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[Ring 6]

So if we did ppg over that period they might be hire a bit lower than 16, so that may be a faulty stat.

For example we scored 1 point more than the Vikings since week 6 but week 6 was their bye so they scored 1 less point but in 7 games instead of 8, so we shouldn’t be considered above them.

It looks like if you account for the byes and calculate ppg rankings the patriots are 21st since week 6. Still bottom 1/3 but better than weeks 1-5

We have outscored the:

Browns
Giants
Raiders
Bears
Jags
Cowboys
Jets
Colts
Titans
Saints
Panthers

All teams with one thing in common, putrid QB play.

 

[Ring 6]

Do you really think it’s splitting hairs to say score 159 points on 8 games isn’t better than scoring 158 in 7?

When this weeks games are done and the patriots drop to 21st because every team has the same number of games does that mean they are worse than thru are today?

 

[ctpatsfan77]

So if we did ppg over that period they might be hire a bit lower than 16, so that may be a faulty stat.

For example we scored 1 point more than the Vikings since week 6 but week 6 was their bye so they scored 1 less point but in 7 games instead of 8, so we shouldn’t be considered above them.

Setting aside exact numbers for a second, I think we can all agree that the Patriots offense has become much more watchable (though admittedly still frustrating at times) with Maye at QB.

 

[Ring 6]

Setting aside exact numbers for a second, I think we can all agree that the Patriots offense has become much more watchable (though admittedly still frustrating at times) with Maye at QB.

Well of course but it still isn’t good.
Mayes been great but we are underperforming the qb play by quite a bit.
He’s doing his best to carry the team but he has one arm tied behind his back.

 

[Ian]

Do you really think it’s splitting hairs to say score 159 points on 8 games isn’t better than scoring 158 in 7?

When this weeks games are done and the patriots drop to 21st because every team has the same number of games does that mean they are worse than thru are today?

So you're saying the Chiefs and Dolphins - who have both had byes - aren't that much better than the Vikings?

Not that we need to go there. Again, I posted that for the sake of pointing out they're middle of the road with Maye. Any nitpicking beyond that is a little silly, given that what happens over these final four games is how everyone is going to remember them anyway heading into the offseason.

 

[dliverey44]

We should hire him and fire AVP. Why wouldn’t we?

Because AVP has had several QBs come out and endorse him, so we know he is at least a good QB coach and he has improved over the course of the season as a play caller. EB has never done anything remarkable other than ride Reids coattails to OC jobs that he ****ed up. So my question is why do you want him hired?

 

[Ring 6]

So you're saying the Chiefs and Dolphins - who have both had byes - aren't that much better than the Vikings?

Not that we need to go there. Again, I posted that for the sake of pointing out they're middle of the road with Maye. Any nitpicking beyond that is a little silly, given that what happens over these final four games is how everyone is going to remember them anyway heading into the offseason.

Of course, if you are cranking on points scored in that timeframe the chiefs and dolphins aren’t much better than the Vikings.

I don’t think saying you are comparing teams playing a different numbers of games on point totals instead of ppg is nitpicking.

I mean if you want to rank 159 in 8 games as better than 158 in 7 games that’s your prerogative, it’s just kinda bastardized the point.

 

[Ring 6]

Because AVP has had several QBs come out and endorse him, so we know he is at least a good QB coach and he has improved over the course of the season as a play caller. EB has never done anything remarkable other than ride Reids coattails to OC jobs that he ****ed up. So my question is why do you want him hired?

Who are the SEVERAL QBs that “came out and endorsed” Van Pelt?

Are you confusing nice guy with good football coach?

How is EB riding Reid’s coattails when Reid has been a HC for 26 years and his best, 2nd best, 3rd best, 4th best, and 5th best scoring seasons were with EB as OC.

Let’s put it another way. The worst year Reid had with EB was better than the best year he had ever had with anyone else.

So your argument is the successful guy shouldn’t get credit for his success and that elevates the guy who has never been successful above him? For real?

 

[Ian]

Of course, if you are cranking on points scored in that timeframe the chiefs and dolphins aren’t much better than the Vikings.

I don’t think saying you are comparing teams playing a different numbers of games on point totals instead of ppg is nitpicking.

