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BB Admits 2020 Is Bridge Year

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He has like a 6 year run where his top pick was either a bust or got injured right before the season. Easley, Brown, Jones, Rivers, Wynn, Harry. Wynn was the only good one and he missed his first year and nearly half his second year. Then the only other first rounder he drafted was Michel who is clearly not a feature back. When you can pretty much burn your top picks for nearly half a decade, yeah it’s going to lead to issues later on.

People here are having a huge issue of causation =\ correlation. Just saying “oh we won SB’s” doesn’t change the reasons for the current predicament, not does it mean those issues now are responsible for SB wins. From 09-14 we drafted extremely well and it resulted in a SB burst. We stopped drafting well in 2015, especially in the first few picks where most value is. Even worse when you consider a complete inability to draft a pass catcher since 2010.

Also..... they were in cap hell this year, largely because of overextending on free agency talent. We got saved last minute by once in a lifetime opt outs caused by a pandemic (which also hurt the team).

I really don’t think people understand how much of a floor Brady gave us in 2018-2019. This is a not a good team right now. If we were 3-4 or 4-3 we could maybe find something to hang our hat on. But we are 2-5 and our season ended before the halfway point. We aren’t even in a position to be fighting for a wildcard spot or have meaningful games at the end of the season. Right now only 4 teams in the league have less wins than us and we are 7th in line for wildcard spots and the closest team to us are the Broncos who have a head to head tiebreaker which means we are more than 1 game out from all of 6 teams in front of us. In a 16 team conference, we are currently in a 3 way tie for 11th place. This is not a good team period, and it did not need to be this way
I hope you don't mind but I took a lot of your write here which is excellent and used it on another Pats forum, putting in my own spin. LOL

Your points here are excellent and well articulated. I keep hearing but, but we won 3 SBs. That is not the point of the discussion of the current state of the team which you lay out perfectly in this post.
 
In the first 4 years (5 or more back in the early 2000's) of a QB's career, they're a cost controlled item. Even high draft picks are relatively (NFL) cheap. In that time you can surround said QB with a lot of talent, spend a lot of money on other positions, lock cornerstone players into longterm contracts. These QB's are a blank slate, so you can give them any (young/inexperienced) weapon and they will work with them because they don't know any better. You can field a better offense, defense and special teams because the single largest expenditure on any given team is usually the QB. Patrick Mahomes was the best QB in the NFL in 2018 and won league MVP, the Chiefs paid him 1.2 million dollars.

Look at the Chiefs and Ravens now in full bloom, then look what happened to Seattle once they had to pay Russell Wilson... the "Legion Of Boom" dissipated faster than bacon wrapped scallops on the buffet table. Seattle went through down year and to his credit Carroll rebounded nicely. But it's easy to field a great team when you're paying a QB a rookie wage. Once they've proved themselves and garnered a massive contract, you'd better have your core players already paid or on long term deals that paid them a large sum upfront for the long haul. This isn't the old days where the "Monsters Of The Midway" or "The Steel Curtain" were locked into team friendly deals, this is the era of modern free agency where players have the ability to go out and get what they're worth. Chuck Noll never had to deal with the salary cap.

When BB says they "sold out to win the last five years" you need to look at the results, look at the wild success the first five years, look at the wild success the last five years. The middle of Brady's carer just so happens to be when he received the largest contracts of his Patriot's career. And the teams back then were good, but had little room for error or injury. They let Richard Seymour walk and paid Ty Warren a really good contract, not Seymour big but near top dollar, a year later he suffered a career ending hip injury and for the next three years we had to watch Vince Wilfork play next to Kyle Love instead of another blue chip DT.

The last five years they've had some of the best O-Lines, Defense and Special Teams units in the NFL, some of the deepest teams in the league, and each year the money slowly drained away, the cap debt slowly accumulated and they borrowed from the future to make sure they were deep enough to incur injury, sign free agents mid-season, to give themselves the best chance to win.

BB is not making excuses. The guy has an economics degree from Wesleyan and his boss is a billionaire who saved the NFL during the labor dispute... they know what the f**k they're talking about. The majority of NFL teams model themselves after the Patriots Way and have emulated their business model for the last decade or more. This isn't John Madden football with the salary cap and trade restrictions turned off, this is real life with real NFL salary cap rules in place.

