Matt Patricia no longer employed by the Pats.

[1960Pats]

Giving someone an opportunity is not setting him up for failure. There is no way that BB would have made the move if he thought that it would go so badly. BB's failure was thinking that MP could be successful as an OC. At least MP has enough credibility on the defensive side of the ball that he should be able to find another job.

I think that move was made for financial reasons and ironically it looks like it may cost Patricia in the end. After the clown show that we had on offense here I doubt that he ever sees the kind of money he was making.

So either Bill was trying to save money while waiting for BOB and didn't think it would matter much or he actually thought that Patricia could run the offense. In either case it's Bill deserves any criticism he receives

 

[1960Pats]

Because there isn’t anyone you want to hire long term available, and you don’t want to hire someone knowing you will fire them after a year when your guy becomes available. I think he expected that Judge would end up as OC for the season, but saw his interactions with the offense in the off-season and decided against it, leaving Patricia as the sacrificial lamb. I don’t think anyone likes how it turned out, but it’s pretty clear he was waiting on O’Brien, as I don’t think he even interviewed anyone else for the position. And that’s coming from someone who didn’t want O’ Brien.

If it's true that B&B wanted to wait for BOB then they should have hired an actual OC. It's not like they can't afford it. Instead they went the cheap route and turned the season into a step backwards. Nobody in their right mind thinks that what they did was best for the team. What they did was best for their pocketbooks.

 

[1960Pats]

The article actually says CURRAN THINKS he is done here. His contract is up but many rumors say he would be welcomed back so there is more to come on this.

Something happened to Patricia when he became the HC of the Lions. He turned into an egotistical jerk and had some serious problems with the way he treated players. Those changes showed their ugly face when he returned here. Between him and Judge the team didn't stand a chance on offense and they looked it.

 

[Sicilian]

If it's true that B&B wanted to wait for BOB then they should have hired an actual OC. It's not like they can't afford it. Instead they went the cheap route and turned the season into a step backwards. Nobody in their right mind thinks that what they did was best for the team. What they did was best for their pocketbooks.

Whenever I see this argument, I always say give me a name. Who would you have brought in for one year, that was available last year? Adam Gase? Promote Nick Caley who just had to take a lateral move to LA? Which young up and coming assistant coach would you have promoted from outside the organization? People always say, "Just get an OC!" but I never see anyone actually bring a name to the table.

The Patricia experiment failed. There's no arguing that. But it's not the first time BB has done something unconventional that people railed against that worked, so the whole "Everyone knew this was bad for the team" thing just doesn't hold water for me. It sucked, I'm glad it's over. But no one ever says who they should have brought in instead.

Now, where the REAL criticism that I agree with comes in: For whatever reason, they just were not prepared for McDaniels to leave with all the coaches he did. Maybe they liked Mick Lombardi as the OC in waiting, and read the tea leaves wrong on whether he'd jump ship with Josh. Maybe they completed whiffed on McDaniels himself, thinking he wasn't going to get a HC job this season. Whatever the reason, they were uncharacteristically flat footed on an OC succession plan, and it cost them.

But I'll never get behind the "they're just cheap" narrative. It never holds up when talking about players, and it doesn't make sense for the coaches either. Especially when we'd be talking about salary differences of about 500k.

 

[p8ryts]

Whenever I see this argument, I always say give me a name. Who would you have brought in for one year, that was available last year? Adam Gase? Promote Nick Caley who just had to take a lateral move to LA? Which young up and coming assistant coach would you have promoted from outside the organization? People always say, "Just get an OC!" but I never see anyone actually bring a name to the table.

The Patricia experiment failed. There's no arguing that. But it's not the first time BB has done something unconventional that people railed against that worked, so the whole "Everyone knew this was bad for the team" thing just doesn't hold water for me. It sucked, I'm glad it's over. But no one ever says who they should have brought in instead.

Now, where the REAL criticism that I agree with comes in: For whatever reason, they just were not prepared for McDaniels to leave with all the coaches he did. Maybe they liked Mick Lombardi as the OC in waiting, and read the tea leaves wrong on whether he'd jump ship with Josh. Maybe they completed whiffed on McDaniels himself, thinking he wasn't going to get a HC job this season. Whatever the reason, they were uncharacteristically flat footed on an OC succession plan, and it cost them.

