Patriots Injury News Mike Reiss Provides Clarity on Jacas' Absence

[mayoclinic]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/49046571/why-new-england-patriots-gabe-jacas-contract-absent-team

A labrum, foot, hamstring, and knee scope for "cleanup". But medically cleared.

 

[Uptown]

 

[Joey007]

As gross as this situation has been, this would not be the first time rookie negotiations were messy with a player. Happens sometimes.

Not gonna write this guy’s career off yet here over this deal. Get him signed by camp and get him going. That all being said, we should get a veteran presence on the edge.

 

[Wozzy]

People were panicking over Tre Henderson not being here at this time last year. Get Jacas healthy first. If he is missing camp then there will be reason for concern.

 

[Ian]

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[PatsWickedPissah]

I agree with Ian!

 

[Ian]

I agree with Ian!

LOL just a placeholder while I moved @mayoclinic 's post into its own thread as it's definitely newsworthy and was buried in the other megathread.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

"One factor behind #Patriots rookie DE Gabe Jacas’ absence is that he is not being given a standard “participation agreement” by the team, per
@MikeReiss
.“Most draft picks receive such an agreement, which states that if they were to sustain an injury prior to signing their first NFL contract, the team would still be obligated to sign him to a contract based on the slot he was drafted.”

That sounds very shady from the team.

 

[Betterthanmost]

"One factor behind #Patriots rookie DE Gabe Jacas’ absence is that he is not being given a standard “participation agreement” by the team, per
@MikeReiss
.“Most draft picks receive such an agreement, which states that if they were to sustain an injury prior to signing their first NFL contract, the team would still be obligated to sign him to a contract based on the slot he was drafted.”

That sounds very shady from the team.

Why do such a thing, just sends bad mojo over the whole team. You picked the guy after clearing him. Do the right thing if this is indeed the case.

 

[TommyD4207]

"One factor behind #Patriots rookie DE Gabe Jacas’ absence is that he is not being given a standard “participation agreement” by the team, per
@MikeReiss
.“Most draft picks receive such an agreement, which states that if they were to sustain an injury prior to signing their first NFL contract, the team would still be obligated to sign him to a contract based on the slot he was drafted.”

That sounds very shady from the team.

Typical Kraft directive of nitpicking over pennies.
It's all so tiresome. The franchise is valued at 9 billion dollars.

 

[mayoclinic]

We'll have to wait and see how this one plays out, but some thoughts:

1. No need to panic.

2. That said, it seems odd that the team would aggressively trade up for a player with multiple medical issues, then let him get behind on his learning curve.

3. Clearly Jacas shouldn't have been participating in activities if he was post surgical procedure (knee scope) and not physically ready. The other issues (labrum, stress fracture, hamstring) should not have affected him. I'm not sure why he couldn't have been signed and present as a limited participant.

4. If Gabas' medical issues are a factor in his contract negotiations, especially if the Pats are trying to low-ball his guaranteed money, that us bad. Why trade up for a player if you believe he is damaged goods?

My main take from this is a loss of confidence in the Pats' medical team.

 

[SlowGettingUp]

“Most draft picks receive such an agreement, which states that if they were to sustain an injury prior to signing their first NFL contract, the team would still be obligated to sign him to a contract based on the slot he was drafted.”

That sounds very shady from the team.

Issue might be that there wasn't full disclosure. So perhaps Pats are saying - we'll give you a guarantee, but not if the injury is pre-existing (and perhaps not fully disclosed). And the "participation agreement" would have to spell out exactly what the contract is that he'd get were he to be injured prior to signing, so that can't be signed either.
My guess is the Pats are waiting for a medical before specifying the terms of any guarantee.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Too early to freak out. If he's still out during training camp is when you can sound the alarms.

 

[JMC00]

Actually saw people ragebait dooming about how his season is over because he's behind. Team had a handful of practices. Training camp doesn't start for another 40 days. Season doesn't start for 90 says. If he can't learn the playbook for an OLB/DE in the time training camp start to when the season starts that's a bigger issue than him being PUP'd and not signed in mid-June

He's also a pass rusher, I get he needs to know some stuff playbook wise but majority of the time his 1 and only assignment will be to get to the QB.

