Goodell plans more expansion of NFL games in London..

[AzorianPats]

Am I the only one that finds the whole NFL obsession with London to be annoying? I don't get it. Football America's game. Why are we bringing it to London during the regular season? I don't see English premier league teams coming here during the middle of there season and playing games. Its just too much of a stretch for me. Then to hear about the whole Jaguars gonna play 2 games a year in the UK is crap. If the Jaguars can't make money in Jacksonville, wait until the Raiders or Rams move to Hollywood, and move the Jaguars to Oregon. The Pacific north west is a hot bed for sports. I'm sure they would love an NFL franchise.

 

[AzorianPats]

It is estimated that the NFL grosses about 6 billion /yr...OK...instead of all these idiotic, harebrained schemes to milk even more coins from the poor , sports starved yokels under every rock on the planet, how about this Mongodell egomaniac and lackeys actually bring tangible, credible issues to the table and work on solutions?

1)Look, spare me the "everyone wants a Bowl in their stadium!!!" nutsense. At 1000 bucks a pop, with half the freakin' seats already spoken for no matter where it's held, I ,personally, don't need to flex my jingoistic Patriot vocal chords screaming out "why not me too!!??'. Make the last game of the year THE perrenial event it should be by building a dedicated Sun Belt stadium.

Mookdell can focus his beady little eyes on booking enough events there year round to pay the friggin' taxes and what you get is a TRUE level playing field in perpetuity to determine the true champion, year after year. You have the same chance of getting a ticket to a Super Bowl in such a place as you do NOW of getting one in Jersey or GB or NE or Buffalo or wherever else this azzhat plans on taking his Zippy the Pinhead circus.
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Now this would never happen, but it would be a great idea. The NFL has enough money to build a stadium in the middle of no where and a city around it. It can host the super bowl every year and stuff like the combine and draft. Not to mention it can be rented out to stuff like concerts, the BCS championship game, final four, soccer events etc. It could be America's Wembley

 

[Tunescribe]

Now this would never happen, but it would be a great idea. The NFL has enough money to build a stadium in the middle of no where and a city around it. It can host the super bowl every year and stuff like the combine and draft. Not to mention it can be rented out to stuff like concerts, the BCS championship game, final four, soccer events etc. It could be America's Wembley

Here's an even better compromise: that city can be built on Atlantis, which the NFL certainly can afford to raise from the depths halfway between here and London.

 

[DarrylS]

I am real old school and a huge believer is Football being played on Sunday afternoons between 1:00 PM EST and ending by 9:00 EST on the same day..

On American soil..

 

[QuantumMechanic]

Goodell needs to go back and read the Tagliabue/Rozelle handbook on being a commissioner. In other words, he needs to make himself less seen, less heard, and lay off of the groundbreakingly horrible ideas.

Why should he, when the owners (you know, his bosses) are fine with how he's being a commissioner and with his ideas? For example, he's pushing this London stuff because the owners want it, and if the owners didn't want it, all this London talk would dry up and go away no matter how much Goodell might personally like it.

Look, I'm not saying you should like him (Lord knows I don't like a lot of what he does), but when you say stuff like what I've quoted you're only proving/acknowledging he's performing excellently in a very important part of his job -- drawing attention and blame away from the owners. If you don't like what Goodell is doing, you need to make the owners feel the pain. b****ing at/about Goodell won't accomplish anything.

 

[Deus Irae]

I don't think you have much of an argument here, Deus. Right or wrong, the Super Bowl is more about "event," "spectacle" and $$$ than the actual game itself. Otherwise, cold-weather teams have done just fine competitively. Since the '70s Vikings I think you'd be hard-pressed to illustrate a trend in that regard. And no, the Bills don't count -- their style of play was not "weather-centric." Pats, Redskins, Broncos, Bears, Steelers, Giants, Packers and Ravens all live where the snow flies and have won it all.

You're certainly welcome to believe that a southern team coming into a Lambeau or Gillette snow storm, for example, wouldn't be at a disadvantage against a northern team. I'll just note it as a point of disagreement for us.

 

[Froob]

Why should saints, colts, bucs, fins, jags, 49ers be basically the only ones who are allowed to get a chance to play at home in the super bowl? Shocked people are mad about this. Or is it just because it's in jersey?

 

[Tunescribe]

Why should he, when the owners (you know, his bosses) are fine with how he's being a commissioner and with his ideas? For example, he's pushing this London stuff because the owners want it, and if the owners didn't want it, all this London talk would dry up and go away no matter how much Goodell might personally like it.

Look, I'm not saying you should like him (Lord knows I don't like a lot of what he does), but when you say stuff like what I've quoted you're only proving/acknowledging he's performing excellently in a very important part of his job -- drawing attention and blame away from the owners. If you don't like what Goodell is doing, you need to make the owners feel the pain. b****ing at/about Goodell won't accomplish anything.

Yes, but Goodell does set policy to an extent and hatch initiatives. I don't know exactly what the endorsement process is among owners but I doubt they vote yay or nay on every single "bright idea" he comes up with. I think he works with a great deal of autonomy within parameters of a broadly defined agenda. He "sets the tone," so to speak, and fancies himself a progressive innovator who's setting groundwork for the game's next 50 years.