I mean if you want to rank 159 in 8 games as better than 158 in 7 games that’s your prerogative, it’s just kinda bastardized the point.

My only point was that the Patriots aren't bottom of the league in terms of points during the span with Maye under center and were ranked higher over that stretch than I think some people may have realized.

Anything beyond that - a few spots here or there - isn't really the point I was making. In the end, they're not a top 10 offense by any means. They're just not as bad as you were making them out to be initially.

 

[Ring 6]

So you're saying the Chiefs and Dolphins - who have both had byes - aren't that much better than the Vikings?

Not that we need to go there. Again, I posted that for the sake of pointing out they're middle of the road with Maye. Any nitpicking beyond that is a little silly, given that what happens over these final four games is how everyone is going to remember them anyway heading into the offseason.

Going back to this. In the time frame you selected the Dolphins scores 172 points the chiefs 171 and the Vikings 158.
So over 7 games the chiefs and dolphins are about 2 TDs better than the Vikings.
Over the course of the full season
the Vikings have score 297 the chiefs 289 and the Dolphins 232.

So for the season, based upon points the Vikings are a hair better than the chiefs and a lot better than the dolphins but limiting it to their last 7 games they are a little worse than both.

This seems to make perfect sense to me. Did you mean something different?

 

[Ian]

Going back to this. In the time frame you selected the Dolphins scores 172 points the chiefs 171 and the Vikings 158.
So over 7 games the chiefs and dolphins are about 2 TDs better than the Vikings.
Over the course of the full season
the Vikings have score 297 the chiefs 289 and the Dolphins 232.

So for the season, based upon points the Vikings are a hair better than the chiefs and a lot better than the dolphins but limiting it to their last 7 games they are a little worse than both.

This seems to make perfect sense to me. Did you mean something different?

See my other post:

My only point was that the Patriots aren't bottom of the league in terms of points during the span with Maye under center and were ranked higher over that stretch than I think some people may have realized.

Anything beyond that - a few spots here or there - isn't really the point I was making. In the end, they're not a top 10 offense by any means. They're just not as bad as you were making them out to be initially.

 

[Ring 6]

My only point was that the Patriots aren't bottom of the league in terms of points during the span with Maye under center and were ranked higher over that stretch than I think some people may have realized.

Anything beyond that - a few spots here or there - isn't really the point I was making. In the end, they're not a top 10 offense by any means. They're just not as bad as you were making them out to be initially.

And my only point was you manipulated stats to look as if they have been above average and they really haven’t.

They aren’t ranked 16th they are ranked 21st if the math is honest.

I didn’t “make them out to be” anything. I stated where they rank this year. I did not say they haven’t been better with Maye at qb. They were pathetic before Maye now they are just below average and ahead of some awful offenses. I listed the teams they have outscored in that time frame. None made me think wow that’s pretty good to be ahead of them. It is what it is.

If they can figure out how to evaluate players, and become willing to pay from them, to surround Maye they can build a good offense. The jury is still out on whether we have a coaching staff who can take advantage of that if they do, but we have the QB. Right now everyone surrounding him is holding back what he could be accomplishing.

 

[Ring 6]

See my other post:

Do you disagree there is a pretty big difference between 16th best or 21st best in a 32 team league with 14 playoff berths?
That was my point.

You could have just said “oh yeah I forgot about byes, that skews the numbers so they are right at league average they are a handful of spots below average”

Instead you seem to want to cast me as a villain for pointing out the mistake.

Oh well. Time to move on.

 

[Ian]

Do you disagree there is a pretty big difference between 16th best or 21st best in a 32 team league with 14 playoff berths?
That was my point.

You could have just said “oh yeah I forgot about byes, that skews the numbers so they are right at league average they are a handful of spots below average”

Instead you seem to want to cast me as a villain for pointing out the mistake.

Oh well. Time to move on.

I didn't "manipulate" anything. Again, the total is the total. You can argue the bye weeks or whatever, but they're not last in the league in scoring since Maye took over under center, which is what you suggested - or that's a fact that was overlooked in your original premise. That's the main point I was making.

