OT: Colts and Titans Had "Agreement"

[workhorse]

Fisher "knew (Dungy) wasn't going to call a time out"

He didn't say he was taking an educated guess. He knew. And Collins confirms that there was communication between the coaches.

It will be interesting if the Browns file a grievance against the Colts and the subsequent investigation will reveal more - and put Dungy on the spot.

Then we'll see if he's a liar as well as a cheater.

Nice time of the year to have this type of distraction for your team, eh workhorse?

He didn't say he talked to him either. He said he was familiar with his style.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22487240/

MSNBC quote is from the link below.

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/jan/01/titans-cant-keep-giving-ball-away/

About half way down.

I wouldn't get your hopes up.

 

[JoeSixPat]

He didn't say he talked to him either. He said he was familiar with his style.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22487240/

MSNBC quote is from the link below.

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/jan/01/titans-cant-keep-giving-ball-away/

About half way down.

I wouldn't get your hopes up.

First of all its clear to everyone that Fisher is doing his best to spin how he "knew" Dungy wasn't going to call time out.

That quote would be fine - if Coltsfans like yourself didn't ignore Collins statement confirming that the two coaches had communicated about this.

You (not so) skillfully ignore Collins statement and then turn to other stories that of course have no quotes from the Coaches confirming this.

If I were a Brown's fan I'd be pretty p.o'd that Dungy and Fisher undermined the integrity of the game and didn't play in good faith.

You should welcome a grievence being filed by them because it will give a chance for Dungy to clear his name.

 

[Tommysgirl]

This is the first I have heard about this. It is very intresting and does present somewhat of an integreity dilema just as spygate did.

Question: Would it be wrong for a team to forfiet a game without playing it for reasons of resting people or stategic postioning in the post season?

Is it inappropiate for a team to tell it's opponet were going to run the ball down your throats in the pregame hype and then follow that exact game plan?

I have to really think about this before I can say how troubled I am if this accusation is true in it's worst way.

The thing that troubled me about spygate was the fact that teams were specifically warned that it would not be tolerated and then they blatantly disrespected that warning. Godell however botched it terribly by burning the tapes. If there was nothing of significance on them then they should of been made public and all of this would of gone away quietly. Give the conspiricists something to hang thier hats on and they will.

I think the best thing here for all parties concerned is give thier first round picks up to the Dolphins. That would satisfy my need for moral justice.

Nice:rocker: But with Cameron gone they may be used for something useful instead of an old Cameron family friend like a Long Snapper from Appalchian State or something.

 

[DaedalusX]

I think the best thing here for all parties concerned is give thier first round picks up to the Dolphins. That would satisfy my need for moral justice.

The '72 Dolphins never being allowed to speak again in public would satisfy my need for moral justice.

 

[Patriotic Fervor]

This leads to the issue right here. No problem with you doing things on your own accord to keep your team safe. But in no way is it fair for you to be coming to an agreement with the other coach over something that keeps your team healthy. Not every team has the option of bargaining with the other coach in order to try and keep their team healthy so why should Dungy and Fisher get to do so?


What if the PAts and Giants agreed to take knees for the entire game and end in a tie.......Allowing both teams to stay healthy and allowing the Pats to stay undeffeated. Everyone would calling it BS and worse the NFL fans would have been robbed of one of the better games of the year.

Something akin to this has happened in boxing, albeit done not quite this way. But the point about not trying to win is still valid here.

In the 1952 Olympics, Ingemar Johannson, he of Floyd Patterson knockout fame, was disqualified for trying to purposely lose a bout.

And in 1972, 2 foreign boxers, both whose names escape me, incurred the wrath of both the fans and the officials, as both were trying to lose! (The winner had to face Teofilo Stevenson of Cuba.)

No good ever comes of such behavior, regardless of the sport.

And, as an aside, St. Tony's record of resting players before the playoffs sure is a stellar one, isn't it?

 

[Tommysgirl]

I was thinking we might be able to use those picks to get Vinny testicle over here since we seem to be developing a long tradition of over paying for underproducing washed up has been QB's

Well, Parcells loves Bledsoe..

 

[Tommysgirl]

lol I thought about him too but I dont think he is playing on a team so we can just throw money at him to get him aboard where as Vinny is still playing in the leauge.

Unbelievable how much salary caps and free agency have depleted the QB postion that teams are forced to recycle has beens like them. Culpepper will find employment somewhere next season too. You all are very lucky to have Brady. He got developed the right way, sitting on the bench waiting for his opprotunity and learning the postion.

Just like Brady Quinn is..oops sorry 'bout that.

 

[workhorse]

First of all its clear to everyone that Fisher is doing his best to spin how he "knew" Dungy wasn't going to call time out.

That quote would be fine - if Coltsfans like yourself didn't ignore Collins statement confirming that the two coaches had communicated about this.

You (not so) skillfully ignore Collins statement and then turn to other stories that of course have no quotes from the Coaches confirming this.

If I were a Brown's fan I'd be pretty p.o'd that Dungy and Fisher undermined the integrity of the game and didn't play in good faith.

You should welcome a grievence being filed by them because it will give a chance for Dungy to clear his name.

Actually I'm not ignoring Collins. I just figure that he has the least amount of info of the two. He was told in his helmet that the Colts wouldn't call time out, the rest sounds like he really doesn't know but is speculating. Kind of like I am.

