OT: Football is back Hall of Fame Game thread

[primetime]

You mean they've all given up? That's big news! Where did you get this important information?

Meanwhile ... Can The Q-Collar Help Preserve Brain Function In Football Players?

Hate to break it to you, but the Q-collar has approximately the same level of evidence that it does anything as Alex Guerrero's magic concussion water, and the publication in a joke journal with a ridiculously underpowered and inappropriate sample of 20 high school students that serves as "evidence" for its efficacy was almost certainly paid for by the company that makes it and maybe the NFL. But yeah, sure, the PhD (not MD) who wrote that paper is definitely raking in some money, so I guess that's something. Meanwhile, the vast majority of neuroscientists will happily tell you that human brains and skills simply haven't evolved to sustain the daily pressure of being slapped, smacked, and whacked by 350 lb. mammoth men and no amount of technology is going to help that.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Hate to break it to you, but the Q-collar has approximately the same level of evidence that it does anything as Alex Guerrero's magic concussion water, and the publication in a joke journal with a ridiculously underpowered and inappropriate sample of 20 high school students that serves as "evidence" for its efficacy was almost certainly paid for by the company that makes it and maybe the NFL. But yeah, sure, the PhD (not MD) who wrote that paper is definitely raking in some money.

I can't believe someone can be that stupid but holy **** he might be.

Imagine saying a solution is just a matter of time & then posting the Q-collar LOL!!!

And then disliking like a bit ch bc he has 0 argument & debating skills.

 

[Tunescribe]

Nobody is forcing you to watch it & your last sentence (actually entire post) is pretty dumb even for this place.

Perhaps you misread my post (I'll give you the benefit of a doubt despite the snark). "Nobody is forcing you to watch it"? As a 26-year season ticket holder I love the game and hate seeing its essence constantly tinkered with to the point of seriously diminishing returns. Nothing "pretty dumb" about that at all.

 

[Deus Irae]

Because of the new helmet rule, I forced myself to watch some of this game. Having seen the penalties called on the helmet hits, I've come to a conclusion:

What's happening out there is something, but it's not football.

 

[BobDigital]

I said it before the draft, i said it after the draft, i'll say it now.

Lamar Jackson is 95% certain to be a bust. His ability to win from the pocket at the NFL doesn't exist. His accuracy is off and I question his ability to read a D at a high level.

He will need to depend on his legs and will sadly be badly injured within 2 year.

He also can't tell when a CB is baiting him as that int showed. Yes it was a good Int but a better QB sees that play is not there to make... maybe with a pin point backs shoulder throw. But better to go elsewhere.

Jackson so far has pretty much just looked to his hot route and then runs around. That isn't a formula that will sustain him.

 

[wizwor]

At work today, someone asked when preseason starts. No one knew. I said, "now? It's August, preseason games should start soon." I was just channel surfing and was surprised to see Sunday Night Football in the EPG. I stopped in to see who was playing. Baltimore and Chicago separated by a TD with time running out in the 4th. No noise. Not sure I am going to hang around for NBC to pan the audience, but it looks like 2018 is going to be a quiet season.

Just got a brief pan of an empty stadium.

 

[blackglass3]

It's a good thing RG3 is mentoring Jackson, because in 5 years he'll be RG3.

 

[Tunescribe]

Hate to break it to you, but the Q-collar has approximately the same level of evidence that it does anything as Alex Guerrero's magic concussion water, and the publication in a joke journal with a ridiculously underpowered and inappropriate sample of 20 high school students that serves as "evidence" for its efficacy was almost certainly paid for by the company that makes it and maybe the NFL. But yeah, sure, the PhD (not MD) who wrote that paper is definitely raking in some money, so I guess that's something. Meanwhile, the vast majority of neuroscientists will happily tell you that human brains and skills simply haven't evolved to sustain the daily pressure of being slapped, smacked, and whacked by 350 lb. mammoth men and no amount of technology is going to help that.

My intention was not to suggest the Q-collar as the final solution to a serious ongoing problem but to offer it as evidence that attempts to address CTE from an equipment/medical approach within the game's context are ongoing. The collar came out about three years ago and everything I've read about it says the jury's still out. How can anyone conclude with certainty that medical solutions aimed at (A) preventing CTE or (B) sufficiently addressing it after the fact are impossible just because right now there isn't an answer? You can't. For instance, the recent hypothesis that lithium, at standard or even low doses, can improve or prevent CTE. Something meaningful to address this will come along.

I can't believe someone can be that stupid but holy **** he might be. Imagine saying a solution is just a matter of time & then posting the Q-collar LOL!!! And then disliking like a bit ch bc he has 0 argument & debating skills.

Don't be an ass. See response above.

 

[Joey007]

Get used to it. The NFL can't go on turning a blind eye to what's happening to players after their career ends.

