Door open for Dola in NE

[Deus Irae]

Superbowls often come down to got to have it plays and amendola has made plenty.

4th down, 2pt conversion, tds..he may never have replaced welker in the production department, but in got to have it plays in the superbowl he surpassed him

Yes, if you make up a phony list of "must have" plays, you can come to that conclusion. It's sort of like saying Welker's not clutch because he dropped that one pass in 2011, despite that being the only target he didn't come up with that game. Watching that one play, which so many here originally blamed on Brady, become a symbol of the notion that Welker wasn't clutch has been both fascinating and disheartening, for what it says about both human tendencies over time and human idiocy.

According to Pro-Football-Reference.com, Welker had 69 catches on 90 targets (77%) in the playoffs, during his time in New England. Amendola's current 31 for 48 is 65%. Edelman's current 89 for 140 is 64%.

 

[IllegalContact]

Unfortunately, there's a steady stream of dump him comments here every off- season, in spite of his willingness to cut his salary every year. I don't get that at all.

Some idiot don't understand the ST value

Cooks? Nope
Mitchell? Nope
Hogan? Nope

He and Edelman are needed for their ST contributions

he's got 2 sb rings while not sniffing the playoffs before coming here

 

[QuantumMechanic]

The alcohol thing is actually in the separate Substance Abuse Policy document (https://nflpaweb.blob.core.windows.net/media/Default/PDFs/Active Players/Drug_SOA_Policy_9-29-14.pdf), not the main CBA. The relevant (2.2) part reads:

The Commissioner will review and may impose a fine, suspension, or other appropriate discipline if a Player is convicted of or admits to a violation of the law (including within the context of a diversionary program, deferred adjudication, disposition of supervision, or similar arrangement including but not limited to nolo contendere) relating to the use of alcohol. Absent aggravating circumstances, discipline for a first offense will be a suspension without pay for two (2) regular or postseason games. If the Commissioner finds that there were aggravating circumstances, including but not limited to felonious conduct,extreme intoxication (BAC of .15% or more), property damage or serious injury or death to the Player or a third party, and/or if the Player has had prior drug or alcohol-related misconduct, increased discipline may be imposed. Discipline for a second or subsequent offense, absent aggravating circumstances, will be a suspension without pay for eight (8) regular and/or postseason games as determined by the Commissioner

 

[Bill Lee]

Good “hit“ from Reiss today about Amendola:

Receiver Danny Amendola is scheduled to earn a base salary of $6 million in 2017, which will be reduced based on his projected role (No. 4-5 receiver) if he is going to remain on the club. The fact that Amendola wasn’t cut at the start of the 2017 league year is a good indication of how the Patriots are leaving the door open if he’d like to return at a lower salary, which would mark the third straight offseason that Amendola has accepted a reduced contract. One of the follow-up questions after the Patriots acquired Brandin Cooks in a trade from the New Orleans Saints was what that meant for Amendola, and it seems clear that the door is still open for him in New England if he wants to walk through it.


Amendola himself reportedly is willing to restructure but I am happy to read this from Reiss because to me it indicates that BB is still counting on him otherwise he would let him know way before FA in order to give him the best chance to find a new gig (like w Long and many others before). Since some were already saying goodbye to Danny I thought its a good hint to share..

Just heard a long interview with Chris Long on Albert Breer's podcast, and Long says he's the one who told Bill that he would not be back. He is thankful for his year here and did everything the team asked of him, but he simply wanted to not take the kind of pounding he took here and wants to return to being more of a pass rush specialist. He thinks doing so will extend his career and be more satisfying too.

 

[mgteich]

That's way over the top PT. The Pats paid Amendola handsomely in his first years with the team, way over the production they got for that very limited production (mostly due to injuries). He's done very well here overall. His current cap number is still a product of that first deal. BOTH sides recognize that hat his age, size and injury history that cap number is way past ridiculous.

DA has just 2 options, refuse to renegotiate, get released, and HOPE you can get a minimum wage deal somewhere new, OR renegotiate a deal that pays him more for what a 5th WR should expect.

Of course it's the later; DA is now a New Englander. He's got family in the area and will likely live here after he retires. I expect him to get a contract that will give him a $500,000 signing bonus (for past contributions), $1MM in salary (assuming he makes the team), and $1MM in incentives, most of which he won't reach as a 5th WR.

However, as a back up slot receiver and KO/PR, he adds depth, experience, and enough value to the justify his salary and incentives. If someone emerges to take his place, he gets that $500,000 parting gift for all the good he's done. But that's all. That's all he is at this point, and a hallmark of this era of success is that you NEVER pay for past production.

Unless we want Edelman as our punt returner, then part of Amendola's compensation should be based on being a punt returner. Personally, I think Amendola is well worth the money you state as a punt returner, and as a backup wide receiver. I disagree that any signing bonus would be for past contributions.

 

[Dillon46]

At times Ive been unfairly critical of Amendola. For that I do truly take it back.

