If the Pats trade Garappolo for Cleveland's #12 overall, who do you pick ?

[scott99]

I've seen a lot of mock drafts, and I see WR Corey Davis in the 12-16 range. I really feel if the Pats got him, this offense would be unstoppable. Also saw one mock with Cleveland landing TE OJ Howard at #12, wouldn't mind that either since that may be a major need as well.

Who would you pick at #12 if the trade happens ?

 

[fightingirish595]

Derek Barnett

 

[Uptown]

Rueben Foster
Johnathan Allen
Taco Charlton
Malik McDowell
Myles Garrett
Solomon Thomas

...basically Front 7 first

 

[patfanken]

C'mon Scott. a WR that high (or at least high for the Pats)?????? Haven't you learned ANYTHING over the last 17 years.????????? No, look at what's available among the pass rushing DE's, DT's or OLB's. There's even an outside chance for a CB, because that class is supposed to be talented and deep this season. Maybe he falls in love with one of them.

As for OJ Howard, Gronk is coming back and is under contract for the next 3 seasons. He also has played in 80% of the possible regular season games, so, while injury is a worry for every player, if Gronk gets to play in 80% of games the next 3 years, I'll take that. ans so would everyone else. It would mean the Pats were getting a lot of wins in those years.

 

[BobDigital]

The only players I pick at 12 are. Foster - ILB, Davis - WR (though I would strongly prefer Foster and perhaps still trade down if Davis is there).

Anyone else is a trade down for me. Not that they are bad players just not enough to make me want to use this pick when this draft is so loaded in the first 70 picks.

Thomas/Barnett are very interesting but I think you can get someone good enough at 32 or after your trade down and are in the 20s so feel horrible about missing them.

Foster is clearly the #1 LB in this draft though and it is a need position and he is going to be really good. Also I don't care much for WRs much but Davis to me will be a top 10 WR in this league and the idea of such a guy with Brady does interest me.

 

[shmessy]

I trade down. Some for this year, some for next. Unless Foster is still on the board.

 

[LT85]

Solomon Thomas. Him and flowers together? Watch out!

 

[scott99]

The only players I pick at 12 are. Foster - ILB, Davis - WR (though I would strongly prefer Foster and perhaps still trade down if he is there)

Anyone else is a trade down for me. Not that they are bad players just not enough to make me want to use this pick when this draft is so loaded in the first 70 picks.

The trade down thought crossed my mind as well. I can imagine a trade down to #20ish and pick up an extra 2nd round pick, that's the Belichick thing to do.

As far as the WR Davis, I'm thinking about the future here as well. I'm worried about the longevity of Edelman and Amendola (both gonna be in their 30's), as well as their contracts run out soon. I can see Mitchell being a slot replacement someday soon, and then you have Hogan and Davis on the outside. When you have the #12 pick and are coming off of a SB win, this is a luxury pick and a swing at a home run. Still have #32 and picks after that to address the front 7.

Same goes with OJ Howard, am I worried about the injuries with Gronk, hell yeah, plus you can pretty much wave goodbye to Bennett, he wants a big contract. So just like in the SB, your #2 TE is Matt Lengel.

That was my thought process.

 

[BobDigital]

The trade down thought crossed my mind as well. I can imagine a trade down to #20ish and pick up an extra 2nd round pick, that's the Belichick thing to do.

As far as the WR Davis, I'm thinking about the future here as well. I'm worried about the longevity of Edelman and Amendola (both gonna be in their 30's), as well as their contracts run out soon. I can see Mitchell being a slot replacement someday soon, and then you have Hogan and Davis on the outside. When you have the #12 pick and are coming off of a SB win, this is a luxury pick and a swing at a home run. Still have #32 and picks after that to address the front 7.

Same goes with OJ Howard, am I worried about the injuries with Gronk, hell yeah, plus you can pretty much wave goodbye to Bennett, he wants a big contract. So just like in the SB, your #2 TE is Matt Lengel.

That was my thought process.

I get 100% what you say and I agree Davis is the rare WR I consider doing it for.

 

[nabwong]

We are loaded at WR. Well, not in the traditional sense but we have Hogan and Mitchell for multiple years. Floyd and dola as options and Jules. We might go after a project WR but not in the 1st.

We need a tackle badly. And a DE. Then LB and DB and RB.

Priority should be protecting brady.

 

[Wilfork#75]

For me the #12 pick could be a really tricky spot. There is a chance one of the top tier players could fall and I would jump at the opportunity to take them. But there is also the chance that the top tier guys are all gone and the best value would be to trade down.

The clear top tier for me (accounting for position) is:
1. Myles Garrett- Texas A&M
2. Jonathan Allen- Alabama
3a. Jamal Adams- LSU
3b. Reuben Foster- Alabama
5. Solomon Thomas- Stanford
6. Malik Hooker- OSU

If any of these guys are there at 12 I run the card up, especially Adams and Foster who I love.

After those guys things get tricky. Leonard Fournette who is arguably one of the top 2 talents in this draft didn't make my top tier because of the value of RB's, but would he be too good to pass up here? I think there are some CB's worthy of the pick but there is so much depth and talent at the position I don't know if taking one that high is the best value. I think trading down is probably the best option because I don't see much difference in the talent level between 12-32.

