PATRIOTS NEWS Belichick criticism mega-thread

[1960Pats]

This is where you make mistakes, assuming people's age.
I'm almost 40, so don't try to lecture me, please.

I am a Patriots fan since my 10s, so stop this ****.

Brady was not just a good QB, and if you really think we are going to accept this blasphemy, you are for a rude awakening.

You can continue as long as you want, I do not agree with you, it's just your twisted perception because of your crush on BB. Facts.

Answer, did BB win before or after Brady? Tell me his record without Brady. You won't tell me, you know why? Because you don't want to be embarrassed here.

Let me help. Bill's record without Brady is:
Pats - 26 wins 28 losses, 0-0 playoffs
Clev - 36 wins 44 losses, 1-1 playoffs
Total - 62 wins 72 losses, 1-1 playoffs

 

[Rob0729]

Yeah, I never claimed any of what you mentioned. Feel free to lump other people in your crusade here. I haven't said a thing against BB or the gamers on the Old teams, I'm not on any side here trying to attribute more or less. But seeing how far you're going to diminish Bradys impact on the dynasty is really impressive. Contortionist one may say.

But I didn't mean that part specifically for you. But if you are going to call people like me out who say that Brady wasn't elite, you should call out the people who say without Brady this team would have no rings and Brady made the defense play above their ability.

I still maintain there are other QBs who could have won with the Pats in 2001 and 2003 because the defense were that good and the league was still a defensive focused league back then especially in the playoffs. I am not diminishing Brady there. He was a very good QB, but there were other QBs in the league then who were also very good and could have won with a great defense especially the 2003 defense.

And I have also said that Brady around 2004 became more important to this team than Belichick. In part because Brady did become elite and part that the league started to change to make it a more QB and passing focused league.

Nothing I said is diminishing Brady whatsoever. I have said many times he is the greatest of all time. He just wasn't the main reason the Pats got Super Bowl rings in 2001 and 2003. But unfortunately the only way I can argue point is focusing on his negatives and not his positives.

 

[mariomega]

Let me help. Bill's record without Brady is:
Pats - 26 wins 28 losses, 0-0 playoffs
Clev - 36 wins 44 losses, 1-1 playoffs
Total - 62 wins 72 losses, 1-1 playoffs

Thank you.

To sum it up: he sucks without Brady.

 

[Deus Irae]

Brady wasn't a Pro Bowler in 2001. He was a Pro Bowl alternate in 2002. But so were Jeff Garcia and Kordell Stewart. Were they elite in 2002 too? Pro Bowl is a popularity contest.

Coming from you, I wear it as a badge of honor. You were a Belichick hater complaining that Belichick was wasting Brady's remaining years because at 34 or 35, Brady only had a few years left. It was comical then when you embarrassed yourself on this board. I guess you have years of pent up hate because you couldn't complain about Belichick during the the second dynasty run.

I've never been a Belichick hater. Your desire to keep clowning yourself to the point where you're a more than willing liar is impressive, though.

 

[mariomega]

I've never been a Belichick hater. Your desire to keep clowning yourself to the point where you're a more than willing liar is impressive, though.

Hahaha he is a natural.

 

[Deus Irae]

It changes one point out of a half dozen. Thanks for playing.

It kills that argument. You're welcome.

 

[Rob0729]

I've never been a Belichick hater. Your desire to keep clowning yourself to the point where you're a more than willing liar is impressive, though.

Anyone who was here like 8-9 years ago remember your constant whining about how Belichick is ruining Brady's last few years as top QB. Stop with that. You went on for years with that BS.

 

[Rob0729]

It kills that argument. You're welcome.

One of six. Care to try to do the other arguments.

 

[mariomega]

Anyone who was here like 8-9 years ago remember your constant whining about how Belichick is ruining Brady's last few years as top QB. Stop with that. You went on for years with that BS.

And he was right. Since 2014 Brady was dealing with hell.