I think for me and speaking for many others im sure the loss of Welker to the Donkeys was a slap in the face. Danny was at that point his immeadiate replacement. So sadly the pressure on him was enourmous. Filling Welkers shoes and justifying the contract he was given. Its fair to say hes never lived up to the role of Slot/#2 on the depth chart. But what he lacks in Pro-Bowl numbers he mote than makes up in Mr. Clutch in post season and SuperBowl. Quite honestly the dude catches every damn ball in the post season and only gets better when the pressure is dialed up and we MUST have that 1st down or TD or a little 2pt Conversion.

Im happy to hear he and BB are both more than willing to work out a reduction/ extention. I also very much hope they bring back Michael Floyd as well. There is too much upside for such a tiny role of the dice.

Dola will obviosly enough be Injury Ins if JE11 goes down. Floyd can see plenty of playing time and brings a big-bodied WR who can help supplement Gronk if he goes down besides Dwayne Allen. Just because we got lucky last year without to many injuries to our core players doesnt mean you should act like it wont happen this year.

I just hate it when our depth charts go to **** after the injury bug wipes out what once was our strength position to now a glaring weakness. Slater should never be elevated to 2 or 3 on the depth chart...So yeah you can say im stupid or greedy but Dola and Floyd should both be here besides Cooks, Edelman, Hogan and Mitchell. I think that is a group that is very complimentary of each other and gives Brady the entire playbook on any given down/scenario

WR1 : Cooks
WR2 : Hogan
Slot : Edelman
WR3 : Floyd (Red-Zone/TE backup)
WR4 : Mitchell (still will get targets)
WR5 : Amendola (Slot2, 3rd/4th Down go to)

Couldnt hurt to give an aging Brady a receiver thats super friendly for those deep balls and go up and get it throws. Plus that block he threw in the Dolphins game to pave the way for that TD was amazing.Damn I loved that more than his TD with 3 dudes pratically raping him and refusing to go down till paydirt. Dude will be a baller for us after his suslension is done. He deserves to have Brady throwing to him as well as Amendola. Been a big fan of his and loved him coming out of Notre Dame. He could just be downright scary in a McDaniels Offense.

 

[primetime]

That's way over the top PT. The Pats paid Amendola handsomely in his first years with the team, way over the production they got for that very limited production (mostly due to injuries). He's done very well here overall. His current cap number is still a product of that first deal. BOTH sides recognize that hat his age, size and injury history that cap number is way past ridiculous.

DA has just 2 options, refuse to renegotiate, get released, and HOPE you can get a minimum wage deal somewhere new, OR renegotiate a deal that pays him more for what a 5th WR should expect.

Of course it's the later; DA is now a New Englander. He's got family in the area and will likely live here after he retires. I expect him to get a contract that will give him a $500,000 signing bonus (for past contributions), $1MM in salary (assuming he makes the team), and $1MM in incentives, most of which he won't reach as a 5th WR.

However, as a back up slot receiver and KO/PR, he adds depth, experience, and enough value to the justify his salary and incentives. If someone emerges to take his place, he gets that $500,000 parting gift for all the good he's done. But that's all. That's all he is at this point, and a hallmark of this era of success is that you NEVER pay for past production.

Maybe! But I wouldn't be surprised if Amendola plays out the year at his current cap number. And, frankly, I'd rather have Amendola on the team and playing for his current salary than the money just stand idle. This is all just theory for us, but it's probably the last big paycheck Amendola will see as a pro.

 

[Brilliance Belichick]

The Pats have been known to "pay back" players who take pay cuts and play like winners in future years with either a new contract, a signing bonus, etc. Any chance the Pats keep Dola on the books with his current number (given their cap space) as a way showing other players that when you take one for the team, the teams makes it up to you?

 

[PP2]

Not to mention that Floyd will be suspended from 2-6 games. (The CBA section on substance abuse discipline allows Roger to to give a longer-than-standard suspension when DUI has been extreme, and Floyd pled guilty to extreme DUI, not just regular DUI, so Roger has a basis to invoke that.)

Which is all the more reason he'll be signed as he won't count against the roster, and who knows which receiver will get injured 1/4 to 1/2 of the way through the season?

 

[mariomega]

Just sign the beast.

He is clutch as ****, GOAT trusts him and he is as a patriot as it gets.

Sign him and WR position is set.

 

[Simpelton]

There isn't a 5th WR on the market I'd take over Dola. That's the bottom line here.

 

[supafly]

WR1 : Cooks
WR2 : Hogan
Slot : Edelman
WR3 : Floyd (Red-Zone/TE backup)
WR4 : Mitchell (still will get targets)
WR5 : Amendola (Slot2, 3rd/4th Down go to)

Couldnt hurt to give an aging Brady a receiver thats super friendly for those deep balls and go up and get it throws. Plus that block he threw in the Dolphins game to pave the way for that TD was amazing.Damn I loved that more than his TD with 3 dudes pratically raping him and refusing to go down till paydirt. Dude will be a baller for us after his suslension is done. He deserves to have Brady throwing to him as well as Amendola. Been a big fan of his and loved him coming out of Notre Dame. He could just be downright scary in a McDaniels Offense.

