the views of those who see it differently and am not meaning to take anything away from the awesome effort given by the NYG.

I simply believe that things would've turned out differently without those injuries, that's all. In a very tight contest, good/bad bounces and injuries can certainly come into play.

 

[EatSleepWinRepeat]

It's embarrassing the lengths some Patriots fans will go to excuse probably the most inexcusable loss in sports history. Let them cope by blaming injury and refs and whatever else helps them sleep at night but the fact is they lost because the Giants were the better team that day and it's a shame we'll all have to live for the rest of our lives unless Brady somehow goes 19-0 before he retires.

 

[ausbacker]

It's embarrassing the lengths some Patriots fans will go to excuse probably the most inexcusable loss in sports history. Let them cope by blaming injury and refs and whatever else helps them sleep at night but the fact is they lost because the Giants were the better team that day and it's a shame we'll all have to live for the rest of our lives unless Brady somehow goes 19-0 before he retires.

I haven't seen any claim the Patriots lost 42 because of injuries. All I've seen is commentary around it being particularly unhelpful in their quest for 19-0. Clearly, the team shat the bed that day and in spite of all of that, still had a chance to win the game.

Naturally, the usual suspects have taken an innocent comment about the Warriors fitness and have extrapolated that for their own stupid means. It's clear to me the C's aren't good enough to win it all this season thus, it's my hope the Warriors stay fit and create their own slice of history. I enjoy watching the theatre of sport. It's the best reality TV we have.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Surprised (but maybe I shouldn't be) to see a thread ostensibly about the NBA/GSW descend into a ridiculous compilation of revisionist history about the Patriots' injury situation in SB XLII.

Here is the injury report from the Friday afternoon before the game:

Super Bowl XLII Injury Report - 2/1/2008
Friday, February 01, 2008 5:00 PM EST

Friday, February 1, 2008

NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS (18-0)
Out
No Players Listed
Doubtful
No Players Listed
Questionable
No Players Listed
Probable
QB Brady, Tom (FP) Right Shoulder

NEW YORK GIANTS (13-6)
Out
TBA
Doubtful
TBA
Questionable
WR Burress, Plaxico (DNP) Ankle/Knee
Probable
DE Umeniora, Osi (DNP) Thigh
CB Dockery, Kevin (FP) Hip Flexor
G Seubert, Rich (FP) Knee

Super Bowl XLII Injury Report - 2/1/2008

I see 4 Giants, 2 of whom were very significant contributors to the SB win not even practicing two days before the SB. On the other hand, only TB is listed for the Patriots, as a full practice participant with his usual mock "right shoulder" injury. No sign of a high ankle sprain or any practice limitations on this report.

Yet somehow it was the Patriots who weren't at full strength going in the SB? And somehow it is the health of Stephen Neal that is the difference between a 19-0 all-time juggernaut and an 18-1 historical footnote? SMH.

With the exception of TB, Pats injuries occurred during the game. Neal, Faulk, etc.

What's is your problem?