 

[Deus Irae]

Anyone who was here like 8-9 years ago remember your constant whining about how Belichick is ruining Brady's last few years as top QB. Stop with that. You went on for years with that BS.

Pointing out chances blown is not the same as hating. Not only that, but my gripes were mostly about BB the GM not bringing in the help, particularly at WR (the middle-deep position especially), not BB the coach blowing games or the like, although there were a couple of those (See Philly Super Bowl). And I was correct.



Stop clowning yourself.

 

[Deus Irae]

One of six. Care to try to do the other arguments.

Your arguments have all sucked, and I don't recall a single one holding up against the scrutiny of others. That one was just blatant.

 

[1960Pats]

Here's an interesting question for Team Tom Supporters like myself and a guy who criticize Bill on anything he does, do you want to see Bill crash and burn to prove your point that Brady was the reason for their success?

I don't believe that any Pats fan would want that to happen for any reason.

 

[gobesmug]

When you have posters calling the guy's whose position is - 'Brady is a walking legend, GOAT QB, and deserves more credit than Belichick for the second half of the Patriots dynasty' - Rob Parker for his alleged Brady hate, you know we've reached an irrational, witch-hunt level divide on this forum.

I didn't see those comments, only the comments saying Peyton Manning would have scored more points in the Superbowl against the Rams in 01 than Brady did. My point was NE never gets to the Superbowl with 2001 version of Peyton.

Brady was the perfect QB for the 2001 season.

The 2003 season could have been won with a lot of other QBs, as the defense was that good that year. The 01 def while good, was nothing historically good, like the 03 and 04 defenses were.

 

[Rob0729]

Pointing out chances blown is not the same as hating. Not only that, but my gripes were mostly about BB the GM not bringing in the help, particularly at WR (the middle-deep position especially), not BB the coach blowing games or the like, although there were a couple of those (See Philly Super Bowl). And I was correct.



Stop clowning yourself.

LOL! You are too funny. All you did was whine. Twelve months a year. It was pathetic.

 

[Rob0729]

Your arguments have all sucked, and I don't recall a single one holding up against the scrutiny of others. That one was just blatant.

The truth sucks when you hate Belichick as much as you do.

 

[gobesmug]

Stop being silly. Way to miss the point. Brady is the greatest of all time. I am just not willing to rewrite history and deny the fact that he wasn't an elite QB his few years in the league.

Brady in 2002 led the league in passing TDs with 28 and threw 14Ints.

For comp Peyton threw 27tds but had 19ints to go along with an elite RB and elite WRs which Brady most certainly didn't have.

So yeah I would say Brady elite was in his second season and clutch AF in his first season.

 

[1960Pats]

I am team Tom but rooting for Bill to fail means rooting for the Patriots to fail which I can't do. I was rooting for us to win every game last year even late in the season when we had no shot at the playoffs and would only hurt our draft position. Now I am not going to lie I am pretty pissed at Bill for the way he has managed the roster and running off Brady so I kind of like to see him catching hell for it. He deserves it.

I don't get why Kraft gets a free pass on the loss of Brady.

 

[mariomega]

I don't believe that any Pats fan would want that to happen for any reason.

I do want. With all due respect, I do.
Lakers did the right thing with Kobe, he sucked but they rode with him.

And Brady represented much more to NEP. And besides, he did not suck like Kobe.

So yes, I want BB to crash and burn. Kraft can also be my guest.

 

[203Pat]

I don't get why Kraft gets a free pass on the loss of Brady.

I agree. If he allegedly meddled in the Jimmy G situation why not step in with Brady? Tell Bill sit in the corner Tom and I are going to work this out.

 

[mariomega]

I agree. If he allegedly meddled in the Jimmy G situation why not step in with Brady? Tell Bill sit in the corner Tom and I are going to work this out.

Yes.
But he is a coward, a spineless man that left Brady get ****ed by Goodell. I won't forget this, neither the fact he could not stop BB.
He is the owner. He could tell BB: **** you, Brady is staying until he wants to retire.