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A Note to Bob Kraft

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Thread got even angrier! I accept much of the responsibility.
 
First three items seem to be things he's done for the Cowboys specifically, not the sport as a whole.

Last item seems to be arguing that he helped the league grow, but I'm not entirely sure that growth is always a good thing for the sport. For instance, Thursday night games have grown the league and increased revenue, but certainly hasn't been good for the sport played on the field.

I don’t like the guy at all but he’s a big part of the reason that the league is a multi billion dollar juggernaut. He pioneered the mega television deals, forced the other owners into seeing how lucrative licensing deals could be, pushed for new stadiums to be built, pushed for a team in LA, and pioneered “PSLs”. He didn’t do a ton for the fans but he’s made himself and the other 31 owners significantly richer.
 
Dear Mr. Kraft<

Please have some members of the grounds crew grab Lou Merloni and squish him face first into an industrial woodchipper,

Sincerely, the army of pizzed off Pats fans that want this little baseball twat to become a Picasso print...

Local kid turns bad.

Too bad that he became such a ****. He used to be likable.
 
Than k you for clarifying your understanding.

You won't understand it when Kraft is in the HOF.

So far nobody in this thread can answer the simple question what more Kraft has done than any of the other owners I have mentioned.

I am not ripping him but am trying to have a good faith discussion where someone explains to me what exactly separates Kraft over the last 15 years from others like Ford, Wilf, Biscotti, Khan, Schneider (rip) or the Rooneys ?

But instead of specific answers it is just crickets and deflection.

So please.. in the last 15 years what has he done to distinguish himself as a great owner and not just one the group of "good" ones ?
 
So please.. in the last 15 years what has he done to distinguish himself as a great owner and
not just one the group of "good" ones ?

Limiting it to the last 15 years seems arbitrary and cynically I think it's because it serves your argument.

Let's look at his entire resume. Since he's taken over he's hired 2 coaches. One of them is the greatest of all time. That is all that matters. But even the other coach he hired is possibly a HoF coach in his own right.

That's all I need out of an owner to consider him great. Maybe my standards are too low. Maybe hiring the greatest coach of all time should just be expected.
 
Limiting it to the last 15 years seems arbitrary and cynically I think it's because it serves your argument.

Let's look at his entire resume. Since he's taken over he's hired 2 coaches. One of them is the greatest of all time. That is all that matters. But even the other coach he hired is possibly a HoF coach in his own right.

That's all I need out of an owner to consider him great. Maybe my standards are too low. Maybe hiring the greatest coach of all time should just be expected.
Not to mention a coach where took a lot of flak for even considering him.
 
Limiting it to the last 15 years seems arbitrary and cynically I think it's because it serves your argument.

That is the thing, I am not being cynical here at all. If nobody cat point to anything that distinguishes him in the last 1.5 decades of ownership it just goes to show how there are no arguments for him to be a great owner but merely in the pack of good owners.

And I don't understand what is wrong with acknowledging that.

Like I said in my first post here I am extremely thankful for him taking over the team, not moving it, signing BB and building Gilette. But after that I struggle to come up with things he is doing that other owners are not. His community outreach stuff is commendable but almost every team is doing this. Same with facility upgrades.
 
Him not interfering during times of success is not particularly impressive. There is no need for that when things are going well. Just like York was happy while the 49ers had their successful 2-3 years under Harbaugh and turned into a lunatic once that phase ended.

The real measure comes when there is little success and the owners I mentioned have showed the same restraint even then. Again, what makes him stand out from others ?

If you have to ask this question apparently you cannot recognize the success of this organization and what RK has built on Route 1, not just logistical but attitude wise as well... after Parcells left he realized he needed to take a different approach. Developing a winning culture has completely changed the way the Pats are perceived both in New England and across the NFL....

After living through the incompetence and shenanigans of Sullivan, Kiam and Orthwein. Mr. Kraft is head and shoulders above them all.

The continual denigration of him from my view is completely unfounded.
 
Apparently, they like what they see. They are the most bizarre fan base.

I agree.

Patriots fans - complaints about owner, 10 SB trips 6 Sb rings
Cowboys fans - “like what they see” - zero SB trips

Got it.

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If the Pats get penalized again, how much do you want to bet that Kraft will just accept the punishment?

I've criticized Bobby previously for his "Thank you sir! May I have another?" Deflategate response to the league but I'm 180-ing on this one. He SHOULD just accept any rational punishment in this instance. And apologize. Especially to the fans. Bob Kraft is responsible for the non-football operations of the NEP. HIS employees & 1099s, not BB's caused this fiasco.
 
I've criticized Bobby previously for his "Thank you sir! May I have another?" Deflategate response to the league but I'm 180-ing on this one. He SHOULD just accept any rational punishment in this instance. And apologize. Especially to the fans. Bob Kraft is responsible for the non-football operations of the NEP. HIS employees & 1099s, not BB's caused this fiasco.