BB is not making excuses, he's telling you the truth. Some posters here (myself included) pointed this out when they decided to move on from Brady and hit reset. It was a big picture, longterm view in the best interest of the franchise going forward. Media members have been waiting years, decades in some cases to spell the Patriots doom, opposing fans around the league are celebrating the demise of the team that stomped them out and made the NFL seem unfair for two decades.

Ignore the noise, ignore the media hate, learn to enjoy the process once again. Try to remember what it felt like back in the early 90's when Parcells arrived and there was hope on the horizon, when you took satisfaction in watching the growth of young players.

BB isn't making excuses, some of you can't see the big picture or are buying the media hype... some of us saw this coming.

"We've already spoken at length about Stidham, a lot is riding on if he can do the job and how well. They're probably a year away from competing for a ring even if Stidham is "good" to "great," and the schedule is a grind. I'd say the same thing if Brady were starting. The talent is there to compete, the young talent probably isn't ready or experienced enough to compete. Enjoy the process." - Wozzy May 4, 2020

"I didn't expect them to win a ring before optouts, now they have to rely on rookies and second year players more than they did before. This is a reloading year." - Wozzy: Aug 12, 2020
 
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If Bill is in a mood to be open and honest maybe it’s a good time for someone to ask him why Malcolm Butler was benched.
 
A bridge year to a year without a quarterback...bold strategy
 
"It's not anyone's fault" L.........O.........L. Yeah bill, it's not your fault at all that this team lacks serious talent right now.

 
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In the first 4 years (5 or more back in the early 2000's) of a QB's career, they're a cost controlled item. Even high draft picks are relatively (NFL) cheap. In that time you can surround said QB with a lot of talent, spend a lot of money on other positions, lock cornerstone players into longterm contracts. These QB's are a blank slate, so you can give them any (young/inexperienced) weapon and they will work with them because they don't know any better. You can field a better offense, defense and special teams because the single largest expenditure on any given team is usually the QB. Patrick Mahomes was the best QB in the NFL in 2018 and won league MVP, the Chiefs paid him 1.2 million dollars.

Look at the Chiefs and Ravens now in full bloom, then look what happened to Seattle once they had to pay Russell Wilson... the "Legion Of Boom" dissipated faster than bacon wrapped scallops on the buffet table. Seattle went through down year and to his credit Carroll rebounded nicely. But it's easy to field a great team when you're paying a QB a rookie wage. Once they've proved themselves and garnered a massive contract, you'd better have your core players already paid or on long term deals that paid them a large sum upfront for the long haul. This isn't the old days where the "Monsters Of The Midway" or "The Steel Curtain" were locked into team friendly deals, this is the era of modern free agency where players have the ability to go out and get what they're worth. Chuck Noll never had to deal with the salary cap.

When BB says they "sold out to win the last five years" you need to look at the results, look at the wild success the first five years, look at the wild success the last five years. The middle of Brady's carer just so happens to be when he received the largest contracts of his Patriot's career. And the teams back then were good, but had little room for error or injury. They let Richard Seymour walk and paid Ty Warren a really good contract, not Seymour big but near top dollar, a year later he suffered a career ending hip injury and for the next three years we had to watch Vince Wilfork play next to Kyle Love instead of another blue chip DT.

The last five years they've had some of the best O-Lines, Defense and Special Teams units in the NFL, some of the deepest teams in the league, and each year the money slowly drained away, the cap debt slowly accumulated and they borrowed from the future to make sure they were deep enough to incur injury, sign free agents mid-season, to give themselves the best chance to win.

BB is not making excuses. The guy has an economics degree from Wesleyan and his boss is a billionaire who saved the NFL during the labor dispute... they know what the f**k they're talking about. The majority of NFL teams model themselves after the Patriots Way and have emulated their business model for the last decade or more. This isn't John Madden football with the salary cap and trade restrictions turned off, this is real life with real NFL salary cap rules in place.

BB is not making excuses, he's telling you the truth. Some posters here (myself included) pointed this out when they decided to move on from Brady and hit reset. It was a big picture, longterm view in the best interest of the franchise going forward. Media members have been waiting years, decades in some cases to spell the Patriots doom, opposing fans around the league are celebrating the demise of the team that stomped them out and made the NFL seem unfair for two decades.

Ignore the noise, ignore the media hate, learn to enjoy the process once again. Try to remember what it felt like back in the early 90's when Parcells arrived and there was hope on the horizon, when you took satisfaction in watching the growth of young players.

