For everyone that knows more than JMD

[NFL Mystique]

How does a QB improve arm strength? To me it's something you either have or don't.

Not that great arm strength is a prerequisite to being a great QB.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

2 Games. Ice ice Borges.

 

[venecol]

This 1000 times.

GMs and coaches think they can take the talented QB and mold/form-fit into their offensive system.

The NEP certainly value physical talent but they value accuracy, leadership, decision-making and grit just as much.

The Grit. Lmao

 

[NFL Mystique]

Is McDaniels a great coordinator or was he simply a product of Brady?

I'm stating the obvious here: McDaniels needed Brady more than Brady needed him.

 

[BigPeteG]

How does a QB improve arm strength? To me it's something you either have or don't.

Not that great arm strength is a prerequisite to being a great QB.

You can improve most athletic attributes - whether its 40 yard dash, vertical jump etc. Arm strength is no different.. If you follow baseball you will notice that nowadays there are numerous pitchers who can throw 100mph. Back 30 years ago - it was unheard of. The big thing is that the baseball guys really learned the throwing mechanics so they could strengthen any weak part of the kinetic chain to maximizing throwing power. Obviously you need a decent size frame and some muscularity and flexibility.. But so many guys can throw hard..

GMs and coaches look for arm strength because it can get you out of jail for free. When Mahommes spots a guy open on either side of the field - when the play is breaking down - he can get it to them in a hurry. This a huge advantage for QBs and why most NFL QBs have a good arm relative to the college guys..

Nowadays scouts talk about "arm talent' though - this means you can make all the hard throws - but can also drop it in -make the touch passes - make passes from angles etc. Scouts liked Wilson's arm talent.. Hence the high pick..

 

[venecol]

Again, "the entire playbook is open" to Mac. He's not being throttled, baby stepped, held by the hand, or any of the other nonsense we choose to believe. Mac himself is choosing to be "risk averse."

The one doubt Mac Jones can’t escape during promising Patriots start

Mac Jones has had a strong start to his NFL career with the Patriots – but there is still one major question plaguing him and the team.

www.foxnews.com

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Again, "the entire playbook is open" to Mac. He's not being throttled, baby stepped, held by the hand, or any of the other nonsense we choose to believe. Mac himself is choosing to be "risk averse."

The one doubt Mac Jones can’t escape during promising Patriots start

Mac Jones has had a strong start to his NFL career with the Patriots – but there is still one major question plaguing him and the team.

www.foxnews.com

Mac is doing the right thing. The OLine SUCKS, we have right tackles who provide zero protection.
Fake expert construction guys will try to say his arm isn't good but it's not even about this. At all. It's about getting the ball out fast when you know your OLine sucks.

When your Oline Sucks and your skippy OC keeps calling shotgun with zero additional blocking from tight ends or RBs, the right move is get that ball out fast. All the aggressive (not conservative) shotgun play calls, it's still the right decision to throw it super fast. Mac took 9 hits in week1 and this is not sustainable. His health is worth 1000X more than racking up yardage trying to get his overrated oc his next HC job.

 

[BigPeteG]

This 1000 times.

GMs and coaches think they can take the talented QB and mold/form-fit into their offensive system.

The NEP certainly value physical talent but they value accuracy, leadership, decision-making and grit just as much.

This is kinda what makes it fun. Can the 49ers teach Trey Lance how to be an accurate thrower and a good decision maker? Or should they have gone with someone who already has that - but lacks Lance's athleticism and raw arm strength?

I was kind of surprised we didn't jump up to get Fields.. But Mac seems like a great guy - and I think Bill enjoys having a really smart good kid as his QB even if he isn't the most athletic guy in the whole world..

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Is McDaniels a great coordinator or was he simply a product of Brady?

I'm stating the obvious here: McDaniels needed Brady more than Brady needed him.

If anyone ever asked the question: who needs the other more, Brady or McDaniels, I do hope that person regains cognitive ability at some point.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Is McDaniels a great coordinator or was he simply a product of Brady?

I'm stating the obvious here: McDaniels needed Brady more than Brady needed him.

Byron Leftwich looks like a genius, hottest HC candidate right now. Bucs offense is on fire and breaking scoring records. Meanwhile the Pats offense looks like the crappy Denver'10 offense.

 

[BigPeteG]

Mac is doing the right thing. The OLine SUCKS, we have right tackles who provide zero protection.
Fake expert construction guys will try to say his arm isn't good but it's not even about this. At all. It's about getting the ball out fast when you know your OLine sucks.

When your Oline Sucks and your skippy OC keeps calling shotgun with zero additional blocking from tight ends or RBs, the right move is get that ball out fast. All the aggressive (not conservative) shotgun play calls, it's still the right decision to throw it super fast. Mac took 9 hits in week1 and this is not sustainable. His health is worth 1000X more than racking up yardage trying to get his overrated oc his next HC job.

Several people have come out with analysis using the all - 22 film that prove Mac has been passing up on some big play throws. Not because the play didn't develop yet but because two guys were open and he took the 100% safe throw.

This narrative that Mac has no choice but to hit the short throw is simply untrue. Hopefully Mac opens it up some and takes a few shots down the field this weekend to illustrate this point.

This doesn't mean that I think Mac is "doomed' to always throw short - or anything like that. But we should be honest here - he hasn't really tried to push the ball down the field. The Jets and Dolphins are bad enough that he really didn't need to. But he still elected to throw it short.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Several people have come out with analysis using the all - 22 film that prove Mac has been passing up on some big play throws. Not because the play didn't develop yet but because two guys were open and he took the 100% safe throw.

This narrative that Mac has no choice but to hit the short throw is simply untrue. Hopefully Mac opens it up some and takes a few shots down the field this weekend to illustrate this point.

