Browns coaching staff “irate” with FO over Garoppolo trade

[Patsfanin Philly]

(A) They probably still wouldn't have outbid the 49ers. (B) The 49ers have the added advantage of being in the other conference.

and they didn't fire BB...... Even if it was the old franchise sometimes hate lingers, even decades later...

 

[Ring 6]

and they didn't fire BB...... Even if it was the old franchise sometimes hate lingers, even decades later...

How can he hate a team because a different team fired him and moved and a brand new one was formed in the same city?
Its Belichick, not Queeg.

 

[PatsDeb]

At this point Cleveland wasn't in the running because they did not have a back-up QB that could be sent the Patriots' way to take Garropolo's place. Their time to get Jimmy G would have been this spring, or at least before Brisette was dealt to the Colts. They either didn't try hard enough then, or the Pats weren't dealing, depending on whom you believe. The Pats could have called them and asked them to outbid SF, but they didn't (unless the FO was already home in bed, LOL). What does that tell you?

 

[BelizePats]

In looking at this trade with SF, you can't underestimate the value that Hoyer represents to the Patriots in this deal.

1. By SF releasing him, instead of including him in the deal, the pats likely save a 3rd, 4th or 5thround comp draft pick in 2018.
2. The Pats get a QB that knows the system and is far more ready to plug and play than any other back up QB in the league, should Brady get hurt.
3. The 3 year deal that Hoyer signed with the Pats gives the team excellent back up QB stability for the remainder of Bradys most productive years in the league.

If Cleveland had been willing to say throw in an additional 3rd round pick on top of the second, had we tried to maximize JG's value by trading with them instead of SF as many on this board wished we had done, is that 3rd from Cleveland really worth more than points 1-3 listed above? I don't believe so!

 

[NG Pats Fan]

In looking at this trade with SF, you can't underestimate the value that Hoyer represents to the Patriots in this deal.

1. By SF releasing him, instead of including him in the deal, the pats likely save a 3rd, 4th or 5thround comp draft pick in 2018.
2. The Pats get a QB that knows the system and is far more ready to plug and play than any other back up QB in the league, should Brady get hurt.
3. The 3 year deal that Hoyer signed with the Pats gives the team excellent back up QB stability for the remainder of Bradys most productive years in the league.

If Cleveland had been willing to say throw in an additional 3rd round pick on top of the second, had we tried to maximize JG's value by trading with them instead of SF as many on this board wished we had done, is that 3rd from Cleveland really worth more than points 1-3 listed above? I don't believe so!

All good points except number 2.

Please...Brian Hoyer is not a good nfl starting QB. If something happened to brady we would be toast.

Why? Hoyer has a really weak arm so his chemistry with cooks would be non existent

Hoyer is not much of an athlete. Not a playmaker can’t improvise or make big plays when the pocket collapses

He is like a poor mans Alex Smith. Game manager who is incapable of winning you games with his arm. Hoyer actually has one of the five worst arms in the nfl

Our offense requires a good armed QB one who can make all the throws and do it 50 times a game If need be

 

[BelizePats]

I can't argue Hoyers physical limitations. You are 100% correct on that!

But can you name me a better back up that would be more ready to play in our system if Brady went down (God forbid) during next weeks game?

 

[LuRkeR1978]

JimmyG doesn't deserve to die a slow, painful, death in Cleveland. I'm okay with the trade.

 

[Ring 6]

At this point Cleveland wasn't in the running because they did not have a back-up QB that could be sent the Patriots' way to take Garropolo's place. Their time to get Jimmy G would have been this spring, or at least before Brisette was dealt to the Colts. They either didn't try hard enough then, or the Pats weren't dealing, depending on whom you believe. The Pats could have called them and asked them to outbid SF, but they didn't (unless the FO was already home in bed, LOL). What does that tell you?

Why would you assume the patriots didn’t reach out to Cleveland before completing the deal?

