For everyone that knows more than JMD

[venecol]

You going to be like Dropkickflutie and repeat the same things over and over again?

This is the 1st time I comment on Mac plays so not sure where you're coming from. Why so triggered?

The premise is that Mac is being held back, yet the OC says he's not. It is what it is, unless we somehow want to make ourselves feel better for his low yards per attempt (#24).

 

[50-yard-line]

I’m confused by this…Why wouldn’t the majority of Patriots fans prefer a win to a loss? Am I miss reading this somehow?

2003 playoffs, Colts vs. Chiefs.
Track meet. Almost 900 yards of offense, no punters necessary.

Same day, Patriots beat the Titans 13-10 in sub-zero Gillette (I was there).

All anyone talked about was the excitement of the Colts and Chiefs - the beginning of the end for low-scoring defensive struggles. Personally, I LOVE defensive struggles and hate games where the last team who has the ball will probably win. In the former, every play matters. Make a big turnover and it will haunt you, even if all you lose is field position. In the latter, a pick-six is nothing big, as long as you remain in striking distance - I mean, I was happy when Mahomes hit Hill to take the lead a few years ago on the first play of their last drive, because it left plenty of time for Brady to win the game (he did).

But back on January 10, 2004, all anyone raved about was the Chiefs/Colts game (and thought that the Colts would beat the Patriots, lol).

That's where football has gone. Now add in Fantasy - guys who have Patriot players on their fantasy teams are frustrated when Agholor doesn't catch a touchdown pass, or Jones misses "their" Henry running free down the sideline, regardless of the outcome.

Also, in case you haven't noticed, the agenda on this board is more focused on the past than the present, or certainly the future, and in Boston, the proper way to enjoy sports is to complain.

(I live in LA half the year, and I can tell you, the sports talk is night-and-day different than out here, particularly from the people who call in. Pure, blissful homerism.)

 

[203Pat]

Why, though?

I don't see how playing it that way does anything for anybody other than fans who want to see it - and we know BB doesn't give a crap about that. He wants to win, period. in that situation, the only thing in the world that can hurt you is a pick-six (rare) or a fumble returned for a TD (incredibly rare).

The play is to run run run, kill the clock, kick the FG. 3-score game, game over.

I don’t think it has anything to do with the fans. I wanted to see Mac get live game (passing) reps in the red zone when the consequences were relatively low. Worse case scenario he throws a pick and we still win the game. I just don't know how many big leads this team will have this year where we can let Mac see what he can do when things are more compact on that part of the field. We will likely be in many more tight games where the difference between 3 and 7 in the red zone determines whether we win or lose.

 

[Pats2000]

This is the 1st time I comment on Mac plays so not sure where you're coming from. Why so triggered?

The premise is that Mac is being held back, yet the OC says he's not. It is what it is, unless we somehow want to make ourselves feel better for his low yards per attempt (#24).

It was the same quote that was in the post in my original response. Assumed it was you that made the original post

 

[Pats2000]

I agree that he was excellent at throwing them open and in some cases when covered putting the ball where only the receiver could get it, his accuracy is excellent. I still maintain he rarely made risky throws, and almost never put the ball up for grabs like Wilson last week.

Agreed. He does make nice tight throws though. See Meyers over the shoulder last game and White over the shoulder in Fins game

 

[50-yard-line]

I don’t think it has anything to do with the fans. I wanted to see Mac get live game (passing) reps in the red zone when the consequences were relatively low. Worse case scenario he throws a pick and we still win the game. I just don't know how many big leads this team will have this year where we can let Mac see what he can do when things are more compact on that part of the field. We will likely be in many more tight games where the difference between 3 and 7 in the red zone determines whether we win or lose.

That's not the worst case scenario. The game wasn't over. If Jones blows that game with a pick 6, then a 3 and out, he's in Zach Wilson pouting mode.

Mac is getting many reps in the red zone with his receiving corps every week. The more he does that, the better he'll be when he has to. I don't know how a "live rep" makes a big difference on the positive side, but I can see where it could be truly detrimental to Jones going forward.

I understand your viewpoint, by the way, and if they threw a fade and it worked, I wouldn't be complaining at all. But I'm not worried about it. They'll get there.

 

[denverpatsfan]

and how'd that work for them?

you don't challenge someone faster than you to a race


TOP.....limit TB's touches and hope the defense can force some FG's

efficiency - have to convert 3rds and keep drives going, have to score TD's in the end zone

that's how this team will win these games

Poor clock management lost the game for the Cowboys.
Redzone TDs not FGs. Agreed

 

[203Pat]

That's not the worst case scenario. The game wasn't over. If Jones blows that game with a pick 6, then a 3 and out, he's in Zach Wilson pouting mode.

Mac is getting many reps in the red zone with his receiving corps every week. The more he does that, the better he'll be when he has to. I don't know how a "live rep" makes a big difference on the positive side, but I can see where it could be truly detrimental to Jones going forward.

I understand your viewpoint, by the way, and if they threw a fade and it worked, I wouldn't be complaining at all. But I'm not worried about it. They'll get there.