I don't think many of us would complain about having those 6 receiving options, but we've also got to remember that Belichick has only kept 4 as recently as this past year, so even having a WR5 is pushing it. Even though they do very different things and have very different strengths/weaknesses, I'd still choose Amendola over Floyd.

Neither are under contract (edit: at Amendola's current price) so it's hard for me to believe that they'll both be signed, and if they are it will most likely be to see if Floyd has improved by the end of training camp. I'm not necessarily against your idea of 6, but it's probably unlikely in my opinion.

 

[mgteich]

I don't think many of us would complain about having those 6 receiving options, but we've also got to remember that Belichick has only kept 4 as recently as this past year, so even having a WR5 is pushing it. Even though they do very different things and have very different strengths/weaknesses, I'd still choose Amendola over Floyd.

Neither are under contract, so it's hard for me to believe that they'll both be signed, and if they are it will most likely be to see if Floyd has improved by the end of training camp. I'm not necessarily against your idea of 6, but it's probably unlikely in my opinion.

Amendola is a signed member of the patriots. I also prefer Amendola over Floyd. Without Amendola, we would still need a punt returner. I also prefer Amendola as a receiver who well understands the system.

 

[supafly]

Amendola is a signed member of the patriots. I also prefer Amendola over Floyd. Without Amendola, we would still need a punt returner. I also prefer Amendola as a receiver who well understands the system.

Yes, technically he is still under contract, although that may not be for long. I edited my post to clarify that I meant not at the current deal.

 

[ausbacker]

I don't think many of us would complain about having those 6 receiving options, but we've also got to remember that Belichick has only kept 4 as recently as this past year, so even having a WR5 is pushing it. Even though they do very different things and have very different strengths/weaknesses, I'd still choose Amendola over Floyd.

Neither are under contract (edit: at Amendola's current price) so it's hard for me to believe that they'll both be signed, and if they are it will most likely be to see if Floyd has improved by the end of training camp. I'm not necessarily against your idea of 6, but it's probably unlikely in my opinion.

I'm going to buck my economical mind here but Amendola's clutch play in the playoffs has earned him the right to keep every single penny owed. I realize there's no room for sentiment in the NFL, it's a WHYDFML league but when the Patriots went to him on the 2 point conversion, that said everything I needed to know about what the coaches think of his hands. Mind you, he'll restructure, the Pats will keep him, the other receivers will enjoy their fill and Amendola will come alive in the playoffs. So it is written.

 

[Soliel]

When the money is on the table id want him around.

 

[supafly]

I'm going to buck my economical mind here but Amendola's clutch play in the playoffs has earned him the right to keep every single penny owed. I realize there's no room for sentiment in the NFL, it's a WHYDFML league but when the Patriots went to him on the 2 point conversion, that said everything I needed to know about what the coaches think of his hands. Mind you, he'll restructure, the Pats will keep him, the other receivers will enjoy their fill and Amendola will come alive in the playoffs. So it is written.

I'd be very disappointed if he were to leave. I think he's an obvious choice to keep as a WR5 this year, particularly with Julian's problem foot that could flare up at any given moment.

I hang a new autographed picture in my home office with each SB, and I'm strongly considering the Amendola 2-PT conversion. The HT strip and Incredelman catch are right there in the running, though.

 

[ausbacker]

I'd be very disappointed if he were to leave. I think he's an obvious choice to keep as a WR5 this year, particularly with Julian's problem foot that could flare up at any given moment.

I hang a new autographed picture in my home office with each SB, and I'm strongly considering the Amendola 2-PT conversion. The HT strip and Incredelman catch are right there in the running, though.

Believe me, I still pinch myself and enjoy a moment of reflection for what unfolded. I've never seen anything quite like that at the top level and to cap it off, it couldn't have happened to a better team, our team!

 

[supafly]

Believe me, I still pinch myself and enjoy a moment of reflection for what unfolded. I've never seen anything quite like that at the top level and to cap it off, it couldn't have happened to a better team, our team!

I was so stunned that I didn't even get to properly enjoy the moment. Looking back, it still feels weird seeing it on replays. I'm not quite certain it has fully hit me, yet.

 

[PP2]

I don't think many of us would complain about having those 6 receiving options, but we've also got to remember that Belichick has only kept 4 as recently as this past year, so even having a WR5 is pushing it. Even though they do very different things and have very different strengths/weaknesses, I'd still choose Amendola over Floyd.

Neither are under contract (edit: at Amendola's current price) so it's hard for me to believe that they'll both be signed, and if they are it will most likely be to see if Floyd has improved by the end of training camp. I'm not necessarily against your idea of 6, but it's probably unlikely in my opinion.

My thinking, as seen in my previous post is that BB will seek to resign Floyd because he will not count against the roster until his suspension is served, and in this way is a good insurance policy in case one of our receivers go down early in the season, or for when another player goes down.