 

[farn]

Would be interesting to see what BB and company would be able to do if they ok over everything for Cleveland starting this February. Bet he'd get them close to .500 in the first season (post draft/team building).

 

[Wiluven]

Why would you assume the patriots didn’t reach out to Cleveland before completing the deal?

Because the Browns would of likely offered the same deal for JG that they offered for AJ and the Pats would of definitely taken it as it’ll be a higher second and also a third.

 

[IcyPatriot]

We're talking a possible extra 3rd vs having Hoyer.
If Brady gets hurt we have a chance with Hoyer - we would have no chance with anyone else that was available.

Not enough time to change the system for the QB and not enough time for the new QB to learn the system.
We don't even have all our receivers healthy and we are woefully thin at TE.
Our RB's are good enough because they are decent receivers with Brady - not good enough running to win a Super Bowl on their backs.

The trade was good enough.

 

[Ring 6]

Because the Browns would of likely offered the same deal for JG that they offered for AJ and the Pats would of definitely taken it as it’ll be a higher second and also a third.

They have a number of 2nds and 3rds. No one ever said it was their own. In fact no one ever confirmed it was a second and 3rd only “2 mid round picks”
Today a 2+hoyer is better than a 2+ 3 and definitely better than a late 2 and late 3.

They may like McCarron better the JAG since Hue Jackson knows McCarron from coaching him in cincy.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

The Browns fans hate BB with a passion, mostly because he got rid of Bernie Kosar but also because he was the fall guy for the team leaving Cleveland.

I went to two games in Cleveland since Belichick arrived and both times they kicked our butts. They beat Bledsoe's team 19-11 in 2010 and crushed Brady's 34-14 in 2010.

Maybe Bill's upset about that.

Maybe about Brady's team, but Bledsoe was retired for 3 years by the game you saw and gone from NE for 8... I'm thinkin you flipped a digit there

 

[zoostation]

it's hard to find a worse franchise than the Cleveland Clowns. Relevant for about 20 minutes in the 1980's.

 

[PatsDeb]

Why would you assume the patriots didn’t reach out to Cleveland before completing the deal?

Because the whole story is that Cleveland's FO fiddled while Rome burned (i.e. they had no idea what was going on). Why would you assume they DID reach out before completing the deal? Obviously an integral part of it was Hoyer being released so the Pats could sign him and not have to deal with the back up QB conundrum again for another 3 years, if need be. Cleveland did not have a back-up QB familiar with the Pats' system to be in the running.

 

[DarrylS]

The Browns FO should have been inquiring all day about potential trade targets, instead of waiting for someone to contact them.. they are the ones with the draft capital.

The ineptitude of that organization is on full display for the rest of the NFL to watch and laugh at..

 

[DarrylS]

it's hard to find a worse franchise than the Cleveland Clowns. Relevant for about 20 minutes in the 1980's.

Very relevant in the 50's when Paul Brown was the coach and in the 60's when Jim Brown was the running back.. they were perennial powerhouses in the old NFL..

They won 4 NFL Championships prior to the Superbowl era..

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

How can he hate a team because a different team fired him and moved and a brand new one was formed in the same city?
Its Belichick, not Queeg.

Same city, same media and considering BB's relationship w the media, I can believe it.....

 

[PatsDeb]

The Browns FO should have been inquiring all day about potential trade targets, instead of waiting for someone to contact them.. they are the ones with the draft capital.

The ineptitude of that organization is on full display for the rest of the NFL to watch and laugh at..

Agreed, but I don't think they had the goods (a back-up QB familiar with the Pats' system) to be in the running for Jimmy G at this point in time anyway.

 

[Ring 6]

Same city, same media and considering BB's relationship w the media, I can believe it.....

So you think belichick will not do what is best for his team because he doesn’t like the media in a city so will take less in trade to not send a player to that city...because he wants to punish the media? Really? That’s crazy.
By the way how does that explain the other trades he has made with Cleveland, including Jamie Collins? Did he forget about this rule when he traded Collins to the media he hates?