Eric Bienemy Available

[lancerman]

Right on cue. As I predicted, your next step is to ramp up the personal attacks.
Playing you like a fiddle.

Yeah bro I'm sure it was all part of your grand design to once again have it blasted how much of a liar you are lol. You sure showed me lol.

You might be the only person that considers being shown to be a lower character liar as some sort of win. But I know you get off on dragging these arguments out.

 

[lancerman]

Anyways, Andy I'm going to have to ignore you the rest of this thread because you are once again intent on hijacking it. We call it the Andy special in the DM's. Later.

 

[Ring 6]

Andy Reid has been the HC of the Chiefs 12 seasons.
In 5 of those EB was his OC.

The 5 seasons EB was OC were the 5 highest scoring seasons of Reid’s 12.

In those 5 seasons they scored 30 ppg.
In the other 7 seasons they scored 25.2 ppg.

The 5 seasons EB was ARs OC were ranked 1,2,3,4,5 in points scored in all 26 seasons AR has been a HC.

 

[Ring 6]

Yeah bro I'm sure it was all part of your grand design to once again have it blasted how much of a liar you are lol. You sure showed me lol.

You might be the only person that considers being shown to be a lower character liar as some sort of win. But I know you get off on dragging these arguments out.

 

[Betterthanmost]

Points scored ranking in KC as OC 1,5,6,4,1. Since he left 15,11

This is a classic case of “ice cream sales and swimming pool drownings “ correlation examples . He was just there. Give Mahomes the same set of weapons he had and watch him and Andy Reid keep operating.

 

[Ring 6]

Anyways, Andy I'm going to have to ignore you the rest of this thread because you are once again intent on hijacking it. We call it the Andy special in the DM's. Later.

Conveniently once your “facts” are proven to be lies and once the overwhelming evidence you are wrong is researched and posted you tuck your tail between your legs and run away.

Like clockwork.
1) Make inaccurate claims
2) have them disputed
3) call your opinions fact
4) start the personal insults
5) escalate the personal insults
6) get proven wrong
7) tuck tail and run away

You are so predictable.

 

[Ring 6]

This is a classic case of “ice cream sales and swimming pool drownings “ correlation examples . He was just there. Give Mahomes the same set of weapons he had and watch him and Andy Reid keep operating.

The 5 highest scoring seasons of Andy Reid’s coaching career are the five seasons Bieniemy was the OC. Reid is not the same without him. It’s crystal clear.

 

[Ian]

We are the #32 offense

Points scored ranking in KC as OC 1,5,6,4,1. Since he left 15,11

Since Week 6, the Patriots are 16th in scoring, 12 and 13 points behind the Chiefs and Dolphins, respectfully:

NFL Point Totals 2024

2024 NFL Point Totals Points By Quarter and Season Point Differentials.

www.patsfans.com

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Listen I'm not saying AVP is the answer. But if your argument is that Bienemy is better because Andy Reid made the plays and called the game for him while he had the best QB/TE/WR in football... I'm not sure that's a great argument to swap the two.

I do not want EB. But AVP's successes are not greater than EB's.

EB's never had a QB as good as Maye? The only time he ever had success was with Mahomes...

Exactly. So why isn't AVP having some measure of success with Maye. Being #31 or #32 in the NFL with Maye is a disaster.

Again AVP is not confidence inspiring, but I want someone who can put together his own offense and is forward thinking.

Agreed. AVP is less than "not confidence inspiring". Being dead last or next to dead last is a failure.

 

[lancerman]

I do not want EB. But AVP's successes are not greater than EB's.

Exactly. So why isn't AVP having some measure of success with Maye. Being #31 or #32 in the NFL with Maye is a disaster.

Agreed. AVP is less than "not confidence inspiring". Being dead last or next to dead last is a failure.

The only thing I would push back on is that Mahomes and Maye aren’t comparable yet and that’s before we get into supporting cast.

 

[Triumph]

We are the #32 offense

NE is the 31st offense. NE @ 17.0 points per game and 22 TDs.

NYG are 32nd. 15.3 points per game and 19 TDs.

It all boils down to points scored.

