Eric Bienemy Available

[lancerman]

EB is not great. But AVP's track record is worse. AVP has never been an OC because noone trusted him to design and call plays. If you do not want EB because of his track record, and are being objective, AVP's track record is worse. AVP is running the #31 or #32 offense in the NFL, and previously no-one trusted him to be the OC. We now see why noone ever trusted AVP. I am not arguing for EB, I am simply pointing out that arguing against EB means you want AVP gone this year because, by objective measurement, AVP is worse the EB.

The thing is AVP's track record is exclusively being a first year OC who has to make up the gameplan and call plays (two things Bienemy did not do in KC) and has one of the worst lines and receiving casts in the NFL (something Bienemy never dealt with, even in the jobs he got fired from).

So yes, in a total vacuum, AVP does not have a resume. But it's mostly due to one year of experience where he has nowhere near the advantages or lack of responsibilities Bienemy had.

I don't mind at all saying AVP should be gone. I'm fine with that idea. I'm not crazy about the offense. But Bienemy is not my pick at all. I'm not interested.

 

[lancerman]

In 5 years Bieniemy was OC the Chiefs went to 3 SBs and won 2.
They ranked ranked 5,6,1 in scoring points. They led the NFL with 496 points score and won the SB his last year. Then they repeated while being 15th in scoring and scored 125 fewer points.
You know that and you write this because you have no real argument.

Again keep picking and choosing to ignore what facts you want to engage with so you can claim at the end "you have no real argument". Typical Andy tactic. And then you cry when you get called out.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

The thing is AVP's track record is exclusively being a first year OC who has to make up the gameplan and call plays (two things Bienemy did not do in KC

Two things that AVP did not do in Cleveland either - how is arguing that EB and AVP have the same background of value to the Patriots?

and has one of the worst lines and receiving casts in the NFL (something Bienemy never dealt with, even in the jobs he got fired from ).

This is a list of excuses. AVP also has Maye. EB never had a QB as good as Maye.

So yes, in a total vacuum, AVP does not have a resume. But it's mostly due to one year of experience where he has nowhere near the advantages or lack of responsibilities Bienemy had.

AVP lacks the experience for the wrong reasons. His old bosses did not trust him.

I don't mind at all saying AVP should be gone. I'm fine with that idea. I'm not crazy about the offense. But Bienemy is not my pick at all. I'm not interested.

I agree. AVP must go and I would not compaign for EB.

 

[Ring 6]

I literally gave you his team records, how his offenses performed from prior years, and who was drawing up and calling plays.

Those are facts. You being your usual mental midget self and throwing a fit doesn't change that.

The facts are what I posted showing the success of the chiefs offense before during and after his tenure.
Somehow you seem to think the offense improved under him then immediately got worse when he left and that has nothing to do with him.

Once again, diminishing him by saying he deserves no credit for the success that obviously he has a lot to do with, is you being you.

More you being you is that rather than discussing a disagreement, like you do every single time, you exhibit your lack of character by insulting the person you disagree with, the last bastion of an overmatched person. You are too predictable. Watch now, you will escalate the personal attacks.

 

[Ring 6]

Again keep picking and choosing to ignore what facts you want to engage with so you can claim at the end "you have no real argument". Typical Andy tactic. And then you cry when you get called out.

I didn’t ignore anything.

 

[lancerman]

Two things that AVP did not do in Cleveland either - how is arguing that EB and AVP have the same background of value to the Patriots?

This is a list of excuses. AVP also has Maye. EB never had a QB as good as Maye.

AVP lacks the experience for the wrong reasons. His old bosses did not trust him.

I agree. AVP must go and I would not compaign for EB.

Listen I'm not saying AVP is the answer. But if your argument is that Bienemy is better because Andy Reid made the plays and called the game for him while he had the best QB/TE/WR in football... I'm not sure that's a great argument to swap the two.

EB's never had a QB as good as Maye? The only time he ever had success was with Mahomes...

Again AVP is not confidence inspiring, but I want someone who can put together his own offense and is forward thinking.

 

[Ring 6]

Listen I'm not saying AVP is the answer. But if your argument is that Bienemy is better because Andy Reid made the plays and called the game for him while he had the best QB/TE/WR in football... I'm not sure that's a great argument to swap the two.

