(Edited Title:) Writer thinks Zappe is winning the QB "battle"?

[Ian]

Teams will still draft QBs in the first round over taking a 4th round backup and giving him a starting job.

That's true, but if that guy shows he can play when he gets the opportunity, then suddenly he's worth more than the 1st rounder. Obviously, you saw it last year in San Francisco. I mean, it does occasionally happen. And they'll let the 4th round guy compete in camp and if he shows something, they'll elevate him. It's rare, but it happens. We've seen it here.

 

[Rob0729]

FWIW, Bedard was on the air saying that Zappe has noticeably having issues seeing over the line and having to move around to get passing lanes to throw and he has double the sacks as Jones. He said it was the same thing he saw in the second half of the Bears game. He did say the caveat that Zappe had worse o-lines.

 

[PatsFan2]

Obviously you know I've supported Mac, but I'm also a realist. The guy is 2-0 and only had one bad game in four appearances (and he should have beaten Green Bay if Patricia hadn't gone conservative down the stretch).

We both know if he was a free agent, he'd absolutely be on someone's roster with a chance to compete for the starting role. You saying he hasn't shown enough makes it sound like you would rank him behind some of the worst QBs in the league who have all had a chance to start, and I know you don't believe he's that bad.

Excellent post Ian: that Chicago game is a blur to me ok I can still see Fields running all over BB's Defense. Again that Game would never have me pigeonholing Zappe that is so unfair to him it's only one game. The said the sample size Zappe showed us is that he can run a NFL Offense have good pocket presence and awareness he looked a lot more comfortable than Mac last year behind our OL again nobody is perfect.

 

[PatsFan2]

FWIW, Bedard was on the air saying that Zappe has noticeably having issues seeing over the line and having to move around to get passing lanes to throw and he has double the sacks as Jones. He said it was the same thing he saw in the second half of the Bears game. He did say the caveat that Zappe had worse lines.

New Orleans and San Diego did that for Drew Brees they're a lot of 6'1 QB's in the League Hurts - Purdy and Mayfield just to name a few.

 

[PatsFan2]

@Tunescribe knock it off.

 

[sb1]

New Orleans and San Diego did that for Drew Brees they're a lot of 6'1 QB's in the League Hurts - Purdy and Mayfield just to name a few.

Brees and Mayfield have much stronger arms than Zappe. Hurts obviously is way more mobile. You can get away with being a small QB in the NFL if you make up for it in other ways. Purdy does not have a strong arm but SF did a great job scheming for him, I'd imagine it would be the same in NE for Zappe.

 

[Ian]

Excellent post Ian: that Chicago game is a blur to me ok I can still see Fields running all over BB's Defense. Again that Game would never have me pigeonholing Zappe that is so unfair to him it's only one game. The said the sample size Zappe showed us is that he can run a NFL Offense have good pocket presence and awareness he looked a lot more comfortable than Mac last year behind our OL again nobody is perfect.

The issue with him getting passes batted down though is a very real thing. I thought he'd fix his release this offseason, but it doesn't look like he did. He slides around a lot to try and get around it, but that's going to catch up with him.

 

[Ian]

New Orleans and San Diego did that for Drew Brees they're a lot of 6'1 QB's in the League Hurts - Purdy and Mayfield just to name a few.

I'll also say the same thing I said yesterday. Had Zappe played better that night, the conversation would probably be different right now. Everybody has a key moment sometimes and that could definitely had been his had he kept running it up. I'd be willing to bet he's probably still annoyed with himself about it.

Instead, everything essentially got reset at that point. You can blame the Patriots defense, but the Patriots defense also had nothing to do with Zappe scoring zero points in that second half.

 

[PatsFan2]

Brees and Mayfield have much stronger arms than Zappe. Hurts obviously is way more mobile. You can get away with being a small QB in the NFL if you make up for it in other ways. Purdy does not have a strong arm but SF did a great job scheming for him, I'd imagine it would be the same in NE for Zappe.

Having McCaffrey - Samuels and Aiyuk helped a lot really excellent skilled position players.

 

[PatsFan2]

I'll also say the same thing I said yesterday. Had Zappe played better that night, the conversation would probably be different right now. Everybody has a key moment sometimes and that could definitely had been his had he kept running it up. I'd be willing to bet he's probably still annoyed with himself about it.