 

[Ring 6]

Since Week 6, the Patriots are 16th in scoring, 12 and 13 points behind the Chiefs and Dolphins, respectfully:

NFL Point Totals 2024

2024 NFL Point Totals Points By Quarter and Season Point Differentials.

www.patsfans.com

Right but weeks 1-5 pretty much sabotaged the season. To be 16th for 8 weeks and only 31 for the year says weeks 1-5 were really, really bad.

Question: do you numbers account for byes? In other words many teams had byes since week 6 and played only 7 games while we played 8. Would ppg look much different?

 

[Ring 6]

NE is the 31st offense. NE @ 17.0 points per game and 22 TDs.

NYG are 32nd. 15.3 points per game and 19 TDs.

It all boils down to points scored.

Teams are ranked by yards, so it is more common to state total offense ranking than points ranking, but you are correct points (and turnovers) are what matter most.
If the 1 spot from the bottom category makes you feel that much better, have at it.

 

[Ian]

Right but weeks 1-5 pretty much sabotaged the season. To be 16th for 8 weeks and only 31 for the year says weeks 1-5 were really, really bad.

I don't disagree. But we're looking at it based on when AVP has had his best player - Maye - out there. He's middle of the road in his first season. Not my first choice, but he's turned out to be better than a lot of the criticism he was getting in the early going. Or certainly the least of their current issues.

Question: do you numbers account for byes? In other words many teams had byes since week 6 and played only 7 games while we played 8. Would ppg look much different?

The numbers are based on the actual NFL schedule - games played through whatever given week(s) is/are selected - Patriots/Texans/Ravens/Broncos/Colts/Commanders are all idle this week, and this is the final week where a bye will occur for any team this season.

 

[Triumph]

Teams are ranked by yards, so it is more common to state total offense ranking than points ranking, but you are correct points (and turnovers) are what matter most.
If the 1 spot from the bottom category makes you feel that much better, have at it.

Just pointing out your mistake.

At the end of the game all that matters is points.

 

[Ian]

I do not want EB. But AVP's successes are not greater than EB's.

Exactly. So why isn't AVP having some measure of success with Maye. Being #31 or #32 in the NFL with Maye is a disaster.

He's not. He's 16th in the NFL with Maye. The current numbers are including Brissett's totals. Remove those - save for the Jets game where he came in when Maye was concussed - and they're actually not far behind the Chiefs or the Dolphins (12/13 points). I'm not in love with AVP by any means - but for accuracy to be fair, he's significantly improved from that standpoint compared to the mess they were earlier in the season.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

He's not. He's 16th in the NFL with Maye. The current numbers are including Brissett's totals. Remove those - save for the Jets game where he came in when Maye was concussed - and they're actually not far behind the Chiefs or the Dolphins (12/13 points). I'm not in love with AVP by any means - but for accuracy to be fair, he's significantly improved from that standpoint compared to the mess they were earlier in the season.

Thanks. I figured the Myers stats might be dragging down the overall stats, but I had no idea it was that significant. Clearly another example that the NFL is all about the QB.

 

[Ian]

Thanks. I figured the Myers stats might be dragging down the overall stats, but I had no idea it was that significant. Clearly another example that the NFL is all about the QB.

It is pretty crazy. To @Ring 6 's point, the first five weeks were so bad that it absolutely skews their current rankings. They're at 221 points with four games left after scoring 236 all of last season. So they should surpass that and hopefully break the 300 mark. That's, of course, provided they keep taking steps forward.

 

[Ring 6]

I don't disagree. But we're looking at it based on when AVP has had his best player - Maye - out there. He's middle of the road in his first season. Not my first choice, but he's turned out to be better than a lot of the criticism he was getting in the early going. Or certainly the least of their current issues.

The numbers are based on the actual NFL schedule - games played through whatever given week(s) is/are selected - Patriots/Texans/Ravens/Broncos/Colts/Commanders are all idle this week, and this is the final week where a bye will occur for any team this season.

So if we did ppg over that period they might be hire a bit lower than 16, so that may be a faulty stat.

For example we scored 1 point more than the Vikings since week 6 but week 6 was their bye so they scored 1 less point but in 7 games instead of 8, so we shouldn’t be considered above them.

 

[Ian]

So if we did ppg over that period they might be hire a bit lower than 16, so that may be a faulty stat.

For example we scored 1 point more than the Vikings since week 6 but week 6 was their bye so they scored 1 less point but in 7 games instead of 8, so we shouldn’t be considered above them.