BB Admits 2020 Is Bridge Year

[libra957]

So what,Bill Belichick is entitled to at least one bad year after two decade of success.

 

[XLIX]

Lets list the records of all the great coaches without their HOF QBs. This media stat is the most overrated stat. BB himself says its a players game . Players win games and coach lose them . Yet people think BB calls himself greater than the players and keep saying Brady is more important.

I actually thought this was an interesting thing to research, so here is what I came up with (I did not do in depth research, so these definitely may be off a game or 2 here and there):

Bill Belichick (without Brady): 56-68, 1-1 in the playoffs
Don Shula (I took away his best QB, Dan Marino, but that leaves HoFer Bob Griese in these stats): 181-63, 2 Super Bowl Championships
Bill Walsh (without Montana): 8-24
Chuck Noll (without Bradshaw): 86-97, 2-3 in the playoffs
Joe Gibbs: No HoF QB, won SB with 3 different ones. If you take away Theismann, he was 113-78 with 2 SB's.
Bill Parcells: No HoF QB, won SB with 2 different ones (2nd SB was Hostetler in a backup role taking over for an injured Simms)
Tom Landry (without Staubach): 165-133, several playoff appearances and 1 SB appearance, but no championships

Of all of the above, Gibbs was the least reliant on one single player and has the most success with different players. Shula had 2 HoFers so he maintains an impressive record if you only take away 1 of them.

 

[lancerman]

I hope you don't mind but I took a lot of your write here which is excellent and used it on another Pats forum, putting in my own spin. LOL

Your points here are excellent and well articulated. I keep hearing but, but we won 3 SBs. That is not the point of the discussion of the current state of the team which you lay out perfectly in this post.

Yeah that’s fine. I take it as a compliment

 

[RodThePat]

Would probably be getting sh!t on by this board like Harry is. People really think a go-route guy was coming into the Pats offense with Brady as QB and becoming what he has become in Seattle? Nah. He would have f**ked up one too many times and Brady would have froze him out like he's done to guys before.

Name a single receiver Brady "froze out" that went on to accomplish anything of note elsewhere. F'in Scotty Miller is catching sideline bombs from Brady every week in Tampa, but he wouldn't have wanted to throw to Metcalf. Right.

 

[BradytoMosstoGronk]

Would probably be getting sh!t on by this board like Harry is. People really think a go-route guy was coming into the Pats offense with Brady as QB and becoming what he has become in Seattle? Nah. He would have f**ked up one too many times and Brady would have froze him out like he's done to guys before.

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Seems like he does more than go routes. Also, he's an exquisite talent, zero chance he gets froze out or doesn't succeed here. The people that get froze out genuinely suck or don't know what they're doing, and their track record post NE prove that.

 

[Twentytothree]

I don’t think too many are getting “a thrill” out of calling out Belichick.

If it's not this "thrill" than what is the malfunction of people posting the same context-less statistics over and over in the same thread?

 

[PWRxWLF]

I actually thought this was an interesting thing to research, so here is what I came up with (I did not do in depth research, so these definitely may be off a game or 2 here and there):

Bill Belichick (without Brady): 56-68, 1-1 in the playoffs
Don Shula (I took away his best QB, Dan Marino, but that leaves HoFer Bob Griese in these stats): 181-63, 2 Super Bowl Championships
Bill Walsh (without Montana): 8-24
Chuck Noll (without Bradshaw): 86-97, 2-3 in the playoffs
Joe Gibbs: No HoF QB, won SB with 3 different ones. If you take away Theismann, he was 113-78 with 2 SB's.
Bill Parcells: No HoF QB, won SB with 2 different ones (2nd SB was Hostetler in a backup role taking over for an injured Simms)
Tom Landry (without Staubach): 165-133, several playoff appearances and 1 SB appearance, but no championships

Of all of the above, Gibbs was the least reliant on one single player and has the most success with different players. Shula had 2 HoFers so he maintains an impressive record if you only take away 1 of them.

And none of them had a cap to worry about.

