Eric Bienemy Available

[Ring 6]

Nah, I am all for continuity.

AVP has been good for Maye. I'd like to see AVP/Maye operate with a decent OL and at least one game breaker at WR....

We are the #32 offense

 

[Ring 6]

Bienemy is really not good and will set Maye back. He is not it.He has no clue, was jag at Chiefs, failed in DC, now fired for how bad the offense was. Without Patrick, he has no clothes

Points scored ranking in KC as OC 1,5,6,4,1. Since he left 15,11

 

[Ring 6]

If the Pats are going to fire and replace any coach, it will happen in the offseason. Stupid to do it now. You cannot teach a new offensive system on the fly in the back third of the season.

Huh? I’m talking about hiring him for next year. This year is lost

 

[Dec54]

Bienemy good god no, spare us.

 

[1960Pats]

Kind of like why anyone with the name Belichick is the reason the defense was better last year...Mayo and Convington had almost nothing to do with it.

I see now. Anything that was done right was because of Belichick and anything that was done wrong had nothing to do with Belichick. Some day people will realize that it isn't about the coaches, it's about the players.
The lack of players is why the team sucked under Belichick and that's why it looks almost the same now as it did last year.
If I'm placing blame for the lack of talent, Mayo and Covington had absolutely nothing to do with that.

 

[1960Pats]

We are the #32 offense

That's another lie. The Pats are not #32 this year and are scoring 3.2 points per game more than they did last year.

It's as clear as the nose on Jimmy Durante's face that this year's team is almost identical to last year's team, only better on offense and worse on defense.

What the Pats need (and have needed for years) is someone who can recognize talent.

 

[Patsfan1645]

I see now. Anything that was done right was because of Belichick and anything that was done wrong had nothing to do with Belichick. Some day people will realize that it isn't about the coaches, it's about the players.
The lack of players is why the team sucked under Belichick and that's why it looks almost the same now as it did last year.
If I'm placing blame for the lack of talent, Mayo and Covington had absolutely nothing to do with that.

Nope....I'm not a Bill disciple, he did plenty wrong and I do blame the talent all on Bill. The talent between last years D and this years is similar but if you think the coaching and how they are playing this year is on par with last year I don't know what to tell you. The lack of adjustments and blown assignments this year is significant and I blame a lot of that on coaching.

 

[Ring 6]

That's another lie. The Pats are not #32 this year and are scoring 3.2 points per game more than they did last year.

It's as clear as the nose on Jimmy Durante's face that this year's team is almost identical to last year's team, only better on offense and worse on defense.

What the Pats need (and have needed for years) is someone who can recognize talent.

The Patriots are literally ranked 32 in total offense.

It appears your nose is blocking your vision.


Replacing Mac jones with drake Maye and scoring only 3.2 more ppg and being 32nd in offense and 31st in scoring is a decline in the other 10 spots on offense.

 

[Triumph]

Before he visits the Jets he can stop in Foxboro and see Thunder Kraft.

 

[Sect140]

I’m not against replacing AVP, but replace him with EB no thanks. When he was with KC he was the OC but all he did was receive the call from Andy Reid and then relayed it to the QB. Since then he’s had two jobs as an OC calling his own plays and he’s been one and done with both teams.

 

[lancerman]

Compared to AVP?

It's hard to compare Bienemy to anyone at all.

All of his success came from the Chiefs. But this is what happened on the Chiefs.

-He had arguably the greatest offensive HC ever making the gameplans.
-He was not calling the plays.
-He had the best QB in the NFL at the time and every single Chief's fan will tell you they credit Kafka and not Bienemy with his development.
-He had one of if not the premier WR's in the league at the time.
-He had a HOF level TE who is the best since Gronk.

Then the team won a Super Bowl without him.