I get the feeling that Roger wants to leave his mark and create a legacy for himself, and in the process is tinkering dangerously with the league's very foundation. Another man in the commissioner's shoes could just as well be a traditionalist who sees himself as a steward of the game's preservation, taking a more cautious and conservative approach to rule changes, expansion, etc. That's what I'd like to see. Goodell needs to realize that "more" doesn't always mean "better" for everyone involved, including fans.

 

[Tunescribe]

You're certainly welcome to believe that a southern team coming into a Lambeau or Gillette snow storm, for example, wouldn't be at a disadvantage against a northern team. I'll just note it as a point of disagreement for us.

Here's hoping for a Bucs-Chargers Super Bowl in Lambeau.

 

[supafly]

Why should he, when the owners (you know, his bosses) are fine with how he's being a commissioner and with his ideas? For example, he's pushing this London stuff because the owners want it, and if the owners didn't want it, all this London talk would dry up and go away no matter how much Goodell might personally like it.

Look, I'm not saying you should like him (Lord knows I don't like a lot of what he does), but when you say stuff like what I've quoted you're only proving/acknowledging he's performing excellently in a very important part of his job -- drawing attention and blame away from the owners. If you don't like what Goodell is doing, you need to make the owners feel the pain. b****ing at/about Goodell won't accomplish anything.

I couldn't agree more with Tunescribe's thoughts below, but I also understand what you're getting at too. I happen to think that Goodell is creating one helluva "name" for himself, and is definitely looking to make too many changes to the game.

Just my opinion of course, but I definitely wouldn't be the first person to feel this way.

Yes, but Goodell does set policy to an extent and hatch initiatives. I don't know exactly what the endorsement process is among owners but I doubt they vote yay or nay on every single "bright idea" he comes up with. I think he works with a great deal of autonomy within parameters of a broadly defined agenda. He "sets the tone," so to speak, and fancies himself a progressive innovator who's setting groundwork for the game's next 50 years.

I get the feeling that Roger wants to leave his mark and create a legacy for himself, and in the process is tinkering dangerously with the league's very foundation. Another man in the commissioner's shoes could just as well be a traditionalist who sees himself as a steward of the game's preservation, taking a more cautious and conservative approach to rule changes, expansion, etc. That's what I'd like to see. Goodell needs to realize that "more" doesn't always mean "better" for everyone involved, including fans.

I think you hit it right on the head. When I made the comment that "he needs to go back and read the handbook written by Tagliabue and Rozelle," I simply meant that they were the behind the scenes kind of guys. Roger Goodell has made it a point to be in the media spotlight from day one of his arrival, and isn't going to step out of that light any time soon.

 

[Joker]

Roger Goodell has made it a point to be in the media spotlight from day one of his arrival, and isn't going to step out of that light any time soon.

Goodell has stated for the record in more than one interview that he ALWAYS, since boyhood,wanted to be COMMISSIONER OF THE NFL. Think about that...not a policeman, or a US senator like his Dad, or a fireman or a doctor or a lawyer....he ALWAYS DESIRED AND WANTED WITH SINGULAR PURPOSE to be commissioner of the NFL. He's a megalomaniac.

In the social world, 'megalomania...can be a characteristic of power-drunk or control-freak dictators, some executives, some politicians and some army generals'.[16] All such figures may be said to have 'a "Big Ego". A baby's ego, in fact, insufficiently shrunk....So they're much more likely to miscalculate. To offend people'.[17]

 

[supafly]

Roger Goodell has made it a point to be in the media spotlight from day one of his arrival, and isn't going to step out of that light any time soon.

Goodell has stated for the record in more than one interview that he ALWAYS, since boyhood,wanted to be COMMISSIONER OF THE NFL. Think about that...not a policeman, or a US senator like his Dad, or a fireman or a doctor or a lawyer....he ALWAYS DESIRED AND WANTED WITH SINGULAR PURPOSE to be commissioner of the NFL. He's a megalomaniac.

In the social world, 'megalomania...can be a characteristic of power-drunk or control-freak dictators, some executives, some politicians and some army generals'.[16] All such figures may be said to have 'a "Big Ego". A baby's ego, in fact, insufficiently shrunk....So they're much more likely to miscalculate. To offend people'.[17]

I think from day one he's made it a point to be in the spotlight, and as much as I hate to bring it up--it's possible that the whole Cameragate issue was affected by this too.

My (admittedly homeristic) theory is that he never thought that it would become quite the enormous story that it became, which ended up actually becoming a blemish for the league. I do think that he wanted to make it a point to handle a bigger issue right from the get go, and took advantage of some poor handling + mistakes by Belichick to do so. Unfortunately for him and us, it quickly grew to enormous proportions.

Of course I am also not trying to downplay the mistakes made by Belichick either, but I think if Rozelle or Tagliabue had still been commissoner it would have never been 1/4 of the story that it became. Never...