Depends on what the punishment is...
 
I agree.

Patriots fans - complaints about owner, 10 SB trips 6 Sb rings
Cowboys fans - “like what they see” - zero SB trips

Got it.

.

He's a good owner, but it's not like Romulus and Remus should be given credit for the Roman Empire...
 
Thread got even angrier! I accept much of the responsibility.

I was planning on blaming you for much of it anyway.
You freely accepting much of the responsibility might deter some people from piling on but having observed the Ring Johnson / Andy 6 methodology in action here at patsfans I have come to the realization now is the time to blame you for most of it.
 
Thank you!

You finally said you'd take Virginia McCaskey (Bears) and the Town of Green Bay (Packers) over Bob Kraft as owners over the past 25 years.

The Packers still have a majority shareholder. I’d also gladly substitute Kraft for the Bowlen family, Clark Hunt, Rooney, Bisciotti, Pegula, Paul Allen, Gayle Benson, and Zygi Wilf. Kraft’s only advantage over those people is BB and Brady and unless we’re going to believe that Kraft was clairvoyant and saw the most dominant dynasty in NFL history coming, it’s safe to assume that he was just hiring a coach. That coach then drafted the GOAT QB in the 6th after a miserable first year. An owner is the least important cog in the machine because, by definition, they’re hands-off. If you have a micromanager, then they aren’t doing the only job they have well and of course everything is going to be a disaster.

That's Bat$hit crazy, but at least you FINALLY answered the question after much wriggling.

Nothing batshit crazy about it. What’s batshit crazy is praising the owner in the same breath as the coach and the quarterback. What’s crazier is the fact that you seem to know it’s crazy (highlighted by the fact that you can’t complete a simple rank order request) and yet are playing internet dodgeball in order to avoid admitting it.

Now, I will answer your SECOND question (I answered in detail your first):

Can you drop a link to the post where you answered in detail? That seems to be fiction.

Your question is idiotic. It's like asking a parent to rank their children. They ALL have a job to do. They are completely different jobs.

Well, first, comparing a coach, QB, and owner of a pro football team to your children is a little weird. But to each his own. Secondly, it’s only idiotic because you can’t find a way to get out of it without either conceding my point or making yourself look absolutely horrible by ranking the owner before some players and coaches that are much, MUCH more responsible for what the team on the field has put together over the years.

I happen to think that none of this happens (no team, no Belichick in New England, no Brady in New England) without Bob Kraft. So to me, it is Bob Kraft. Would it have been a championship dynasty without Brady - hell no. Would it have been a championship dynasty without Belichick - hell no. None of it would even be in place without Kraft.

The 3 of them (plus many others) have been organs of one body. If either of them weren't there it wouldn't be what it was. Your question of ranking the importance of your heart vs. your brain vs. your lungs would be a similar question. It's that stupid a question.

Kraft was only merely lucky enough to catch lightning in a bottle. Any hands-off owner, which is what BB was looking for, that was looking for a HC at the time of hire could have caught similar lightning in a bottle. Kraft was just lucky enough to do it and then have that coach draft the GOAT on the 6th.

Kraft is by far and away the least important cog of the three and should be down the list below the coaches who have spent hours pouring over match-ups and game film during this run as well as the players who have made the plays on the field. To suggest otherwise, which you can’t even bring yourself to do because you seem to be aware that I’m right, is being intentionally obtuse.

Let’s see that rank order now, big guy. I’ve more than answered the irrelevant question. Time to buck up. Oh, and I’m happy to see that this thread is open again.
 
Giving Kraft credit for the Pat's dynasty is like saying Jerry Jones deserves credit for Dallas' dynasty of the 90s...everyone knows it was Jimmy Johnson
 
If you have to ask this question apparently you cannot recognize the success of this organization and what RK has built on Route 1, not just logistical but attitude wise as well... after Parcells left he realized he needed to take a different approach. Developing a winning culture has completely changed the way the Pats are perceived both in New England and across the NFL....

After living through the incompetence and shenanigans of Sullivan, Kiam and Orthwein. Mr. Kraft is head and shoulders above them all.

The continual denigration of him from my view is completely unfounded.

So we continue to have absolutely no argument for why he is a "great" owner. Not only that, but instead keeping it a good faith discussion here come weird accusations that he is being denigrated. Seriously, if it is all so obvious then please spell it out for me.

If you ask someone why Brady is the GOAT QB you will get immediately many good reasons. Same for BB as coach.

I ask again.. what in the recent past makes Kraft a great owner ? I mean if he hasn't done anything that distinguishes him from his peers in over one and a half decade then I don't see why he should be elevated over other owners.

Again please spell it out for me. I am not trolling or trying to downplay his accomplishments but I just can't think of any recent ones.
 
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