This doesn't mean that I think Mac is "doomed' to always throw short - or anything like that. But we should be honest here - he hasn't really tried to push the ball down the field. The Jets and Dolphins are bad enough that he really didn't need to. But he still elected to throw it short.

This is possibly true a couple times, yea for sure. Mac has also acknowledged this. But it makes total sense when he has 4Oline guys plus 1 non-NFL right tackle and his oc keeps calling 3-wide shotgun for 15 plays in a row. It is NOT worth it for Mac to make a 20 yard pass but it requires him to take a hit to do it because there's 1 unaccounted for blitzer who is unblocked. This is why I wasn't on board with rushing the kid, let him learn a year. He could develop bad habits because he's constantly under pressure his rookie year.

 

[BigPeteG]

Yea he's on meth if he really believes that. Nothing against Mac but that order isn't changing bc of two games lol holy smokes.

Even Bill would trade Mac Jones and #1 to get Trevor Lawrence right now. That's just silly talk. You can't separate qb performances from the team that much. Do we believe the Jets would be winning with Mac Jones or the Jags?

 

[BigPeteG]

This is possibly true a couple times, yea for sure. Mac has also acknowledged this. But it makes total sense when he has 4Oline guys plus 1 non-NFL right tackle and his oc keeps calling 3-wide shotgun for 15 plays in a row. It is NOT worth it for Mac to make a 20 yard pass but it requires him to take a hit to do it because there's 1 unaccounted for blitzer who is unblocked. This is why I wasn't on board with rushing the kid, let him learn a year. He could develop bad habits because he's constantly under pressure his rookie year.

Mac is the perfect guy to rush.. He has the mental game down, he is a good leader and he is team first. He just has to learn what throws he can make and when in the NFL.. Basically he has to get used to NFL play - and what better way to do that then by playing..

It's about learning what HE can do - so its not really going to help him sitting on the bench.. It's not like the sage wisdom of Cam Newton is going to help him. What do you think he would learn.. hey if you look like a Greek God you can escape a linebacker for a first down instead of throwing it..

Bill made the right decision to start this kid. Even if he ends up only being a game manager type - its not going to set him back. It's the uber athletes that need to sit and learn.. They don't have the mental side down yet..

 

[catent]

How does a QB improve arm strength? To me it's something you either have or don't.

Not that great arm strength is a prerequisite to being a great QB.

Tom Brady did it. Watch his Michigan games, early Pats’ games in 2001 … and then watch him sling it in 2007.

Lower body, core, and technique/throwing mechanics can all increase ball velocity.

I think Mac has enough velocity to win right now, but more wouldn’t hurt.

 

[catent]

Is McDaniels a great coordinator or was he simply a product of Brady?

I'm stating the obvious here: McDaniels needed Brady more than Brady needed him.

They’re both great at their respective jobs … unless you’re a Chiefs’ fan trolling (or DKF) … then McD sucks.

 

[Pats2000]

All you do is attack people's opinions with the same, tired formula:

1. Are you an offensive coordinator? NO - so you know nothing. You can't criticize.
2. Are you an NFL GM with 6 rings? NO - so you know nothing. Your opinion is trash.
3. Do you you play quarterback in the NFL? NO - so how dare you point out that Jones should have waited a little longer.
4. Are you a pundit? NO - so what you're saying can't be true.

Except when those amateur opinions align with what you think....then the opinions are great and completely valid. You, @LFGMac10, are also not an NFL scout, an NFL GM, an NFL coach, a QB, or any of those things. So don't post here at all if you're going to hold others to a standard that you also don't meet.



Every pundit? Really? Sounds pretty exagerrated. For one, the board's hero, Evan Lazar, noted that Mac missed a handful of open receivers downfield due to hesitation.

I have a balanced view of Mac; if anything, if I told people outside of Patriots fans about my thoughts, they'd call me a homer with overblown observations. From your extreme homer-based viewpoint, everything that isn't 10000% pro-Pariots is anti-Patriots.

My argument is that he's doing very well for a rookie and has been flashing everything people were excited about.

Don't be mad that I take the opinion of a 6 time SB winning coach and others that you mentioned over your opinion. I am bringing expert opinions to the discussion, you just want everyone to take your incredible NFL mind at face value

 

[RobertWeathers]

This is kinda what makes it fun. Can the 49ers teach Trey Lance how to be an accurate thrower and a good decision maker? Or should they have gone with someone who already has that - but lacks Lance's athleticism and raw arm strength?

I was kind of surprised we didn't jump up to get Fields.. But Mac seems like a great guy - and I think Bill enjoys having a really smart good kid as his QB even if he isn't the most athletic guy in the whole world..

Great question. If you give Bill some truth serum and asked who he would take with the overall pick as it pertains to who fit the NEP system and why this response would be fascinating to hear.

 

[RobertWeathers]

The Grit. Lmao

Pagano....clown.

...But grit does separate winning QBs from stat-chasing passers.

 

[catent]

Again, "the entire playbook is open" to Mac. He's not being throttled, baby stepped, held by the hand, or any of the other nonsense we choose to believe. Mac himself is choosing to be "risk averse."

The one doubt Mac Jones can’t escape during promising Patriots start

Mac Jones has had a strong start to his NFL career with the Patriots – but there is still one major question plaguing him and the team.

www.foxnews.com

I wouldn’t confound McDaniels saying “we’re not holding anything back” to mean he’s calling aggressive game-plans.

Even with a talented QB, sometimes the game-plan demands a more conservative approach.

No one on this forum can speak to the McD’s & Mac’s decision making process beyond the quotes we get via the media, which is a very small glimpse.