Instead, everything essentially got reset at that point. You can blame the Patriots defense, but the Patriots defense also had nothing to do with Zappe scoring zero points in that second half.

A lot happened that night against Chicago to say the least that said it sounds like Zappe is having a solid Sophomore Camp. The Preseason games and scrimmages will tell us more.

 

[Pape]

Purdy does not have a strong arm but SF did a great job scheming for him, I'd imagine it would be the same in NE for Zappe.

thats what kyle shanahan excels at, being able to scheme things qbs can take advantage of... at least in that aspect, he's one of the better coaches in the league

 

[PatsFan2]

thats what kyle shanahan excels at, being able to scheme things qbs can take advantage of... at least in that aspect, he's one of the better coaches in the league

His disciple Mike McDaniel is not bad either.

 

[Ring 6]

Obviously you know I've supported Mac, but I'm also a realist. The guy is 2-0 and only had one bad game in four appearances (and he should have beaten Green Bay if Patricia hadn't gone conservative down the stretch).

We both know if he was a free agent, he'd absolutely be on someone's roster with a chance to compete for the starting role. You saying he hasn't shown enough makes it sound like you would rank him behind some of the worst QBs in the league who have all had a chance to start, and I know you don't believe he's that bad.

We disagree, which is fine.
No I cannot think of a single team that would try to get him and insert him as a legitimate contender to win the startling QB job. (Not that i stopped to consider every single team but what team doesn’t have an entrenched starter or a young player they are high on with more future prospects than Zappe? )
what team(s) do you think he would be likely to start on?

 

[Ring 6]

Definitely and a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while. The Draft is not an exact science which Mayfield - Darnell and Josh Rosen can attest to. Did most think in the 2018 Draft that Allen and Jackson would be leagues better than those guys??

What is your point? That teams will suddenly change course and not draft QBs in round 1 and sign backups to become starters?

 

[Ian]

We disagree, which is fine.
No I cannot think of a single team that would try to get him and insert him as a legitimate contender to win the startling QB job. (Not that i stopped to consider every single team but what team doesn’t have an entrenched starter or a young player they are high on with more future prospects than Zappe? )
what team(s) do you think he would be likely to start on?

If he was a free agent, I think Tampa, Carolina, Seattle, Arizona, the Giants would be among teams who would have brought him in and let him compete. Again, it's a low risk on a guy who has had some moments. I'm not saying he deserves to start based on his resume, but you sort of alluded to the fact you think no one would want him. Someone absolutely would, especially at his current value.

 

[PatsFan2]

What is your point? That teams will suddenly change course and not draft QBs in round 1 and sign backups to become starters?

I'm saying it's a crap shoot nobody knows.

 

[TheRainMaker]

@Tunescribe knock it off.

Are you getting hit with a bunch of drive by's?

 

[Ring 6]

That's true, but if that guy shows he can play when he gets the opportunity, then suddenly he's worth more than the 1st rounder. Obviously, you saw it last year in San Francisco. I mean, it does occasionally happen. And they'll let the 4th round guy compete in camp and if he shows something, they'll elevate him. It's rare, but it happens. We've seen it here.

Purdy played because of injury.
My argument is not that Zappe will never get a chance to play, but that Zappe is a backup and his opportunity will only come due to injury or failure at qb, not because a team will decide the answer their qb problem by signing Zappe

 

[Ring 6]

I'm saying it's a crap shoot nobody knows.

Im talking about the likelihood as a backup QB that a team will come after him to make him their starter. It rarely happens.

 

[Ian]

Purdy played because of injury.
My argument is not that Zappe will never get a chance to play, but that Zappe is a backup and his opportunity will only come due to injury or failure at qb, not because a team will decide the answer their qb problem by signing Zappe

They'd have to sign him to begin with and feel like he could contribute something. If he's signed behind a top guy, then you're right, he probably would have to wait for his moment. But if he was signed behind someone who wasn't that great, there's a shot he outplays that person in the preseason.

Again, you made it seem like he wasn't at least as good or better than some worse names who ended up in those situations. All I'm saying is that you could probably go around the league right now and he's probably as good if not better than a couple of guys who will ultimately be starting in a few weeks. Although, granted, that isn't saying much.