I agree with your point as well. You never know what can happen until the game is completely over and in the end of the day I don’t think this is a team that has the luxury of experimenting right now and we should take the wins when we have them. I would rather have the slow and steady approach than see what we saw with Wilson on Sunday.

 

[BradytoMosstoGronk]

This thread felt like a Dropkick trap.

 

[yukon cornelius]

2003 playoffs, Colts vs. Chiefs.
Track meet. Almost 900 yards of offense, no punters necessary.

Same day, Patriots beat the Titans 13-10 in sub-zero Gillette (I was there).

All anyone talked about was the excitement of the Colts and Chiefs - the beginning of the end for low-scoring defensive struggles. Personally, I LOVE defensive struggles and hate games where the last team who has the ball will probably win. In the former, every play matters. Make a big turnover and it will haunt you, even if all you lose is field position. In the latter, a pick-six is nothing big, as long as you remain in striking distance - I mean, I was happy when Mahomes hit Hill to take the lead a few years ago on the first play of their last drive, because it left plenty of time for Brady to win the game (he did).

But back on January 10, 2004, all anyone raved about was the Chiefs/Colts game (and thought that the Colts would beat the Patriots, lol).

That's where football has gone. Now add in Fantasy - guys who have Patriot players on their fantasy teams are frustrated when Agholor doesn't catch a touchdown pass, or Jones misses "their" Henry running free down the sideline, regardless of the outcome.

Also, in case you haven't noticed, the agenda on this board is more focused on the past than the present, or certainly the future, and in Boston, the proper way to enjoy sports is to complain.

(I live in LA half the year, and I can tell you, the sports talk is night-and-day different than out here, particularly from the people who call in. Pure, blissful homerism.)

give me the 13-10 game all day, every day. (assuming its the result of great defense and tough play, and not just ****ty teams)

 

[Uptown]

Yeah, Mac can’t/won’t throw down the field…

 

[Zuma]

Yeah, Mac can’t/won’t throw down the field…

Seriously...he's played 2 NFL games and the Oline is having issues. Why can't people understand that. SMH.

 

[BradytoMosstoGronk]

Yeah, Mac can’t/won’t throw down the field…

The kid has the skills. People just have to give him more time to learn, process the game. In due time he'll start pushing the ball.

I have no reservations about his skills or arm, I'm perfectly fine with a conservative approach....

He's played two games.

 

[BradytoMosstoGronk]

give me the 13-10 game all day, every day. (assuming its the result of great defense and tough play, and not just ****ty teams)

13-10 is a win, who cares if it's not the high scoring game the average fan wants nowadays.

I'll take it all day long.

 

[yukon cornelius]

13-10 is a win, who cares if it's not the high scoring game the average fan wants nowadays.

I'll take it all day long.

and it just feels more like the football i grew up with (even if the reality isn't such haha)

 

[203Pat]

Seriously...he's played 2 NFL games and the Oline is having issues. Why can't people understand that. SMH.

The O-line really needs to get it together. You can't let a rookie QB take the beating he has so far. Hopefully Brown is back and that RT position is shored up but I wouldn't mind a move for a veteran swing tackle.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Thread went exactly as I expected:

1. All the things scouts said about Mac that are positive (pocket awareness, vision, accuracy) are true and proven to be true.

2. All the things scouts said about Mac that are negative (arm strength, big play ability, ability to release quickly on downfield throws) are way, way too early to tell, he could hit them if he wants, it's because of the gameplan and game situation, and since you don't play quarterback, how dare you criticize, and since you're not an offensive coordinator, your point is invalid, and also we won so Mac's lack of big plays doesn't matter.

Should have known this was where it was going.

 

[Zuma]

The O-line really needs to get it together. You can't let a rookie QB take the beating he has so far. Hopefully Brown is back and that RT position is shored up but I wouldn't mind a move for a veteran swing tackle.

Bingo! The Oline needs to get it together...it may take time. And I have real concerns about Brown making it back. He missed 11 games last year due to his calf and other issues. I'm not sure he comes back any time soon if he has the same problem with the calf and if he does come back too early...how effective will he be? I really hope Cajuste is practicing with the 1st team if Brown is not a full participant.

 

[Steve102]

Seriously...he's played 2 NFL games and the Oline is having issues. Why can't people understand that. SMH.

 

[50-yard-line]

Thread went exactly as I expected:

1. All the things scouts said about Mac that are positive (pocket awareness, vision, accuracy) are true and proven to be true.

2. All the things scouts said about Mac that are negative (arm strength, big play ability, ability to release quickly on downfield throws) are way, way too early to tell, he could hit them if he wants, it's because of the gameplan and game situation, and since you don't play quarterback, how dare you criticize, and since you're not an offensive coordinator, your point is invalid, and also we won so Mac's lack of big plays doesn't matter.

Should have known this was where it was going.

1. Too early, but looking good.

2. Strawmen galore...negatives were middling athleticism (yup, considering guys like Fields and Lance) and not a plus arm (which one hopes would improve). He hit plenty of big plays, is and was considered extremely accurate down the field (were you looking at the 2019 profile?), and has an average release time.

And?

The rest of your apparent complaint is some weird interpretation of the things being said here.