But I'll never get behind the "they're just cheap" narrative. It never holds up when talking about players, and it doesn't make sense for the coaches either. Especially when we'd be talking about salary differences of about 500k.

Patricia was the painted bird. Everything was blamed on him. Some of you castigate him for actions promoted by media. I have zero knowledge of what went on behind the scenes. I did see players failing to do their jobs during games. A flawed team still had an opportunity to win 10-12 games. The fact that they didn't is not all Patricia's fault. Last year was last year. I would like to look ahead and stop focusing on something that can't be changed. We have new coaches, we'll get some new players, and just maybe we'll get back to Patriots football. I'm done with last season and now it's the first third of the next season. Potential FA's, draft choices, and the draft itself.

 

[1960Pats]

Why would Belichick care what assistant coaches are paid. It’s not his money.

It is if Kraft gives him an overall budget that includes everything. That was the talk a while back and it makes perfect sense in this case. Bill added two coaches who didn't get a dime from the Pats and that savings could have been money in his pocket. Maybe his kids' too.

 

[1960Pats]

Whenever I see this argument, I always say give me a name. Who would you have brought in for one year, that was available last year? Adam Gase? Promote Nick Caley who just had to take a lateral move to LA? Which young up and coming assistant coach would you have promoted from outside the organization? People always say, "Just get an OC!" but I never see anyone actually bring a name to the table.

The Patricia experiment failed. There's no arguing that. But it's not the first time BB has done something unconventional that people railed against that worked, so the whole "Everyone knew this was bad for the team" thing just doesn't hold water for me. It sucked, I'm glad it's over. But no one ever says who they should have brought in instead.

Now, where the REAL criticism that I agree with comes in: For whatever reason, they just were not prepared for McDaniels to leave with all the coaches he did. Maybe they liked Mick Lombardi as the OC in waiting, and read the tea leaves wrong on whether he'd jump ship with Josh. Maybe they completed whiffed on McDaniels himself, thinking he wasn't going to get a HC job this season. Whatever the reason, they were uncharacteristically flat footed on an OC succession plan, and it cost them.

But I'll never get behind the "they're just cheap" narrative. It never holds up when talking about players, and it doesn't make sense for the coaches either. Especially when we'd be talking about salary differences of about 500k.

It's not my job to fill those positions. It's Bill's and he's extremely well paid for it. If he didn't have any ideas then shame on him, not on me or any of the other fans that pay the freight.

Give me an example of fans railing against a move by Bill that worked. This one didn't. Neither did 4th and 2 or benching Butler in the SB. He also took his players heads out of a playoff game vs the Jets when he benched Welker at the start of the game for making jokes.

It wasn't just McDaniels that Bill wasn't ready to replace. The same thing happened at other positions, only those were impact players and not merely coaches, all lost because of money.

From what I've read and heard, in real money spent the Pats are near the bottom of the league. And we have no idea how much Bill or any of the coaches are making. That works in keeping the criticism to the players and not the good old boys on the sideline.

 

[1960Pats]

Patricia was the painted bird. Everything was blamed on him. Some of you castigate him for actions promoted by media. I have zero knowledge of what went on behind the scenes. I did see players failing to do their jobs during games. A flawed team still had an opportunity to win 10-12 games. The fact that they didn't is not all Patricia's fault. Last year was last year. I would like to look ahead and stop focusing on something that can't be changed. We have new coaches, we'll get some new players, and just maybe we'll get back to Patriots football. I'm done with last season and now it's the first third of the next season. Potential FA's, draft choices, and the draft itself.

This is exactly what Bill had in mind from the beginning when he wouldn't disclose which coach was doing which job. This way forces fans to criticize the players but not the coaches.
Anyone who didn't see that last year's pathetic offense was a coaching problem and not a player problem is as blind as a bat.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

It is if Kraft gives him an overall budget that includes everything. That was the talk a while back and it makes perfect sense in this case. Bill added two coaches who didn't get a dime from the Pats and that savings could have been money in his pocket. Maybe his kids' too.

That is not how budgets at Kraft Entertainment work. If you do not understand that is OK, but spare as your guesses and conjecture.

