NFLN morons: Patriots will "take a step back" this season

[belichick010405]

There's a big difference between "very reasonable argument" and "declaration." Regardless, there is no direct evidence supporting "reasonable argument" as we haven't even played a game yet with the new personnel. So until we have more information, the "reasonable argument" holds little weight.

Well said Tunescribe. It is truly ironic that someone makes a declarative statement and then hides it as a "very reasonable argument".

But hey - according to the person you responded to, the entire offseason of the Patriots "sucked".

 

[Demosthenes]

Could have sworn that many people around here have talked about how the Pats are missing about 83% of last year's production in the passing game and are themselves questioning whether that production can be replaced by Amendola, Edleman, et al..


Hopefully the guys at NFLN will be wrong about their prognostications, but as Deus said, and the above implies, there is justification for the position.

 

[belichick010405]

Could have sworn that many people around here have talked about how the Pats are missing about 83% of last year's production in the passing game and are themselves questioning whether that production can be replaced by Amendola, Edleman, et al..


Hopefully the guys at NFLN will be wrong about their prognostications, but as Deus said, and the above implies, there is justification for the position.

Wrong. The End.

 

[Demosthenes]

Wrong. The End.

No, it's not "wrong, the end". If you disagree, step up and point out where I am mistaken.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

I get exactly what you're saying, but in all reality only winning 3 out of 8 road games would probably equal a pretty big step backwards.

We'd be back to the 2009 season all over again with that kind of road failure. Actually it would top it.

Yes it would,but you could still have a losing road record and win this division and a 3 or more likely a 4 seed so no one will talk about a 3-5 road record if they end up wearing division hats and shirts again.

I really see Houston and Cincinnati as the top 2 teams in the AFC with Denver and New England right behind......yes,I said the surprising Bungles who have an improving D and AJ Green is going to have a monster year and Dalton should have a decent season as well

 

[Deus Irae]

No, it's not "wrong, the end". If you disagree, step up and point out where I am mistaken.

This message is hidden because belicheck010405 is on your ignore list.

Trust me..... doing it that way is the best solution.

 

[Tunescribe]

That's an incorrect argument, since there's quite a bit of your "direct evidence", starting with the WR and TE situations.

Oh god, here we go. Please consult your crystal ball and tell me:
* Why you assume Gronk won't be back sooner than later.
* Why Sudfeld's impressive presence is irrelevant.
* Why Fells' improved showing in camp won't manifest in games.
* Why Dobson/Boyce/(and possibly) Thompkins can't outperform Lloyd/Branch.
* Why Amendola/Edelman can't approximate Welker's production.
* Why a revamped offensive scheme dumping (at least temporarily) the two-tight end emphasis won't at least minimize or even fully compensate for Ahern's absence?

I have yet to see any "direct evidence" that the offense will be taking a "step back" because of changes at WR and tight end.

 

[belichick010405]

No, it's not "wrong, the end". If you disagree, step up and point out where I am mistaken.

I have and in more ways than I care to bother.

If you were a Patriots fan and someone that actually knew something about the rest of the league, then you would have been talking about it since coming over here.

Don't bother responding because I won't be responding back to you. The fact remains that you have not discussed anything in the last week relating to anything about the Patriots and their personnel and their schedule.

 

[Demosthenes]

Trust me..... doing it that way is the best solution.

Thanks for the advice. Might just do that at some point, but not yet. I mean, why miss out on the good laughs ?

 

[Deus Irae]

Oh god, here we go. Please consult your crystal ball and tell me:
* Why you assume Gronk won't be back sooner than later.
* Why Sudfeld's impressive presence is irrelevant.
* Why Fells' improved showing in camp won't manifest in games.
* Why Dobson/Boyce/(and possibly) Thompkins can't outperform Lloyd/Branch.
* Why Amendola/Edelman can't approximate Welker's production.
* Why a revamped offensive scheme dumping (at least temporarily) the two-tight end emphasis won't at least minimize or even fully compensate for Ahern's absence?

I'm not really assuming anything. I'm looking at decades worth of history and applying the odds, just as you would be if you were being honest here. The odds tell us that rookie WRs tend to struggle. The odds tell us that it's not likely any TE but Gronk will be as good as AH. The odds tell us that Amendola won't match Welker's production. The odds tell us all of that. It doesn't mean that such things are guaranteed, but it does mean that taking those factors into account and feeling the team will fall back is a perfectly rational way to think.

I have yet to see any "direct evidence" that the offense will be taking a "step back" because of changes at WR and tight end.

Then you're being no better than Ray Ray. Congratulations on sinking that low.

 

[Joker]

It's gettin' heated up in this joint!...

 

[mgteich]

Should they really expect us not to take a step back when almost our passing game is gone.'
We know that we are the best, but we are fans.

NFLN "expert" consensus -- the Patriots will (their favorite phrase) "take a step back" this season while Houston and Denver are darlings for the conference title and Miami will seriously challenge for the division. So say Darren Sharper, Deion "Screaming Clown" Sanders and one or two others I've heard lately.