EB's never had a QB as good as Maye? The only time he ever had success was with Mahomes...

Again AVP is not confidence inspiring, but I want someone who can put together his own offense and is forward thinking.

If Andy Reid ran the offense and Bienemy had nothing to do it with it why was the offense worse before EB became OC and worse when he left?

 

[lancerman]

I didn’t ignore anything.

Sure Andy. Whatever you say. It's not like anybody can read what I wrote and see all the statistics you choose to ignore.

The facts are what I posted showing the success of the chiefs offense before during and after his tenure.
Somehow you seem to think the offense improved under him then immediately got worse when he left and that has nothing to do with him.

Once again, diminishing him by saying he deserves no credit for the success that obviously he has a lot to do with, is you being you.

More you being you is that rather than discussing a disagreement, like you do every single time, you exhibit your lack of character by insulting the person you disagree with, the last bastion of an overmatched person. You are too predictable. Watch now, you will escalate the personal attacks.

Here are facts. The only facts you posted were stats for 3 swasons.

Here are the facts of those seasons.
1. The HC made the offensive gameplan
2. The HC called the plays
3. He had the best QB in football
4. The entire NFL credits Kafka and not him with the development of that QB.
5. He had the best WR in football.
6. That WR was an all pro when Bienemy was still the running backs coach.
7. He had the best TE in football.
8. That TE was winning all pros when Bienemy was still the running backs coach.

Those are the facts and context of the seasons that you limited your argument to. If you would like to refute those, do it. Tell me I'm lying about any of that. **** tell me specifically what Bienemy did that made that offense potent.

Then after that explain why he was awful in Washington and UCLA and got fired in both places once he finally got a job where he was in more control of the offense.

I don't need personal insults to pick apart your argument. I just do that because it's fun and you can't help yourself.

 

[Ring 6]

Andy Reid post season record with Bienemy as OC 11-3
Andy Reid post season record with anyone else. 15-13

Andy Reid reg season win % with EB .780
Andy Reid reg season win % with anyone else .616

 

[Ring 6]

Sure Andy. Whatever you say. It's not like anybody can read what I wrote and see all the statistics you choose to ignore.


Here are facts. The only facts you posted were stats for 3 swasons.

Here are the facts of those seasons.
1. The HC made the offensive gameplan
2. The HC called the plays
3. He had the best QB in football
4. The entire NFL credits Kafka and not him with the development of that QB.
5. He had the best WR in football.
6. That WR was an all pro when Bienemy was still the running backs coach.
7. He had the best TE in football.
8. That TE was winning all pros when Bienemy was still the running backs coach.

Those are the facts and context of the seasons that you limited your argument to. If you would like to refute those, do it. Tell me I'm lying about any of that. **** tell me specifically what Bienemy did that made that offense potent.

Then after that explain why he was awful in Washington and UCLA and got fired in both places once he finally got a job where he was in more control of the offense.

I don't need personal insults to pick apart your argument. I just do that because it's fun and you can't help yourself.

You still don’t understand the difference between fact and an opinion.
6 of your 8 facts are opinions.

 

[Ring 6]

Sure Andy. Whatever you say. It's not like anybody can read what I wrote and see all the statistics you choose to ignore.


Here are facts. The only facts you posted were stats for 3 swasons.

Here are the facts of those seasons.
1. The HC made the offensive gameplan
2. The HC called the plays
3. He had the best QB in football
4. The entire NFL credits Kafka and not him with the development of that QB.
5. He had the best WR in football.
6. That WR was an all pro when Bienemy was still the running backs coach.
7. He had the best TE in football.
8. That TE was winning all pros when Bienemy was still the running backs coach.

Those are the facts and context of the seasons that you limited your argument to. If you would like to refute those, do it. Tell me I'm lying about any of that. **** tell me specifically what Bienemy did that made that offense potent.

Then after that explain why he was awful in Washington and UCLA and got fired in both places once he finally got a job where he was in more control of the offense.

I don't need personal insults to pick apart your argument. I just do that because it's fun and you can't help yourself.

You need personal insults because it’s who you are. Character, or lack of it always comes out.