 

[Ian]

Do you disagree there is a pretty big difference between 16th best or 21st best in a 32 team league with 14 playoff berths?
That was my point.

You could have just said “oh yeah I forgot about byes, that skews the numbers so they are right at league average they are a handful of spots below average”

Instead you seem to want to cast me as a villain for pointing out the mistake.

Oh well. Time to move on.

At the same time, I will set up a page that allows people to view records by team by total games played. I’ll try and work on that when I’m home over the weekend.

 

[Ring 6]

I didn't "manipulate" anything. Again, the total is the total. You can argue the bye weeks or whatever, but they're not last in the league in scoring since Maye took over under center, which is what you suggested - or that's a fact that was overlooked in your original premise. That's the main point I was making.

I never came close to suggesting they are last in the league in scoring since Maye took over. You are making that up. I stated, factually what their ranking is. And in fact it was their ranking in total offense. Can you show me where I suggested they are last in scoring since Maye took over, because I want to find who stole my phone and typed that.

Let me put this a different way. If I posted your number and said wow the Patriot defense stinks, they allowed the 9th most points in the last 8 weeks.
You would be 100% correct to tell me that’s not fair because they played an extra game than 20 other teams during that timeframe and in an equal amount of games (ie ppg) they would rate much better.

Would I be correct in saying forget the byes, this proves they are 9th worst?

 

[Ring 6]

At the same time, I will set up a page that allows people to view records by team by total games played. I’ll try and work on that when I’m home over the weekend.

I didn’t mean to create work for you, I’m just saying comparison should be apples to apples.

 

[dliverey44]

Who are the SEVERAL QBs that “came out and endorsed” Van Pelt?

Are you confusing nice guy with good football coach?

How is EB riding Reid’s coattails when Reid has been a HC for 26 years and his best, 2nd best, 3rd best, 4th best, and 5th best scoring seasons were with EB as OC.

Let’s put it another way. The worst year Reid had with EB was better than the best year he had ever had with anyone else.

So your argument is the successful guy shouldn’t get credit for his success and that elevates the guy who has never been successful above him? For real?

- OK several may have been hyperbole but the ones I can think of right now are Bledsoe, Mayfield and AROD.
- No
- You make a great point about EB and the scoring prowess of KC under EB as OC and I am unable to identify the difference in the chiefs offense between Nacy and EB.
- You can put it any way that you want and yes the point was made that KC scored more with EB as OC.
- My argument is that I have seen the Patriots and Maye improve offensively over the course of the season. I have also seen EB offenses the last 2 years look very bad in Washington and UCLA.

I would rather dance with the devil I know and that devil has shown improvement over the season.

 

[Ring 6]

- OK several may have been hyperbole but the ones I can think of right now are Bledsoe, Mayfield and AROD.
- No
- You make a great point about EB and the scoring prowess of KC under EB as OC and I am unable to identify the difference in the chiefs offense between Nacy and EB.
- You can put it any way that you want and yes the point was made that KC scored more with EB as OC.
- My argument is that I have seen the Patriots and Maye improve offensively over the course of the season. I have also seen EB offenses the last 2 years look very bad in Washington and UCLA.

I would rather dance with the devil I know and that devil has shown improvement over the season.

You seem to be mixing up saying nice things about a guy you worked with and proving he is capable.

The difference is it performed much better with Bieniemy as OC

Van Pelt has been bad. We are a bad football team with an offense that is anywhere from below average to terrible.
The improved has not been much. With Maye we are well below average

So you would rather stick with the failed AVP because you know him that say sign Ben Johnson or Kingsbury as OC? We are a 3-10 team. Do you like that?

 

[dliverey44]

You seem to be mixing up saying nice things about a guy you worked with and proving he is capable.

The difference is it performed much better with Bieniemy as OC

Van Pelt has been bad. We are a bad football team with an offense that is anywhere from below average to terrible.
The improved has not been much. With Maye we are well below average

So you would rather stick with the failed AVP because you know him that say sign Ben Johnson or Kingsbury as OC? We are a 3-10 team. Do you like that?

Ummm we were about Bienemy, so we are just changing **** now when we want. You are telling me that you have not watched Maye and the offense improve as the season has progressed? My friend you don't seem to understand ball then.