Free Agent Signings around the League

[ATippett56]

As I noted, he does not like contact or coming up to tackle too well. That obviously does not equate to a Bill Belichick coached defense, but it should be noted that he's more than adequate in coverage, and that has not been represented very well in recent comments.

In other words, we could do worse. Hell, we have done worse plenty of times before, and currently have worse in the secondary at the moment. I'm not saying that I necessarily want him here, but for some to claim that he's no good all around simply isn't true. He's proven to be just fine in many coverage instances.

The beat writers are already starting to throw around names that aren't any better, so it's probably all about value at this point. They may as well just throw darts at a board....and choose another CB in the draft as well.

Why, because no other capable NFL players have ever left their teams in free agency before? It's possible they decided to spend the money on TJ Ward and Talib just the same. There's no relationship to how good a player is to whether or not they stay with their original team in free agency. That's silly.

Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie - Denver Broncos - 2014 Player Profile - Rotoworld.com

The Broncos have ended negotiations with free agent CB Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie after signing Aqib Talib.

They gave Talib a six-year, $57 million deal with an NFL cornerback record $25.5 million guaranteed, surpassing Brandon Carr's $25 million guarantee. Rodgers-Cromartie could shop his wares to the Patriots or Jets, who are both now corner needy. Despite a standout 2013 campaign, "DRC" has otherwise generated no free agent buzz since pondering retirement during Super Bowl week.

Referring to the bolded section, that is not the type of player Bill Belichick targets in unrestricted free agency.

You were already wrong about Aqib Talib's future contract, since Aqib Talib received a top of the market contract.

 

[supafly]

Exactly. So if the pats don't want to pay 16m then why trade for him? If he's willing to take a cut in pay then just wait to be cut and be free.

Because there are other teams who are supposedly willing to part with the mid/late round pick that it would take to pull it off.

They may have to do the trade to get ahead of them if there's actual competition, and there has been reported to be such a team(s). CLE wants him too supposedly, and there may be more.

 

[JDot]

Wondered how #Saints could fit Jairus Byrd into their cap. With an $11M signing bonus over 5 years, cap hit should be around $4M in year 1

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/443616524838789120

 

[Don Kipines]

Because there are other teams who are supposedly willing to part with the mid/late round pick that it would take to pull it off.



They may have to do the trade to get ahead of them if there's actual competition, and there has been reported to be such a team(s). CLE wants him too supposedly, and there may be more.

Yes, but does Revis want to play for those other teams? If he doesn't, no one will trade for him.

 

[supafly]

Referring to the bolded section, that is not the type of player Bill Belichick targets in unrestricted free agency.

I'm the one who stated that first. I said that he doesn't like to tackle, but pointed out his fine coverage skills.

All you're doing is repeating my own words.

By the way, what does any of this have to do with the fact that you claimed that Denver would have signed him back if he was worth it? I'm still waiting for that one. That is the issue that we're talking about.

You're avoiding the fact that it has nothing to do with the matter. You're acting like any team that doesn't choose to resign their own players must mean that they are "no good" somehow.

You were already wrong about Aqib Talib's future contract, since Aqib Talib received a top of the market contract.

And?

So what?

Do you actually see many people out there claiming that the Talib deal was GOOD? Every comment I've seen claims that they greatly overpaid. What's your point?

You know damn well that Talib wasn't worth that kind of money. Give me a break...the most guaranteed dollars given to any CB in the history of the game over 6 years. LOL

 

[supafly]

Yes, but does Revis want to play for those other teams? If he doesn't, no one will trade for him.

If said team is going to pay him 16 million dollars again?

I think we're doing a lot of "what ifs" right now, but it seems like Revis is pretty good with receiving a million dollars a game again should someone want to trade with Tampa Bay.

We'll have to wait and see.

 

[Claremonster]

This is the donkos superbowl. If they do go to the superbowl again vs the Seachickens, it will be like 43-14 this time.

 

[mgteich]

I agree that there are patriot fans who prefer the strategy of teams like Denver, Miami (last year), Cleveland, Tampa Bay and Oakland. Sure, the all-in boom or bust strategy is a "reasonable" one, just not ours. That has not been the strategy of the patriots since Kraft bought the team. Obviously, the all-in strategy is much for fun for fans. They get to celebrate in division wins and Super Bowl victories in March, as Miami did last year.

I get it that many consider last year a failure, and also the two Super Bowl losses. That is your privilege.

I get it there would have been lots of happy campers if we re-signed Talib at what Denver paid and re-signed Edelman at what he was supposed offered. And the first time either were injured, guys like you would be complaining that belichick shouldn't ahve paid that much for injury prone players.

The patriots will spend their $20M. You simply have a strategy that you believe is better than the one the team has used for over a decade.