I honestly believe that Goodell put his own selfish interests in front of what was best for the NFL in that instance. Then again, the possibility exists that you're rubbing off of me and this is all made up in my head

 

[Gwedd]

I just dislike the man.

I find him to come off as smarmy, egotistic and just downright nasty. His smile, like all his mannerisms appears plastic, and he has, in my opinion, finely crafted the art of appearing to all people to be that which they wish to see. he reads people and acts to please them, to reassure them, as long as that doesn't affect his own agenda.

In short, he uses people as a means to advance his own career & agenda. I find that distasteful and wholly at odds with the sportsmanship that the NFL preaches at every opportunity.

That's how I read him, and my opinion of him. I can't wait until he's gone.

 

[Tunescribe]

I just dislike the man.

I find him to come off as smarmy, egotistic and just downright nasty. His smile, like all his mannerisms appears plastic, and he has, in my opinion, finely crafted the art of appearing to all people to be that which they wish to see. he reads people and acts to please them, to reassure them, as long as that doesn't affect his own agenda.

In short, he uses people as a means to advance his own career & agenda. I find that distasteful and wholly at odds with the sportsmanship that the NFL preaches at every opportunity.

That's how I read him, and my opinion of him. I can't wait until he's gone.

If you ever really study the guy, it's obvious he has mastered the political art of the "non-answer" and "deflected question." I learned this firsthand when he met formally with a group of Pats season ticket holders in Foxboro a couple years back. I brought up the subject of the 18-game regular season and stated neither myself nor anyone I know want it. He answered by saying fans are tired of paying full price for preseason games. Perhaps, but that was not what I asked about.

 

[Pewsterbaby]

Goodell lost all credibilitah with me wen he was interviewed by Fitzy outside Radio City a few drafts ago. I mean, ya got an unshaven Fitzy in a Brady jersey and Rog treats him all seriously just because Fitzy stuck a microphone in his face. Roger, look at the guy. It's Fitzy for crissakes.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Yes, but Goodell does set policy to an extent and hatch initiatives. I don't know exactly what the endorsement process is among owners but I doubt they vote yay or nay on every single "bright idea" he comes up with. I think he works with a great deal of autonomy within parameters of a broadly defined agenda. He "sets the tone," so to speak, and fancies himself a progressive innovator who's setting groundwork for the game's next 50 years.

I get the feeling that Roger wants to leave his mark and create a legacy for himself, and in the process is tinkering dangerously with the league's very foundation. Another man in the commissioner's shoes could just as well be a traditionalist who sees himself as a steward of the game's preservation, taking a more cautious and conservative approach to rule changes, expansion, etc. That's what I'd like to see. Goodell needs to realize that "more" doesn't always mean "better" for everyone involved, including fans.

Perhaps so but as to rlcarr's point about the owners...Bob Kraft is on record enthusiastically many times about the need to expand the NFL to Europe. The owners are Goody's board of Directors and they have chartered their CEO to grow revenue...expand # games in a season and add franchises outside of the USA. I'm a fan, not an owner and I don't like the corporate mission.

 

[Joker]

I was there too, Tunes...of course I never got the chance to be in the select section allowed to ask questions....and believe me, I had plenty to ask him. It was THE classic dog and pony show press op complete with plants in the audience, tossing softballs up for him to swat.

Gwedd, I feel identical. As you live your life in our society, you just naturally develop the sense to see through the phonies, the hucksters,the agenda driven liars and the power drunk. He fits the bill like a glove.

 

[PatsDeb]

He wants a Super Bowl in cold weather, then says they'll take special measures to keep people warm. I can't stand it. I pray that Mother Nature unleashes her wrath on this ingrate. I want a three-day blizzard followed by an ice storm followed by high winds and minus-50 wind chill. I want it delayed a week because of weather, followed by a half-full stadium witnessing a game with 20 punts and 3-0 outcome in double overtime ending at midnight. Instead of the trophy award ceremony I want to see Goodell forced to lay spread-eagle at midfield where he's run over repeatedly by a snowplow. Then they should cremate his remains and mail them to Wembley Stadium in London where they can be placed in a teapot for permanent display.

In other words, we want him hit with a good old fashioned northeast winter. LOL.

 

[chasa]

i dont see a big deal with putting a team in london. What they should do, if they are smart, is switch the dolphins and the jags, since the pats tend to play a game in london every other year at least anyways. Also it makes sense to have the AFC east teams do the every year travel since its the shortest trip.

The london jags would then open the season with 5 road games staying stateside for the duration, then as teams start to get their byes, each opponent would travel to the Jags the week after their bye week. then for the final weeks they could travel back and forth for their roadgames vs the AFCE opponents.

 

[Tunescribe]

i dont see a big deal with putting a team in london. What they should do, if they are smart, is switch the dolphins and the jags, since the pats tend to play a game in london every other year at least anyways. Also it makes sense to have the AFC east teams do the every year travel since its the shortest trip.

The london jags would then open the season with 5 road games staying stateside for the duration, then as teams start to get their byes, each opponent would travel to the Jags the week after their bye week. then for the final weeks they could travel back and forth for their roadgames vs the AFCE opponents.

That's insane.