 

[lancerman]

You still don’t understand the difference between fact and an opinion.
6 of your 8 facts are opinions.

No they aren’t bro. The three you could kinda argue are Mahomes, Kelce and Hill being the best at their respective positions. And even then it’s basically you arguing in the face of statistics and accolades at the time. Bienemy factually was the RB coach when they were winning All Pros, Reid was factually making the game plans, he was calling the plays. Mahomes credits Kafka with his development as have multiple ranking members in that org.

You are grasping at straws and floundering my man.

 

[Ring 6]

No they aren’t bro. The three you could kinda argue are Mahomes, Kelce and Hill being the best at their respective positions. And even then it’s basically you arguing in the face of statistics and accolades at the time. Bienemy factually was the RB coach when they were winning All Pros, Reid was factually making the game plans, he was calling the plays. Mahomes credits Kafka with his development as have multiple ranking members in that org.

You are grasping at straws and floundering my man.

You literally do not understand the difference between a fact and an opinion. It’s fun watching you melt down over it.

 

[lancerman]

You need personal insults because it’s who you are. Character, or lack of it always comes out.

You really want to have a character argument when I can literally pull up a post of you lying about who you are lol? Okay by all means

 

[lancerman]

You literally do not understand the difference between a fact and an opinion. It’s fun watching you melt down over it.

 

[Rob0729]

Compared to AVP?

Say what you will about AVP as an OC, but he has done a wonderful job developing Maye. You can actually see the improvement in the guy week to week.

In fact, if they replace AVP as OC in the offseason, I would still try to retain him as QB coach. That seems to be his talent.

 

[Ring 6]

No they aren’t bro. The three you could kinda argue are Mahomes, Kelce and Hill being the best at their respective positions. And even then it’s basically you arguing in the face of statistics and accolades at the time. Bienemy factually was the RB coach when they were winning All Pros, Reid was factually making the game plans, he was calling the plays. Mahomes credits Kafka with his development as have multiple ranking members in that org.

You are grasping at straws and floundering my man.

Travis Kelce is a 4 time all pro. In each of those 4 seasons his OC was Eric Bieniemy. He has never been an all pro with any other OC.
In the 5 seasons EB was his OC he had 4 of his 5 highest reception seasons, all 5 of his highest yards season (with one tie) and 4 of his 5 highest TD seasons.

Tyreek Hill is a 5 time all pro, the first being the year EB became OC. IT IS NOT TRUE THAT HE (or Kelce) WERE ALL PRO BEFORE EB BECAME OC.
he was all pro 3 of the 4 years EB was his OC.


Patrick Mahomes is a 2 time all pro, and his OC both times was…..Eric Bieniemy.

Per 16 games with EB as his OC Mahomes averages 4852 passing yards and 39 TD passes.
Per 16 games without EB Mahomes averages 4092 passing yards and 26 TD passes.

 

[Ring 6]

You really want to have a character argument when I can literally pull up a post of you lying about who you are lol? Okay by all means

Right on cue. As I predicted, your next step is to ramp up the personal attacks.
Playing you like a fiddle.

 

[Ring 6]

 

[lancerman]

Travis Kelce is a 4 time all pro. In each of those 4 seasons his OC was Eric Bieniemy. He has never been an all pro with any other OC.
In the 5 seasons EB was his OC he had 4 of his 5 highest reception seasons, all 5 of his highest yards season (with one tie) and 4 of his 5 highest TD seasons.

Tyreek Hill is a 5 time all pro, the first being the year EB became OC. IT IS NOT TRUE THAT HE (or Kelce) WERE ALL PRO BEFORE EB BECAME OC.
he was all pro 3 of the 4 years EB was his OC.


Patrick Mahomes is a 2 time all pro, and his OC both times was…..Eric Bieniemy.

Per 16 games with EB as his OC Mahomes averages 4852 passing yards and 39 TD passes.
Per 16 games without EB Mahomes averages 4092 passing yards and 26 TD passes.

Wrong. Bienemy became OC in 2018.

Kelce's first 1st Team All Pro was in 2016. His 2nd Team All Pro was in 2018.
Hill likewise had a 1st Team All Pro in 2016.

So you are just ****ing factually wrong there.

You can't even get basic dates right and think you are arguing in facts lol