And you all will probably be whining if Belichick decides to pay Revis, a much better option than the other corners.

You must have been away all day, and just got a few reports, because there were a hell of a lot more than 4-5 contracts that would have been good signings for the Patriots.

I'm not sure why you, and some others, expect people to be happy with what happened today. Being pissed off about what unfolded is a perfectly reasonable response. Is it early enough that the Patriots can make moves to really strengthen the team? Sure.

Was losing Talib to the Broncos a major blow? Has Denver, the Patriots main rival in the AFC, made the kind of moves that reasonable Patriots fans would like to see from N.E.? Hell yes.

 

[patsfan-1982]

If said team is going to pay him 16 million dollars again?

I think we're doing a lot of "what ifs" right now, but it seems like Revis is pretty good with receiving a million dollars a game again should someone want to trade with Tampa Bay.

We'll have to wait and see.

Adam Schefter ?@AdamSchefter · 43m
On first day of free agency, Cowboys cut DeMarcus Ware and Bears cut Julius Peppers. On second day, Darrelle Revis will exit Tampa.


its sounds like a team has already traded for him and maybe working a new deal, I don't think its the pats but he is out of Tampa or they are cutting him

 

[supafly]

Referring to the bolded section, that is not the type of player Bill Belichick targets in unrestricted free agency.

You were already wrong about Aqib Talib's future contract, since Aqib Talib received a top of the market contract.

I'm the one who stated that first. I said that he doesn't like to tackle, but pointed out his fine coverage skills.

All you're doing is repeating my own words.

By the way, what does any of this have to do with the fact that you claimed that Denver would have signed him back if he was worth it? I'm still waiting for that one. That is the issue that we're talking about.

You're avoiding the fact that it has nothing to do with the matter. You're acting like any team that doesn't choose to resign their own players must mean that they are "no good" somehow.



And?

So what?

Do you actually see many people out there claiming that the Talib deal was GOOD? Every comment I've seen claims that they greatly overpaid. What's your point?

You know damn well that Talib wasn't worth that kind of money. Give me a break...the most guaranteed dollars given to any CB in the history of the game over 6 years. LOL

Oh, by the way...

Vic Lombardi @VicLombardi

.@TrentSNelson Broncos made DRC a generous offer last night, similar to the money they gave Talib. A victim of haggling.
Retweeted by Christopher Price

I'm still waiting for the answer as to how one isn't "good" if they don't resign them in free agency? As if no other player have ever left their original team to go on to have good seasons.This news makes your comment appear even more bizarre, since they DID try and bring him back, but that isn't even the point.

 

[supafly]

Adam Schefter ?@AdamSchefter · 43m
On first day of free agency, Cowboys cut DeMarcus Ware and Bears cut Julius Peppers. On second day, Darrelle Revis will exit Tampa.


its sounds like a team has already traded for him and maybe working a new deal, I don't think its the pats but he is out of Tampa or they are cutting him

Well we know he's out of Tampa one way or the other, but that's not the question.

The question that I responded to asked why we'd trade for him when he could simply wait for him to be cut. The other response was to a poster who asked if he'd want to go to a crappy team again.

Until we find out for sure tomorrow, there's no way to know. He may be good with going wherever, as long as he's still paid his 16 million OR he may be willing to take less for a contender. We'll know soon enough.

 

[ATippett56]

I'm the one who stated that first. I said that he doesn't like to tackle, but pointed out his fine coverage skills.

If DRC was that good, the Philadelphia Eagles would have re-signed him.

By the way, what does any of this have to do with the fact that you claimed that Denver would have signed him back if he was worth it? I'm still waiting for that one. That is the issue that we're talking about.

If DRC was that good, the Denver Broncos would have re-signed him.

You're avoiding the fact that it has nothing to do with the matter. You're acting like any team that doesn't choose to resign their own players must mean that they are "no good" somehow.

You are the one that is vastly overrating DRC, not me.

And?

So what?

Do you actually see many people out there claiming that the Talib deal was GOOD? Every comment I've seen claims that they greatly overpaid. What's your point?

You know damn well that Talib wasn't worth that kind of money.

Isaac Sopoaga is vastly overpaid, especially for a 32 year old defensive tackle that was inactive for both AFC Playoff games. Adrian Wilson is vastly overpaid, especially for a 34 year old safety recovering from a torn Achilles Tendon. Steve Gregory was vastly overpaid, yet he was cut from the team earlier this month.

 

[slash83]

Well we know he's out of Tampa one way or the other, but that's not the question.

The question that I responded to asked why we'd trade for him when he could simply wait for him to be cut. The other response was to a poster who asked if he'd want to go to a crappy team again.

Until we find out for sure tomorrow, there's no way to know. He may be good with going wherever, as long as he's still paid his 16 million OR he may be willing to take less for a contender.

