Matt Patricia no longer employed by the Pats.

[archstanton543]

How many of them had you ever heard of before that day? Wondering if there's maybe something going on in the disinfo sphere there?
The 'kingsofbostonsports' site linked to kick off this bad faith craptastic thread is sketchy, whether it's by design or ineptitude is the question. I'm not normally inclined to discount Hanlon's Razor but...

Triumph started another thread by the same website that Bob Kraft was quoted as saying he would trade Mac "over his dead body" when it was Curran who said that while speculating.

That thread was deleted.

 

[Ring 6]

It wasn't the case.

It certainly was a one year plan

 

[Sicilian]

The reason he claims he isn't big on titles all has to do the $$$$.. the title is what brings the OC or DC the pay..

So by him not Naming titles he won't have them pay them the average salary whatever that may be..

I'm not convinced of this. If a guy really deserved the title (and the money), and the Pats refused to give it to them, they would go to an organization that would. Pats can't block promotions. And other than Patricia this past year (which was clearly a cluserf**k all around), the only other times they haven't given someone the OC/DC title was McDaniels for one year, and Flores for one year, plus the current situation with Mayo/Steve B (which doesn't seem to be causing either of them any distress, AND they just gave Mayo a raise, so money doesn't appear to be an issue there.)

But this philosophy people claim the Pats have didn't affect Weiss or Crennel. It didn't affect Dean Pees or Matt Patricia. It didn't affect McDaniels on his second stint here. And it didn't affect Bill O'Brien either time. It's an overblown issue, IMO. When a guy is ready, he gets the title.

 

[archstanton543]

It certainly was a one year plan

No, it wasn't. The long-term plan was to have a new offense (or at least a tweaked offense) installed by Matt and Judge. That flamed out as we all saw. Then they had to come up with a new long-term plan of having BoB come back.

If the Matt/Judge thing was successful, that tandem would still be in charge of the offense. That's the thing with the "BoB was the plan all along" crowd is that you don't consider what would have happened if the 2022 offense wasn't a failure. Lets say that is wasn't and the Pats win another 2-3 or even 4 games and make it to the playoffs and even win one game. Do you think that BB would still stick with the BoB plan if the season was a (relative) success or would he stick with what worked?

 

[maust]

Triumph started another thread by the same website that Bob Kraft was quoted as saying he would trade Mac "over his dead body" when it was Curran who said that while speculating.

That thread was deleted.

It appears that the first post in this thread has since been mod edited to exorcise the bogus website.
Curioser and curiouser

 

[Real fan 02]

Definitely agree, however the reali

Really?? Following BB for a while now it seems as though he always believed that any coach can coach any position or group. He was wrong here, but even though he was can never lose respect for him. Last year was a bad year for him and the Pats, but he has taken steps to insure that this team can get back to focusing on better days.

I'm not convinced of this. If a guy really deserved the title (and the money), and the Pats refused to give it to them, they would go to an organization that would. Pats can't block promotions. And other than Patricia this past year (which was clearly a cluserf**k all around), the only other times they haven't given someone the OC/DC title was McDaniels for one year, and Flores for one year, plus the current situation with Mayo/Steve B (which doesn't seem to be causing either of them any distress, AND they just gave Mayo a raise, so money doesn't appear to be an issue there.)

But this philosophy people claim the Pats have didn't affect Weiss or Crennel. It didn't affect Dean Pees or Matt Patricia. It didn't affect McDaniels on his second stint here. And it didn't affect Bill O'Brien either time. It's an overblown issue, IMO. When a guy is ready, he gets the title.

Well I can say this.. actions tell everything.. we as fans can choose to believe what we're we may so choose..

Weiss and crennel are from the Parcells era, so they had pedigree.. what I'm trying to say is go look up what a good OC makes or DC.. in those positions you are in charge of that side of the ball.. essentially your the coach of offense or defense.. OCs and DCs aren't coaching for 200k a year.. the better your offense is or your defense the better your salary..

So all I'm saying is that is my theory when it comes to the patriots maybe it's true maybe it's not.. it's just a theory based on why exactly BB won't give coaches titles.

 

[Real fan 02]

I'm not convinced of this. If a guy really deserved the title (and the money), and the Pats refused to give it to them, they would go to an organization that would. Pats can't block promotions. And other than Patricia this past year (which was clearly a cluserf**k all around), the only other times they haven't given someone the OC/DC title was McDaniels for one year, and Flores for one year, plus the current situation with Mayo/Steve B (which doesn't seem to be causing either of them any distress, AND they just gave Mayo a raise, so money doesn't appear to be an issue there.)

But this philosophy people claim the Pats have didn't affect Weiss or Crennel. It didn't affect Dean Pees or Matt Patricia. It didn't affect McDaniels on his second stint here. And it didn't affect Bill O'Brien either time. It's an overblown issue, IMO. When a guy is ready, he gets the title.

This Information backs my theory...

 

[Real fan 02]

This Information backs my theory...

No, it wasn't. The long-term plan was to have a new offense (or at least a tweaked offense) installed by Matt and Judge. That flamed out as we all saw. Then they had to come up with a new long-term plan of having BoB come back.