To me, this is more wishful thinking than anything based in reality. Screw those azzholes.

 

[belichick010405]

I expect the Patriots offense to mimic what they were like in the 2005 season but with a stronger running game. Their defense will be statistically comparable to its 2009 defense but continue to be stronger on 3rd down, with continued improvement in rushing the quarterback and slightly down on forcing turnovers.

 

[Crazy Patriot Guy]

I'm not really assuming anything. I'm looking at decades worth of history and applying the odds, just as you would be if you were being honest here.



Then you're being no better than Ray Ray. Congratulations on sinking that low.

While I certainly am not looking at this offense without concerns, you must admit most fan bases in this league would gladly take the combination of our QB, RBs and OL.

And of course training camp reports don't guarantee anything, but hearing next to nothing negative about our rookie WRs and TE isn't something that can totally be dismissed.

We had the 3rd highest scoring offense of all time last season. Taking a step back from that doesn't instantly translate into struggling to score points, and if we have to expect the offense to regress based on personnel, then it's only fair to expect the defense to improve based on personnel, possibly negating any difference in the offense from last season.

 

[Demosthenes]

Oh god, here we go. Please consult your crystal ball and tell me:

Hope you don't mind if I chime in.

* Why you assume Gronk won't be back sooner than later.

Because one broken arm and a surgery to repair it has gone on and on and on and on ? How many surgeries is it up to now ? 5 ?

Even when Gronk does come back, and I presume that he will, what kind of game shape will he be in ? How ready will he be to play ? What kind of impact will he have this season ?

* Why Sudfeld's impressive presence is irrelevant.

Because the only thing we've seen has been practice ? Will have to wait until he's seen some action at full game speed to get a better idea ?

* Why Fells' improved showing in camp won't manifest in games.

And Fells is going to replace whom ? Gronk or Ahern ? Isn't he a drop off from either of them ?

* Why Dobson/Boyce/(and possibly) Thompkins can't outperform Lloyd/Branch.

Because rookie WRs usually don't have great first seasons?

*Why Amendola/Edelman can't approximate Welker's production.

Because he never has to this point ?

* Why a revamped offensive scheme dumping (at least temporarily) the two-tight end emphasis won't at least minimize or even fully compensate for Ahern's absence?

Because we don't know that it will ?

I have yet to see any "direct evidence" that the offense will be taking a "step back" because of changes at WR and tight end.

The "direct evidence" is that just about the entire WR and TE corps has been replaced. That takes KNOWN quantities and replaces them with largely UNKNOWN quantities.


Now, it's very possible that everything you listed up in the bullet points MIGHT be true and the offense might just go on clicking. BUT, that's a whole bunch of presumptions.

 

[supafly]

Yes it would,but you could still have a losing road record and win this division and a 3 or more likely a 4 seed so no one will talk about a 3-5 road record if they end up wearing division hats and shirts again.

I really see Houston and Cincinnati as the top 2 teams in the AFC with Denver and New England right behind......yes,I said the surprising Bungles who have an improving D and AJ Green is going to have a monster year and Dalton should have a decent season as well

Well, I made the wrong choice of going against your Cincy pick last season when they had a losing record, so I'm not making that same mistake twice.

I am hoping that a 3-5 road record isn't in the works though. That would be disheartening to say the least.

 

[Tunescribe]

I'm not really assuming anything. I'm looking at decades worth of history and applying the odds, just as you would be if you were being honest here.

This is lunacy. You have no idea how the retooled offense has been schemed or how it's going to perform. Why don't you respond to my specific examples instead of making vague references to "history" and "the odds"?

Then you're being no better than Ray Ray. Congratulations on sinking that low.

Totally uncalled for.

 

[belichick010405]

Hope you don't mind if I chime in.

The "direct evidence" is that just about the entire WR and TE corps has been replaced. That takes KNOWN quantities and replaces them with largely UNKNOWN quantities.

Has our quarterback been replaced? Until Tom Brady is replaced, this offense will strum along quite nicely.

 

[JMC00]

 

[Deus Irae]

While I certainly am not looking at this offense without concerns, you must admit most fan bases in this league would gladly take the combination of our QB, RBs and OL.

And of course training camp reports don't guarantee anything, but hearing next to nothing negative about our rookie WRs and TE isn't something that can totally be dismissed.

We had the 3rd highest scoring offense of all time last season. Taking a step back from that doesn't instantly translate into struggling to score points, and if we have to expect the offense to regress based on personnel, then it's only fair to expect the defense to improve based on personnel, possibly negating any difference in the offense from last season.

It's a QB league, so of course most fan bases would take the Patriots' offense. That's not what Tunes' rant was about though, nor was that what my response was about. Tunes is generally a solid poster, but he went full Ray Ray19 on us here.

Never go full Ray Ray19.