 

[lancerman]

So what,Bill Belichick is entitled to at least one bad year after two decade of success.

It’s both. He’s entitled to some slack but he also has valid criticism

 

[Boomer B]

If it's not this "thrill" than what is the malfunction of people posting the same context-less statistics over and over in the same thread?

It’s a Pats Forum. What are people supposed to discuss? There’s multiple articles out there. It’s a topic of discussion whether we like it or not.

 

[XLIX]

And none of them had a cap to worry about.

Neither did their opponents. That aside, I am not sure any of them had GM power the way Belichick does, except maybe Parcells towards the end of his career with the Jets and Cowboys (and his first two years in NE but certainly not his last 2), but those teams were not where he had his success.

 

[amfootball]

Excellent post
Absolutely
We knew this was a rebuild year. The cap was a total mess due to Brady leaving, Gronk, Gostkowski, like 25M in dead cap money

The issue was never that it would be a rebuild year. It is Bill passing the buck and not taking any accountability for the state of the roster.

 

[Uptown]

 

[sb1]

Bill Belichick’s excuses about the salary cap are disingenuous - The Boston Globe

It was noteworthy when he spoke up about the Patriots' depleted roster, but the cap is not the reason for that.

www.bostonglobe.com

I don't disagree in general but I can just see the smile on Trollin's face as he wrote this.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

The issue was never that it would be a rebuild year. It is Bill passing the buck and not taking any accountability for the state of the roster.

That is crazy. He was correct that they went all out for Brady. Putting aside the accuracy of the scouting quality he got, he spent a 1st round pick on NKeal Harry and then burned a second round pick for Sanu. Signed AB and then Kraft made him cut AB. Extended a bunch of older guys to keep the run going thinking he still had Brady. So he did moves that were for the short term while having Brady. This is all true. It's not even an excuse, it's fact. And then with Brady leaving that accelerated a 14M dead money cap hit this year just on Brady alone, and plus other players that was 25M in dead cap money.

 

[BelizePats]

I actually thought this was an interesting thing to research, so here is what I came up with (I did not do in depth research, so these definitely may be off a game or 2 here and there):

Bill Belichick (without Brady): 56-68, 1-1 in the playoffs
Don Shula (I took away his best QB, Dan Marino, but that leaves HoFer Bob Griese in these stats): 181-63, 2 Super Bowl Championships
Bill Walsh (without Montana): 8-24
Chuck Noll (without Bradshaw): 86-97, 2-3 in the playoffs
Joe Gibbs: No HoF QB, won SB with 3 different ones. If you take away Theismann, he was 113-78 with 2 SB's.
Bill Parcells: No HoF QB, won SB with 2 different ones (2nd SB was Hostetler in a backup role taking over for an injured Simms)
Tom Landry (without Staubach): 165-133, several playoff appearances and 1 SB appearance, but no championships

Of all of the above, Gibbs was the least reliant on one single player and has the most success with different players. Shula had 2 HoFers so he maintains an impressive record if you only take away 1 of them.

This is really interesting. Thanks for taking the time to do this.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Good stuff. So I bet the Newton right-side thing was actually because NKeal Harry played exclusively on the right side and Harry sucks and can't get open, and Cam shows he can clearly throw right when a WR is open there.
Sounds like Derek Rivers is on his way out. Winovich needs to play more. And the Pats have zero big man depth after Guy and Shelton.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

I actually thought this was an interesting thing to research, so here is what I came up with (I did not do in depth research, so these definitely may be off a game or 2 here and there):

Bill Belichick (without Brady): 56-68, 1-1 in the playoffs
Don Shula (I took away his best QB, Dan Marino, but that leaves HoFer Bob Griese in these stats): 181-63, 2 Super Bowl Championships
Bill Walsh (without Montana): 8-24
Chuck Noll (without Bradshaw): 86-97, 2-3 in the playoffs
Joe Gibbs: No HoF QB, won SB with 3 different ones. If you take away Theismann, he was 113-78 with 2 SB's.
Bill Parcells: No HoF QB, won SB with 2 different ones (2nd SB was Hostetler in a backup role taking over for an injured Simms)
Tom Landry (without Staubach): 165-133, several playoff appearances and 1 SB appearance, but no championships

Of all of the above, Gibbs was the least reliant on one single player and has the most success with different players. Shula had 2 HoFers so he maintains an impressive record if you only take away 1 of them.