The NFL will look very different in 10-20 years.

This line of thinking annoys me.

Football has risks involved. Everything in life has risks involved. They get paid millions to do a sport they love. There’s thousands of former players that are living well into their 80’s. You all act like football is a deathwish.

 

[TheBeers]

Unsure where to put this, involves Ray Lewis on the pregame show I think? Anyway the comments are amazing.

 

[PatriotsNumero1Fan]

This correa kid looked good for the rat birds and i don’t even think he’s projected to start. Wish we had LB talent like that.

 

[supafly]

Because of the new helmet rule, I forced myself to watch some of this game. Having seen the penalties called on the helmet hits, I've come to a conclusion:

What's happening out there is something, but it's not football.

That’s terrible to hear. Perhaps they can iron it out a bit before we see meaningful games. One would think that they can’t be happy with two calls in the first preseason game.

My concern is that they don’t know, either. Sort of like what constitutes a catch.

 

[supafly]

At work today, someone asked when preseason starts. No one knew. I said, "now? It's August, preseason games should start soon." I was just channel surfing and was surprised to see Sunday Night Football in the EPG. I stopped in to see who was playing. Baltimore and Chicago separated by a TD with time running out in the 4th. No noise. Not sure I am going to hang around for NBC to pan the audience, but it looks like 2018 is going to be a quiet season.

Just got a brief pan of an empty stadium.

I wouldn’t have expected much for a late 4th quarter preseason game, although I have no idea as to whether or not the HOF game normally packs a full house.

 

[PatriotsNumero1Fan]

It’s gonna be nice seeing randy moss this weekend. Hard to believe he scored 50 tds in just 3 and a half seasons here. Wish we had acquire him earlier in his career.​

 

[fnordcircle]

No. Nobody is forcing anyone to play professional football.

Choices being made by young adults whose decision making centers of their brain aren't fully-developed.

Look, I get the libertarian viewpoint on these sorts of things, but after hearing about what has happened to former players of ours like Corwin Brown, Mike Wright or, most poignantly Junior Seau after he blew his own heart away if you didn't become willing to sacrifice some elements of viewing enjoyment to improve the health and future well-being of these young men then I'm dismayed by your lack of empathy.

For me I'll be glad of anything they do, up to and including turning it into Flag Football.

 

[maineman209]

Deshon Elliot was my binkie.
He is already better than Richards.
Lamar Jackson looks better than Etling.

Damning with faint praise?

 

[Kontradiction]

I didn’t watch but I’m not surprised to read that the new helmet rule already looks like a disaster.

 

[maineman209]

Did RG3 look any good or is he completely toast?

I happened to tune in at the start of his scoring drive, and then went to bed at the 2-minute warning, so RGIII was really the only QB I saw.

Maybe not quite toast. Seemed like an okay backup NFL QB to me, say, for Russell Wilson.

His reads, mechanics, timing and precision all seemed better than I remember. Rollouts to his right were pretty good. He didn't appear to pre-maturely default to running it himself like he used to. Playcalls seemed odd at times (Mornhinweg).

His OL protection, especially the left side, didn't give him enough time to throw after the scoring drive. Might've been partly the blocking scheme or the protection calls, because the LT seemed to be on an island against the rush. Regardless, the LT looked awful in what was essentially a series of 1-v-1s against a guy (Fitts) who's not exactly Miller or Mack yet.

Can't really judge, though. Pre-season with younger players and scrubs getting most of the snaps.

 

[maineman209]

WRT concussions and CTE, it seems to me that there's an extremely large variation in propensity/vulnerability among players, a variation that doesn't appear to correlate all that well with the player's position or playing technique. Perhaps there's some correlating variation in skull/brain structures that has yet to be discovered/determined. If so, it may be possible to develop some sort of test that could be administered to youngsters before they begin to play that could be used to screen out high-risk individuals.

If there's research being done on this, I've yet to hear about it.

In any case, I don't think rule changes or equipment re-designs are likely to help all that much.

 

[long distance]

Choices being made by young adults whose decision making centers of their brain aren't fully-developed.

Look, I get the libertarian viewpoint on these sorts of things, but after hearing about what has happened to former players of ours like Corwin Brown, Mike Wright or, most poignantly Junior Seau after he blew his own heart away if you didn't become willing to sacrifice some elements of viewing enjoyment to improve the health and future well-being of these young men then I'm dismayed by your lack of empathy.

For me I'll be glad of anything they do, up to and including turning it into Flag Football.

chapeau

to me this is not only about safety or future of the sport . its also about taking away unfair advantage from players using helmet to compensate their lack of technique, instincts, playing speed etc . or (in not so few cases) to express their frustration against top players beating them. so one can see it also as safety measure to keep top offensive plays and players in the game..

btw - preseason is always flag football - esp. when rules change. they'll back off quite a bit when real games start.