BB isn't making excuses, some of you can't see the big picture or are buying the media hype... some of us saw this coming.

"We've already spoken at length about Stidham, a lot is riding on if he can do the job and how well. They're probably a year away from competing for a ring even if Stidham is "good" to "great," and the schedule is a grind. I'd say the same thing if Brady were starting. The talent is there to compete, the young talent probably isn't ready or experienced enough to compete. Enjoy the process." - Wozzy May 4, 2020

"I didn't expect them to win a ring before optouts, now they have to rely on rookies and second year players more than they did before. This is a reloading year." - Wozzy: Aug 12, 2020
We have no talent/depth anywhere except for the DBs and our best one is about to be traded. We don't even have a kicker.
 
Bills poor drafting an restocking talent is why we are where we are.

Patriots were able to win 3 superbowls in the second window due to bill having some pretty good drafts which netted us guys like Gronkowski, Edelman, hightower, McCourty etc.

what star starters have we drafted since then? thats the problem. As Gronkowski and Edelman got older and slower we never replaced those guys.
 
This time, due to BB et al, that I feel more optimistic than during those years.. in those years it seemed like jag coach after jag coach would shuffle through..

A lot of future cap space will also be helpful..
Agree.

In theory it should be easier as there is already a system/culture/football czar in place and a ton of cap place to play with.
 
We have no talent/depth anywhere except for the DBs and our best one is about to be traded. We don't even have a kicker.
This is a garbage take. The OL is among the best in the league, so is the defensive backfield, the RB's are deep and talented. The LB'ers and TE's are teenagers but talented. They have good pieces at DT (Guy) but could use some more, and they have some good WR's. The receiving weapons appear worthless because they are allen wrench bolts and Cam is a rubber mallet. With even a "good" not great QB this team is competitive, they don't currently have that. "Lack of talent" is the laziest take on the planet.
 
We have no talent/depth anywhere except for the DBs and our best one is about to be traded. We don't even have a kicker.

What? The RBs are a solid group too. And Nick Folk has been better than Gostkowski was his last few years. He may not be Butker or Tuck, but he's been reliable...

If you want to talk no skill at QB, TE, or WR, then I would agree with you.
 
Would be nice if the defense could tackle better than they have- that would solve a lot of problems stopping the run. The Ravens will punish them if they don't.
 
This is a garbage take. The OL is among the best in the league, so is the defensive backfield, the RB's are deep and talented. The LB'ers and TE's are teenagers but talented. They have good pieces at DT (Guy) but could use some more, and they have some good WR's. The receiving weapons appear worthless because they are allen wrench bolts and Cam is a rubber mallet. With even a "good" not great QB this team is competitive, they don't currently have that. "Lack of talent" is the laziest take on the planet.

yeah, people are acting as if the whole roster is devoid of talent. Its really at Wide receiver and tight end. Cam hasnt been playing well either but as we see in Tampa, alot of a QB's play is contingent on the weapons he has. If we have NFL calibar receivers/tight ends and at least 1 guy who is a "stud" we would be winning alot of these games

I'm not quite sure what the answer is either. Id like to say the draft as most teams do. but Bill cant draft wide receivers for the life of him. seeing DK metcalf tear it up while harry sits on IR just hurts. So it just might have to be via trade/free agency.
 
yeah, people are acting as if the whole roster is devoid of talent. Its really at Wide receiver and tight end. Cam hasnt been playing well either but as we see in Tampa, alot of a QB's play is contingent on the weapons he has. If we have NFL calibar receivers/tight ends and at least 1 guy who is a "stud" we would be winning alot of these games

I'm not quite sure what the answer is either. Id like to say the draft as most teams do. but Bill cant draft wide receivers for the life of him. seeing DK metcalf tear it up while harry sits on IR just hurts. So it just might have to be via trade/free agency.
Which is why this team has no business finishing 2-14 like some think they will (or want them to).
 
The 21-24 record is with the Patriots, add his 36-44 Browns record into the mix and it’s even worse. I think we are regally far away, further than people even think. Thuney, Andrews, White, Guy, Butler, Jackson, Wise, Simon, Calhoun and Burkhead are all free agents after the season.

To be fair then Josh McDaniels is like 3-30 without Tom Brady across St Louis, Denver, and now.