Not sure if this proves anything. It doesn't prove anything.

 

[203Pat]

This is a garbage take. The OL is among the best in the league, so is the defensive backfield, the RB's are deep and talented. The LB'ers and TE's are teenagers but talented. They have good pieces at DT (Guy) but could use some more, and they have some good WR's. The receiving weapons appear worthless because they are allen wrench bolts and Cam is a rubber mallet. With even a "good" not great QB this team is competitive, they don't currently have that. "Lack of talent" is the laziest take on the planet.

I am sorry but you're living on a different planet.

The OL is solid but our two best linemen will probably be gone.

The secondary is good but we will be losing Gilmore now or in four months from now. Still have to pay JC Jackson, Jon Jones has been inconsistent, and both McCourty's are likely gone. Our secondary in all likelihood will not be as strong next year as it is this year.

The D-line will possibly lose multiple role players and possibly Guy and the only young one who looked like a potential stud is now in the doghouse for arguing with Bill or talking on the radio or something stupid.

The receiving core is flat out bad. Worst in the league. Mahomes couldn't save this group.

They needed a real veteran NFL caliber TE now since Gronk retired and we have ended up with Lance Kendricks, Austin Seffarian-Jenkins, Matt Lacosse, and the corpse of Ben Watson. Now that we finally decided to draft someone at the position they don't get a target and are lucky to be on the active roster. Bill couldn't have bungled this position any worse if he deliberately tried.

The LB's are young and who knows if they can play. Well aside from Bentley who has been put in position to fail and he is failing with flying colors. Another group that desperately could have used a veteran once Hightower opted out.

Cam has not played well there is no way around it but he has also been put in a terrible spot. He is throwing to practice squad players and the OC doesn't seem to be doing much in the way of making him comfortable. Bill can b*tch all he wants about Covid, the salary cap, or whatever else but Bill failed this team as a GM. Plain and simple. I don't know what "selling out" he did to go to those last few Super Bowls. He signed Gilmore? I cant recall any other deal that really moves the needle. We currently have two players making over $10 million this year. If the Chiefs can find a way to pay Mahomes, Hill, Kelce, Watkins, Chris Jones, Frank Clark, Mathieu, and everyone else I am sure Bill should be able to figure out how to pay a significantly more competitive team than he has put together this year. I don't know what is going on with him this year with the commercials and the excuses but the state of the team is squarely on him and him only.

 

[amfootball]

That is crazy. He was correct that they went all out for Brady. Putting aside the accuracy of the scouting quality he got, he spent a 1st round pick on NKeal Harry and then burned a second round pick for Sanu. Signed AB and then Kraft made him cut AB. Extended a bunch of older guys to keep the run going thinking he still had Brady. So he did moves that were for the short term while having Brady. This is all true. It's not even an excuse, it's fact. And then with Brady leaving that accelerated a 14M dead money cap hit this year just on Brady alone, and plus other players that was 25M in dead cap money.

Those are all Bill's decisions, correct? I mean he had to take an expensive flyer on AB because he had not drafted any WRs. Same with spending the 2 on Sanu. And he could have easily extended Brady back when Brady asked in 17 and 18 but instead he put 2 dummy years on that created the dead cap. If he did not expect Brady to leave after that than he is truly not as smart as we all have given him credit for. But the point remains, all decisions are Bill's. He made a ton of mistakes the last 6 years with the draft and the handling of the QB position. The issue most of us have is that he won't OWN any of it. His comments insinuate that the state of the team is just the natural process of the way league is structured. That is totally baloney.

 

[wpdougie2180]

Patriots had a similar number last year in dead cap as they do this year according to Sportstrac & OverTheCap. Make of that what you will