According to Clayton Revis is visiting the pats... Who knows if its actually true I dont know what the hells going on anymore my head hurts.

 

[mgteich]

Talib is a better corner than DRC.

The question is whether Talib is worth as much, given his injury issues?

It is not clear who is more desirable to have on your 53.

 

[supafly]

If DRC was that good, the Denver Broncos would have re-signed him.

They tried to, by reportedly offering the same contract as Talib just signed. You may want to try reading the posts and checking twitter.

You are the one that is vastly overrating DRC, not me.

I did not "vastly overrate" him. I stated that he sucks in contact, doesn't like to tackle, but pointed out his coverage skills being pretty decent by showing stats.

How is that "vastly overrating" anyone? I told it like it was 100% from the original post.

None of this explains how it suddenly makes a player no good if they aren't kept by their original teams. By your thinking, Darrelle Revis isn't good, nor is Talib, nor is Welker, Danny Woodhead, or any other player who left their team in free agency.

Why don't you just admit your ridiculous comment instead of continuing to try to move around it?

 

[Deus Irae]

I agree that there are patriot fans who prefer the strategy of teams like Denver, Miami (last year), Cleveland, Tampa Bay and Oakland. Sure, the all-in boom or bust strategy is a "reasonable" one, just not ours. That has not been the strategy of the patriots since Kraft bought the team. Obviously, the all-in strategy is much for fun for fans. They get to celebrate in division wins and Super Bowl victories in March, as Miami did last year.

I get it that many consider last year a failure, and also the two Super Bowl losses. That is your privilege.

I get it there would have been lots of happy campers if we re-signed Talib at what Denver paid and re-signed Edelman at what he was supposed offered. And the first time either were injured, guys like you would be complaining that belichick shouldn't ahve paid that much for injury prone players.

The patriots will spend their $20M. You simply have a strategy that you believe is better than the one the team has used for over a decade.

And you all will probably be whining if Belichick decides to pay Revis, a much better option than the other corners.

Stop with the nonsense.

First, the Patriots dynasty was built in an era where most teams hadn't gotten a handle on the salary cap yet, and there were plenty of quality FAs to be had on the cheap. Even with that, it took the key to the whole "formula", Tom Brady, to make it work. Instead of pretending that the Patriots have some unbeatable system, let's start by admitting that the system is Tom Brady, just like the system in Indy, for more than a decade, was Peyton Manning.

Second, the Patriots DID add players who cost money. Colvin and AdT really happened, and both really contributed to big seasons.

Third, the Patriots, during their dynasty, weren't losing players they wanted to keep and, when they were losing players, they were finding adequate replacements.

Fourth, and as has been pointed out time, and time again, spending money stupidly on cheap players is still spending money stupidly. Pissing away $20 million will be pissing away $20 million, whether it's because one $20 million player busted, or because 20 $1 millon players busted.

Fifth, I'm fine with them signing Revis, although I'd have preferred spending a bit more money on a combo like Talib + Ward. I'll be laughing my ass off, frankly, when you, and the rest of the "frugal" BB wannabes celebrate such a signing, if he ends up making more money than Talib. And, if Revis does become a Patriot, and he signs for less, even better. I'm in a win/win with Revis in either scenario, because I haven't been crying about the cost of CBs.

And posting things like

I get it that many consider last year a failure, and also the two Super Bowl losses. That is your privilege.

in a response to me is just stupid.

 

[patsfan-1982]

According to Clayton Revis is visiting the pats... Who knows if its actually true I dont know what the hells going on anymore my head hurts.

I did not even know a player could visit a other team when he is still under contract, I have to say I would love it if his a pat by tomorrow but am not sure it will happen I hope it does

 

[supafly]

Talib is a better corner than DRC.

The question is whether Talib is worth as much, given his injury issues?

It is not clear who is more desirable to have on your 53.

I think it's pretty clear that Talib is the better player. As you said, the issue is his injury status and chronic hip that flares up whenever possible.

My one and only purpose was to show stats where DRC has been a fine coverage CB, even though I also pointed out that he'd be a bad fit here due to his tackling issues and not liking contact.

I am shocked to hear that DRC was offered a very similar pact from DEN to stay and turned it down however. Actually, I find many of these reports hard to believe.

 

[slash83]

I did not even know a player could visit a other team when he is still under contract, I have to say I would love it if his a pat by tomorrow but am not sure it will happen I hope it does

Im just guessing but if TB wants to trade him Im assuming the player being traded has to visit the other team that trading for him to pass a physical right?

 

[deters]

DRC isn't the best, but he is an improvement over our current corners and is better than an unproven rookie via draft. I would have no issues with him being on the team, but in order to do that you must improve the SS or add another good corner to go with him.