A left field option I would be intrigued by would be to trade back, select OL Forest Lamp from Western Kentucky and convert him to C. Most are projecting him inside to OG but I think he could have a bigger impact on this team at C. While Andrews is serviceable, I think adding a top level C would make a huge difference and help take Thuney and Mason to the next level. Lamp has talked about learning to play inside and wanting to learn to snap to add as much value as possible. I think he would be a great fit.

But if I couldn't trade down and I had to chose a realistic option at 12, I'm probably going to go a little left field and select OT Ryan Ramczyk from Wisconsin (assuming he checks out medically). I would prefer to trade down a few slots to get him but I would have no problem selecting him #12 if needed. In a weak OL class I think Ramczyk is the clear cut top OT and legitimate starting LT in the NFL.

Solder is entering the last year of his contract and would be 30 at the start of a new contract. He has obviously battled some injury/health problems over the past few years so it might be time to look for a replacement. Belichick often drafts a year of two ahead in terms of needs and LT is a position you don't want to be forced to throw a rookie into. Remember we took Solder when Matt Light still had a year left and gave him a chance to develop, I see the same with Ramczyk.

I love his talent level, I love his athleticism. He seems like a hard worker, is well coached and has all the traits to be an excellent LT for the Pats. If he were completely healthy and able to work out at the combine/pro days I think he would rise into a top 10 pick.

 

[English Patriot]

The chance to get a blue chip player is making me salivate

 

[scott99]

Also a lot depends on Davis' showing at the combine, especially in the all important 3 cone drill. Need the quickness (not necessarily straight line speed) in this offense. Davis is not only a freakish talent, he is a player very highly thought of by his coaches (I believe he's a captain), they say nobody works as hard as him. And has also overcome a lot in his youth.



A look at his talent.

 

[patsfan13]

Well when BB has picked that high it has been for a high leverage position for people who are big and fast who BB says are hard to find.

The positions you are talking about are DE/DT (Seymour/Wilfork/Warren), L OT, LB (Mayo), TE

I don't see people at positions other than those.


Who BB selects will tell us where the upgrade/ insurance against reitrement is needed. Don't know anything about CFB players. I'll leave that to BB knowing he will make the best decision.

 

[Froob]

An unknown safety from a small school.

 

[BobDigital]

Also a lot depends on Davis' showing at the combine, especially in the all important 3 cone drill. Need the quickness (not necessarily straight line speed) in this offense. Davis is not only a freakish talent, he is a player very highly thought of by his coaches (I believe he's a captain), they say nobody works as hard as him. And has also overcome a lot in his youth.



A look at his talent.

The comparison has been made a lot but I see Davis as a virtual clone of Demaryius Thomas. He can catch that lateral pass and take it 50 yards but unlike Thomas he has more toughness and I don't think he is a soft player.

My favorite plays are the 2 right after the 1 minute mark. When he takes a short pass and changes field and turns it up. Also the one right after he he turns a 2 yard pass into 82. That is a play the Pats love run a lot and his ability to accelerate in traffic and hit top speed can make those routine plays dangerous.

Another favorite is 1:45. He catches a pass running through a zone D and gets away from everyone trying to close on him including keeping his balancing and using power to escape the last guy.

Another favorite is at 2:17. He gets held badly and instead of looking for a flag fights through it, gets away from it and accelerates to create space and get open.

Plays like that are what I look for much more than beating a guy deep or a broken coverage you take to the house.

This is why he is the best WR in this draft. He is a physical presence that also has the quickness and speed to take a routine play to the house or at least turn it into a big gain. I value that a lot in my WRs and it is why he is my #1 pass catcher in this draft.

Not saying I would take him at 12 but I am not saying I wouldn't either. Also even thinking of taking a WR that high is rare for me. Maybe only 3 or so guys in the last 5 years I had that highly. They were Mike Evans, AJ Green and Julio Jones. I did highly underestimate Beckham though so not like I am perfect on evaluating WRs.

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

IF the Pat's had #12 and IF Ruben Foster was still on the board, I can't see how BB could pass on him.

IF foster was gone, Leonard Fournette added to this offense would basically make the rest of the league quit.

Imagine an offense led by Brady, with Gronk, Fournette, Mitchell, Edelman and then pick your position.

 

[festy1986]

Isn't it obvious that if we have pick number 2 that bill trades it for multiple first in the future?

 

[reflexblue]

C'mon Scott. a WR that high (or at least high for the Pats)?????? Haven't you learned ANYTHING over the last 17 years.????????? No, look at what's available among the pass rushing DE's, DT's or OLB's. There's even an outside chance for a CB, because that class is supposed to be talented and deep this season. Maybe he falls in love with one of them.

As for OJ Howard, Gronk is coming back and is under contract for the next 3 seasons. He also has played in 80% of the possible regular season games, so, while injury is a worry for every player, if Gronk gets to play in 80% of games the next 3 years, I'll take that. ans so would everyone else. It would mean the Pats were getting a lot of wins in those years.

Some people are infatuated with shiny objects.

 

[BobDigital]

Some people are infatuated with shiny objects.

I agree. WRs are one of my least valued positions. Bottom 5 actually (not counting STs)