He couldn't get a job as a HC because he couldn't convey what he contributed well and how it would translate. So to prove himself he went to Washington as an OC without Reid where he would have more control. There:

-He lasted a single season
-The team went 4-13
-the offense had 19.3 ppg. To give you a comparison the current Patriots offense which we all think is starved of skill player talent is at 17.
-The offense declined in both ppg and ypg from the year before under his OC tenure.

Then when he wasn't retained, he went to UCLA as an OC again and the team went 5-7 which again was a decline from the prior year and he got let go again.


Bienemy isn't going to come to New England with Andy Reid's brain and play calling, he isn't bringing Mahomes, he is going to run the furthest offense away from one with prime Kelce and Hill. The offensive line here is worse than any he ever coached.

There's really not much of anything to say Bienemy would be comparable to AVP in the same situation. He's been terrible in every situation except one where he had the least to do and was pretty much failproof. And even when he had that, nobody wanted him

 

[Ring 6]

It's hard to compare Bienemy to anyone at all.

All of his success came from the Chiefs. But this is what happened on the Chiefs.

-He had arguably the greatest offensive HC ever making the gameplans.
-He was not calling the plays.
-He had the best QB in the NFL at the time and every single Chief's fan will tell you they credit Kafka and not Bienemy with his development.
-He had one of if not the premier WR's in the league at the time.
-He had a HOF level TE who is the best since Gronk.

Then the team won a Super Bowl without him.

He couldn't get a job as a HC because he couldn't convey what he contributed well and how it would translate. So to prove himself he went to Washington as an OC without Reid where he would have more control. There:

-He lasted a single season
-The team went 4-13
-the offense had 19.3 ppg. To give you a comparison the current Patriots offense which we all think is starved of skill player talent is at 17.
-The offense declined in both ppg and ypg from the year before under his OC tenure.

Then when he wasn't retained, he went to UCLA as an OC again and the team went 5-7 which again was a decline from the prior year and he got let go again.


Bienemy isn't going to come to New England with Andy Reid's brain and play calling, he isn't bringing Mahomes, he is going to run the furthest offense away from one with prime Kelce and Hill. The offensive line here is worse than any he ever coached.

There's really not much of anything to say Bienemy would be comparable to AVP in the same situation. He's been terrible in every situation except one where he had the least to do and was pretty much failproof. And even when he had that, nobody wanted him

Blah, blah, blah the offense was better when he was the OC than it was before or after.

Do you really want to compare his resume to Alex freaking Van Pelt?

You want to diminish Bieniemys responsibility for success to favorably compare a guy who never had success to him? Yeah good luck with that.

 

[lancerman]

Blah, blah, blah the offense was better when he was the OC than it was before or after.

Do you really want to compare his resume to Alex freaking Van Pelt?

You want to diminish Bieniemys responsibility for success to favorably compare a guy who never had success to him? Yeah good luck with that.

This is why it's not worth engaging with you. You provide very selective context that literally every team in the league that considered him saw through and then pull your "blah blah blah" when you don't like everything else that came with it.

Literally nobody in the league wants the guy and he can't keep a job even as an OC at college.

Why even respond if you literally can't even engage with a single point I made and just deflect and gaslight?

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

This is why it's not worth engaging with you. You provide very selective context that literally every team in the league that considered him saw through and then pull your "blah blah blah" when you don't like everything else that came with it.

Literally nobody in the league wants the guy and he can't keep a job even as an OC at college.

Why even respond if you literally can't even engage with a single point I made and just deflect and gaslight?

But AVP has no record of success, at least EB has some record of success. AVP was available late last year because no-one wanted him. Maybe we want someone other the EB, but if you think EB sucks, what do you think of AVP? Andy has a point.

 

[Ring 6]

This is why it's not worth engaging with you. You provide very selective context that literally every team in the league that considered him saw through and then pull your "blah blah blah" when you don't like everything else that came with it.

Literally nobody in the league wants the guy and he can't keep a job even as an OC at college.

Why even respond if you literally can't even engage with a single point I made and just deflect and gaslight?