Were people this doomy about Henderson not being signed until days before training camp started?

 

[tuckeverlasting]

why ***** about not giving him a participation contract now when he probably can't participate now ? wait til he's ready. oh that's right...it's massholia.

 

[Ross12]

Issue might be that there wasn't full disclosure. So perhaps Pats are saying - we'll give you a guarantee, but not if the injury is pre-existing (and perhaps not fully disclosed). And the "participation agreement" would have to spell out exactly what the contract is that he'd get were he to be injured prior to signing, so that can't be signed either.
My guess is the Pats are waiting for a medical before specifying the terms of any guarantee.

Basically this.

He’s not yet signed because of the medical, and hasn’t received his participation agreement because the injury existed prior to even entertaining such an agreement. You can’t receive a participation agreement about “if you get injured while practicing” if you’re already injured and incapable of participating.

If this was a known injury and the team knew he wasn’t going to contribute for a while, and knew all of that when they drafted him, I don’t think this would be much of an issue. Whether there was a failure to disclose or something, hard to say, but it seems sensible to just wait for several reasons - his injury issues won’t keep him out much longer and he plays a position that can ramp up and be utilized relatively quickly. It’s easier to be a rookie DE than a rookie WR or TE, etc.

He would’ve been a rotational player anyway so I’m not fretting over it too much yet. If he’s still missing come August then it’s a concern.

 

[n1997y]

Basically this.

He’s not yet signed because of the medical, and hasn’t received his participation agreement because the injury existed prior to even entertaining such an agreement. You can’t receive a participation agreement about “if you get injured while practicing” if you’re already injured and incapable of participating.

If this was a known injury and the team knew he wasn’t going to contribute for a while, and knew all of that when they drafted him, I don’t think this would be much of an issue. Whether there was a failure to disclose or something, hard to say, but it seems sensible to just wait for several reasons - his injury issues won’t keep him out much longer and he plays a position that can ramp up and be utilized relatively quickly. It’s easier to be a rookie DE than a rookie WR or TE, etc.

He would’ve been a rotational player anyway so I’m not fretting over it too much yet. If he’s still missing come August then it’s a concern.

I agree. On top of what you said, I’m assuming the procedure was scheduled after he’d had his visas and evaluations but before the draft. So one question is, does he need to broadcast to the entire NFL, in other words the entire world, that he had a routine knee ‘scope? He can’t know what teams might be planning to draft him, teams play that close to the vest, so selective notification won’t work. Is he really expected to broadcast his negative health details in advance of the draft?

It’s much ado about nothing. Downstream consequences from a failure to communicate. No big deal.

 

[Raccoonsuit]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/49046571/why-new-england-patriots-gabe-jacas-contract-absent-team

A labrum, foot, hamstring, and knee scope for "cleanup". But medically cleared.

Haha, right? I was reading the article yesterday and reiss starts going into his medicals...OK, I thought it was his knee that had an issue.

Oh its his hamstring that is keeping him out of practice!

Wait his labrum?

Oh wait he has a stress fracture that could get worse?!?



Bro, you got a laundry list of **** ****ed up. Why is your agent telling you to hold out? I saw an article earlier this week that said he was holding out cause he wanted to get the highest % of guaranteed money that a 2nd rounder has got. Dude....

 

[mayoclinic]

It's not clear if Jacas is asking for more, or the Patriots for less, because all of the medical issues.

Very messy, overall.

 

[Steve102]

Typical Kraft directive of nitpicking over pennies.
It's all so tiresome. The franchise is valued at 9 billion dollars.

Why do you assume it's Kraft nitpicking? Do you see any of the "behind the scenes" videos of this team for, I dunno, the last 25 years? There's nothing in any of of those that lead one to believe that he has anything other than a 30,000 foot view of the day to day ops of the team.

Blame the kid's dopey agents.