 

[Ring 6]

Something happened to Patricia when he became the HC of the Lions. He turned into an egotistical jerk and had some serious problems with the way he treated players. Those changes showed their ugly face when he returned here. Between him and Judge the team didn't stand a chance on offense and they looked it.

I wouldn’t begin to judge someone’s personality that I have ever met by snippets from people who didn’t get along with them.

 

[archstanton543]

I wouldn’t begin to judge someone’s personality that I have ever met by snippets from people who didn’t get along with them.

I dunno but taking your Super Bowl rings in on Day 1 of team meetings and flashing them around is tone deaf, at best.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Why?

They have been here a long time... Steve has a decades worth of coaching experience, Brian has 6 years in the system... both have done their jobs well over the years they have been here... In fact the safeties under Brian have done really well...

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Steve in particular gets overmatched by better competition. This also falls on Bill as well as the buck stops with him. Competent offenses no longer fear Bill's schemes as you even have former Pats players like Bruschi, Ninkovich, Ted Johnson and Ty Law saying there's no resistance from the defense when there are clear skies and no wind.

Bill is 10-20 against teams .500 or better since 2020.

 

[Pape]

Steve in particular gets overmatched by better competition. This also falls on Bill as well as the buck stops with him. Competent offenses no longer fear Bill's schemes as you even have former Pats players like Bruschi, Ninkovich, Ted Johnson and Ty Law saying there's no resistance from the defense when there are clear skies and no wind.

Bill is 10-20 against teams .500 or better since 2020.

For the most part we've been losing the ToP battle vs better teams... Averaging roughly 21 fumbles and 14 ints, and way too many blocked punts over those years... Thats putting more pressure than necessary on the defense... We need to do better on both sides, but I don't see the defense as being the real issue facing this team... It could always be better though...

and I must have missed all those dire warnings about clear skies...

 

[cmasspatsfan]

It is if Kraft gives him an overall budget that includes everything. That was the talk a while back and it makes perfect sense in this case. Bill added two coaches who didn't get a dime from the Pats and that savings could have been money in his pocket. Maybe his kids' too.

Then that's on Kraft not BB, if he has to work on the confines of a budget, he has to allocate that as efficient as he can.

 

[Real fan 02]

Why?

They have been here a long time... Steve has a decades worth of coaching experience, Brian has 6 years in the system... both have done their jobs well over the years they have been here... In fact the safeties under Brian have done really well...

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Absolutely the safety position is one of the best position groups on the team..

Steven and Brian are good coaches..

 

[Real fan 02]

Then that's on Kraft not BB, if he has to work on the confines of a budget, he has to allocate that as efficient as he can.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

I know all that but if RK sets a budget BB has to work with that budget.

 

[Real fan 02]

I know all that but if RK sets a budget BB has to work with that budget.

Agreed! I tried to make mention of that to a dilluisonal poster on here..

Every coach is given a budget in most cases it's set by the GM.. however BB is the GM so Kraft sets it..

The pay scale is typically why coaches left over the years according to Curran.

Most recently Caley, who left for the rams for the same position making 3x what he was here..

 

[Stu Pidassle]

The pay scale is typically why coaches left over the years according to Curran.

Most recently Caley, who left for the rams for the same position making 3x what he was here..

While there may be some merit to Pats not paying coaches as much as other teams, I am not sure that this is a big deal. Curran seems to like tweaking BB any chance he gets, most coaches left for promotions not money. Caley is the exception of a coach that left for a lateral role. It is a bit misleading to compare the money from his previous contract when he was a junior coach to his new contract paying him as an established coach. Who knows if the Pats offered him a raise or decided to move on when he didn't get the OC role.

 

[Real fan 02]

While there may be some merit to Pats not paying coaches as much as other teams, I am not sure that this is a big deal. Curran seems to like tweaking BB any chance he gets, most coaches left for promotions not money. Caley is the exception of a coach that left for a lateral role. It is a bit misleading to compare the money from his previous contract when he was a junior coach to his new contract paying him as an established coach. Who knows if the Pats offered him a raise or decided to move on when he didn't get the OC role.

Yes and very sensible what your mentioning. Caley from all accounts was approached with the play caller position reportedly he turned it down as he wouldn't be given the actual title.. average salary for OCs is about 1 million I doubt very seriously he is making anywhere close to that while here..