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In the first 4 years (5 or more back in the early 2000's) of a QB's career, they're a cost controlled item. Even high draft picks are relatively (NFL) cheap. In that time you can surround said QB with a lot of talent, spend a lot of money on other positions, lock cornerstone players into longterm contracts. These QB's are a blank slate, so you can give them any (young/inexperienced) weapon and they will work with them because they don't know any better. You can field a better offense, defense and special teams because the single largest expenditure on any given team is usually the QB. Patrick Mahomes was the best QB in the NFL in 2018 and won league MVP, the Chiefs paid him 1.2 million dollars.

Look at the Chiefs and Ravens now in full bloom, then look what happened to Seattle once they had to pay Russell Wilson... the "Legion Of Boom" dissipated faster than bacon wrapped scallops on the buffet table. Seattle went through down year and to his credit Carroll rebounded nicely. But it's easy to field a great team when you're paying a QB a rookie wage. Once they've proved themselves and garnered a massive contract, you'd better have your core players already paid or on long term deals that paid them a large sum upfront for the long haul. This isn't the old days where the "Monsters Of The Midway" or "The Steel Curtain" were locked into team friendly deals, this is the era of modern free agency where players have the ability to go out and get what they're worth. Chuck Noll never had to deal with the salary cap.

When BB says they "sold out to win the last five years" you need to look at the results, look at the wild success the first five years, look at the wild success the last five years. The middle of Brady's carer just so happens to be when he received the largest contracts of his Patriot's career. And the teams back then were good, but had little room for error or injury. They let Richard Seymour walk and paid Ty Warren a really good contract, not Seymour big but near top dollar, a year later he suffered a career ending hip injury and for the next three years we had to watch Vince Wilfork play next to Kyle Love instead of another blue chip DT.

The last five years they've had some of the best O-Lines, Defense and Special Teams units in the NFL, some of the deepest teams in the league, and each year the money slowly drained away, the cap debt slowly accumulated and they borrowed from the future to make sure they were deep enough to incur injury, sign free agents mid-season, to give themselves the best chance to win.

BB is not making excuses. The guy has an economics degree from Wesleyan and his boss is a billionaire who saved the NFL during the labor dispute... they know what the f**k they're talking about. The majority of NFL teams model themselves after the Patriots Way and have emulated their business model for the last decade or more. This isn't John Madden football with the salary cap and trade restrictions turned off, this is real life with real NFL salary cap rules in place.

BB is not making excuses, he's telling you the truth. Some posters here (myself included) pointed this out when they decided to move on from Brady and hit reset. It was a big picture, longterm view in the best interest of the franchise going forward. Media members have been waiting years, decades in some cases to spell the Patriots doom, opposing fans around the league are celebrating the demise of the team that stomped them out and made the NFL seem unfair for two decades.

Ignore the noise, ignore the media hate, learn to enjoy the process once again. Try to remember what it felt like back in the early 90's when Parcells arrived and there was hope on the horizon, when you took satisfaction in watching the growth of young players.

BB isn't making excuses, some of you can't see the big picture or are buying the media hype... some of us saw this coming.

"We've already spoken at length about Stidham, a lot is riding on if he can do the job and how well. They're probably a year away from competing for a ring even if Stidham is "good" to "great," and the schedule is a grind. I'd say the same thing if Brady were starting. The talent is there to compete, the young talent probably isn't ready or experienced enough to compete. Enjoy the process." - Wozzy May 4, 2020

"I didn't expect them to win a ring before optouts, now they have to rely on rookies and second year players more than they did before. This is a reloading year." - Wozzy: Aug 12, 2020

Excellent post
Absolutely
We knew this was a rebuild year. The cap was a total mess due to Brady leaving, Gronk, Gostkowski, like 25M in dead cap money
 
Bridge year and could arguably be 6-1 or 5-2

-Newton kicks it outside against the Seahawks

-Newton plays in the game against the Chiefs (game was still somehow a game in the 4th with Hoyer)

-Turnovers that setup the Broncos in NE territory which they got 2 FGs after the defense forced (2) 3 and outs, which ended up being the difference between having to go for it at the end and kicking a FG to win

-McDaniels pounds Harris at the end against the Bills

YOU CAN SAY THAT ABOUT A LOT OF TEAMS

Ya and i'm not a fan of them, so I don't care.
 
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DK metcalf

Would probably be getting sh!t on by this board like Harry is. People really think a go-route guy was coming into the Pats offense with Brady as QB and becoming what he has become in Seattle? Nah. He would have f**ked up one too many times and Brady would have froze him out like he's done to guys before.
 
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