Because you don’t deal in facts you deal in “everyone knows” and garbage like that, hence blah, blah ,blah.

You shouldn’t engage with me, how that isn’t clear to you yet is very surprising.

The chiefs offense when he was OC ranked
1,5,6,4,1 in points and 1,6,1,3,1 in total offense

The 3 years before he became OC they were
9,13,6 and 27,20,5

Since he left they are 15,11 and 9,15

So for the 5 years he was the OC they were basically the best offense in football and before him and after him they are borderline top 10.
But he had nothing to do with the success. Wonderful analytical argument you have there.

 

[Ring 6]

But AVP has no record of success, at least EB has some record of success. AVP was available late last year because no-one wanted him. Maybe we want someone other the EB, but if you think EB sucks, what do you think of AVP? Andy has a point.

Don’t you understand? To make the fraud who has never been successful look good you must argue that the successful guy doesn’t deserve credit.
When you take away any credit for success, everyone’s an AVP

 

[lancerman]

Because you don’t deal in facts you deal in “everyone knows” and garbage like that, hence blah, blah ,blah.

You shouldn’t engage with me, how that isn’t clear to you yet is very surprising.

The chiefs offense when he was OC ranked
1,5,6,4,1 in points and 1,6,1,3,1 in total offense

The 3 years before he became OC they were
9,13,6 and 27,20,5

Since he left they are 15,11 and 9,15

So for the 5 years he was the OC they were basically the best offense in football and before him and after him they are borderline top 10.
But he had nothing to do with the success. Wonderful analytical argument you have there.

I literally gave you his team records, how his offenses performed from prior years, and who was drawing up and calling plays.

Those are facts. You being your usual mental midget self and throwing a fit doesn't change that.

 

[lancerman]

But AVP has no record of success, at least EB has some record of success. AVP was available late last year because no-one wanted him. Maybe we want someone other the EB, but if you think EB sucks, what do you think of AVP? Andy has a point.

AVP did not make the offensive game plans. Reid did. AVP did not call the plays. Reid did. With a defensive HC, Bienemy will be the one relied on to do that.

What's his track record when he does that? Not good.

On top of that. Bienemy's only record of success involved having the best QB, WR, and TE in football. 3 things he will not have with the Patriots and three things he has absolutely flopped without.

Also the Chiefs won a Super Bowl the year after he left.

Andy can't even describe what Bienemy actually contributed. He's just lashing out because he wants a quick fix. I don't like AVP. But Bienemy has clearly shown that outside of Reid's system that he is not far off from AVP.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

AVP did not make the offensive game plans. Reid did. AVP did not call the plays. Reid did. With a defensive HC, Bienemy will be the one relied on to do that.

What's his track record when he does that? Not good.

On top of that. Bienemy's only record of success involved having the best QB, WR, and TE in football. 3 things he will not have with the Patriots and three things he has absolutely flopped without.

Also the Chiefs won a Super Bowl the year after he left.

Andy can't even describe what Bienemy actually contributed. He's just lashing out because he wants a quick fix. I don't like AVP. But Bienemy has clearly shown that outside of Reid's system that he is not far off from AVP.

EB is not great. But AVP's track record is worse. AVP has never been an OC because noone trusted him to design and call plays. If you do not want EB because of his track record, and are being objective, AVP's track record is worse. AVP is running the #31 or #32 offense in the NFL, and previously no-one trusted him to be the OC. We now see why noone ever trusted AVP. I am not arguing for EB, I am simply pointing out that arguing against EB means you want AVP gone this year because, by objective measurement, AVP is worse the EB.

 

[Ring 6]

Also the Chiefs won a Super Bowl the year after he left.

In 5 years Bieniemy was OC the Chiefs went to 3 SBs and won 2.
They ranked ranked 5,6,1 in scoring points. They led the NFL with 496 points score and won the SB his last year. Then they repeated while being 15th in scoring and scored 125 fewer points.
You know that and you write this because you have no real argument.