If the Matt/Judge thing was successful, that tandem would still be in charge of the offense. That's the thing with the "BoB was the plan all along" crowd is that you don't consider what would have happened if the 2022 offense wasn't a failure. Lets say that is wasn't and the Pats win another 2-3 or even 4 games and make it to the playoffs and even win one game. Do you think that BB would still stick with the BoB plan if the season was a (relative) success or would he stick with what worked?

I just answered another poster and backed up my theory... average salary for OCs and DCs is 1 million, however that's the starting point.. a good OC or DC could be up to 4,4 million McDaniels was a making about 3 million here..

He cares every bit about titles! Last I checked his title of coach/GM nets him about 27 million annually.

 

[Ring 6]

No, it wasn't. The long-term plan was to have a new offense (or at least a tweaked offense) installed by Matt and Judge. That flamed out as we all saw. Then they had to come up with a new long-term plan of having BoB come back.

If the Matt/Judge thing was successful, that tandem would still be in charge of the offense. That's the thing with the "BoB was the plan all along" crowd is that you don't consider what would have happened if the 2022 offense wasn't a failure. Lets say that is wasn't and the Pats win another 2-3 or even 4 games and make it to the playoffs and even win one game. Do you think that BB would still stick with the BoB plan if the season was a (relative) success or would he stick with what worked?

No

 

[Real fan 02]

We have always been what some would consider bend don’t break, we just don’t bend when we have more talent. Our scheme ALWAYS prioritizes not allowing big plays.
No defense is conservative all the time or aggressive all the time.

I'd agree with that.. but what I've noticed is when we had those season without lock down corners we played zone.. the assante Samuel and ellis Hobbs days..

We were always a dam good Defense, but just not a blitz happy, aggressive attack style.

The QBs today are too good to play that wait, and let them make a mistake mentally.. me personally we'd fare better attacking and keep offenses off balance..

But your right the average NFL defenses are that way kinda bend defense..

The elite defenses :

Jets
49ers
Patriots
Bengals
Eagles

This past season all were attacking defenses .... to name a few.

 

[Real fan 02]

He doesn’t care about assistant coach pay

I wouldn't be so sure... Caley left for the same position for far more money... he cares!

 

[Real fan 02]

I certainly don’t think that was his intention, but he’s still responsible for it.

Agreed I certainly don't believe coach intended this. It was decision he made he knew it didn't work out, and felt he couldn't change anything so may as well let the year play out.. not trying to bash coach at all.

But the greater damage was regressing Mac, and you gained nothing this past season for your franchise.

 

[Ring 6]

I wouldn't be so sure... Caley left for the same position for far more money... he cares!

Why would Belichick care what assistant coaches are paid. It’s not his money.

 

[Ring 6]

I'd agree with that.. but what I've noticed is when we had those season without lock down corners we played zone.. the assante Samuel and ellis Hobbs days..

We were always a dam good Defense, but just not a blitz happy, aggressive attack style.

The QBs today are too good to play that wait, and let them make a mistake mentally.. me personally we'd fare better attacking and keep offenses off balance..

But your right the average NFL defenses are that way kinda bend defense..

The elite defenses :

Jets
49ers
Patriots
Bengals
Eagles

This past season all were attacking defenses .... to name a few.

Those are not attacking defenses. You are conflating good defense with attacking

 

[Tunescribe]

It appears that the first post in this thread has since been mod edited to exorcise the bogus website.
Curioser and curiouser

Hopefully the next step is exorcising the bogus poster, Triumph.

 

[Real fan 02]

Those are not attacking defenses. You are conflating good defense with attacking

How many sacks did judon and uche have? Look that up and then message me back.. he didn't get that standing around guessing what QBs will do.. how many pick 6s did we have? So to me that's attacking not bend but don't break.

 

[Real fan 02]

Why would Belichick care what assistant coaches are paid. It’s not his money.

BB has a staff budget, he has to stay within that budget.. just like the salary cap for players... so he does care.. that was even more defined by having judge and Patricia back at the expense of the Giants and lions paying their salaries... and why was that.... Per NFL rules if a coach that was fired during the respective contract period the new team employing them if named a coordinator that team then assumes thier salaries.


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[VJCPatriot]

The experiment is finally OVER! Rejoice!



Look I honestly thought MP was going to get kicked up to a front office position, that BB would find a way to keep him around.

But let's be clear, he belongs nowhere NEAR our group of offensive coaches or players.

If Patricia isn't willing to accept that type of role, then good riddance.

It's still pretty likely that Patricia will be able to find a job in the XFL or maybe dupe some other NFL team into hiring him so I'm not exactly worried about where his next meal is coming from.

 

[Real fan 02]

It appears that the first post in this thread has since been mod edited to exorcise the bogus website.
Curioser and curiouser

Even when you provide the fact, posters still refute it.. lol

 

[Real fan 02]

The experiment is finally OVER! Rejoice!



Look I honestly thought MP was going to get kicked up to a front office position, that BB would find a way to keep him around.

But let's be clear, he belongs nowhere NEAR our group of offensive coaches or players.

If Patricia isn't willing to accept that type of role, then good riddance.

It's still pretty likely that Patricia will be able to find a job in the XFL or maybe dupe some other NFL team into hiring him so I'm not exactly worried about where his next meal is coming from.

Some defenses attack to cover weaknesses.

Who was the weakness in the Seahawks attacking defense especially in the superbowl against Broncos? 2013-2014 season?