 

[spacecrime]

Honestly Im not upset about passing on Brady Quinn.

Of course not. You're a Dophin fan. You aren't expected to get upset over thinking a punt returner is will help your team more than a franchise QB.

Fact is, if they had taken Quinn, you would not be 1-15.

 

[FrontSeven]

Well, I never!

Sounds a bit like a pre-season game, no? Anybody paying for that ticket? Sure. You're paying for squat. You're paying for a ticket to a crap game with no meaning. So what if there are other games like that? It's not a first. It's only a regular season game.

Oh, the indignity of teams deciding to rest players!

How could they?

I never!

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Well, I never!

Sounds a bit like a pre-season game, no? Anybody paying for that ticket? Sure. You're paying for squat. You're paying for a ticket to a crap game with no meaning. So what if there are other games like that? It's not a first. It's only a regular season game.

Oh, the indignity of teams deciding to rest players!

How could they?

I never!

A post like this just proves what many of us already knew about you...

You're just another contrarian pseudo fan who has convinced himself he gets it and the rest of us don't - when just the opposite is the case. This isn't about resting players, it's about potential collusion to decide the outcome of an NFL game. Not to mention one that just happened to impact playoff standings.

 

[indycolts685]

A post like this just proves what many of us already knew about you...

You're just another contrarian pseudo fan who has convinced himself he gets it and the rest of us don't - when just the opposite is the case. This isn't about resting players, it's about potential collusion to decide the outcome of an NFL game. Not to mention one that just happened to impact playoff standings.

We didn't owe Cleveland nothing, their playoffs problems were not our problem. Do any of you actually believe Jim Sorgi was going to lead the Colts on a long Touchdown drive in 20 seconds? That guy couldn't lead the colts on a touchdown drive if he was given 10 downs intead of 4...

 

[Metaphors]

Actually I'm not ignoring Collins. I just figure that he has the least amount of info of the two. He was told in his helmet that the Colts wouldn't call time out, the rest sounds like he really doesn't know but is speculating. Kind of like I am.

Why would Dungy not use his last timeout? Using it would take a sure loss and turn it into a remote chance at a win. I know he isn't obligated to play his starters, but isn't he obligated to use the timeout to at least remove the perception of impropriety?

If Fisher is telling the truth about suspecting that Dungy wouldn't use the timeout (but not having any communication), then he was lessening his chances for a playoff-clinching win based on that suspicion. Remember, they took a knee on first down. If Dungy had used the timeout, that play would have run almost no time off the clock and gave Indy more time to win the game on a blocked kick or fumble on 4th down. Why would he take that chance when he could run a sweep wide (but inbounds) and take the maximum time off the clock? Then take a knee if Dungy allows the clock to run.

How could Fisher know Dungy's "coaching style" when I'll bet this particular situation (sitting on a timeout with a win still possible) has never come up before? Why would Fisher be willing to bet his team's playoff chances when he wasn't 100% positive?

The whole situation stinks. The integrity of the game demands that Dungy use the timeout and the Titans actually run plays until 4th down. It would have been so simple to just use the timeout, run 3 sweeps, burn the clock and go home. Dungy and Fisher had so little concern for competitive integrity that they chose to let this become an issue. I don't want an investigation or punishment...just don't use "integrity" and "Dungy"/"Fisher" in the same sentence again.

 

[MRBLAZE]

Saint Dungy couldn't have had ANY part of this.

Maybe people will finally start to wake up?

 

[workhorse]

Why would Dungy not use his last timeout? Using it would take a sure loss and turn it into a remote chance at a win. I know he isn't obligated to play his starters, but isn't he obligated to use the timeout to at least remove the perception of impropriety?

If Fisher is telling the truth about suspecting that Dungy wouldn't use the timeout (but not having any communication), then he was lessening his chances for a playoff-clinching win based on that suspicion. Remember, they took a knee on first down. If Dungy had used the timeout, that play would have run almost no time off the clock and gave Indy more time to win the game on a blocked kick or fumble on 4th down. Why would he take that chance when he could run a sweep wide (but inbounds) and take the maximum time off the clock? Then take a knee if Dungy allows the clock to run.

How could Fisher know Dungy's "coaching style" when I'll bet this particular situation (sitting on a timeout with a win still possible) has never come up before? Why would Fisher be willing to bet his team's playoff chances when he wasn't 100% positive?

The whole situation stinks. The integrity of the game demands that Dungy use the timeout and the Titans actually run plays until 4th down. It would have been so simple to just use the timeout, run 3 sweeps, burn the clock and go home. Dungy and Fisher had so little concern for competitive integrity that they chose to let this become an issue. I don't want an investigation or punishment...just don't use "integrity" and "Dungy"/"Fisher" in the same sentence again.

So not using time outs is classifies as impropriety? Or is it only when Collins makes a comment?

Using the time out with Sorgi as QB gives much more of a chance for injuries than it does for a win.

Fisher knows Dungy's style since he coaches against him twice a year. If he had guessed wrong he could have change his plan and run a play afterward. Plan B still could have worked.

BTW, fisher had had several of his players injured in that game already. Taking knees is in his best interest too, until the Colts call a time out taking knees gets everyone off the field.

 

[Joker]

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[Deus Irae]

So not using time outs is classifies as impropriety? Or is it only when Collins makes a comment?

Using the time out with Sorgi as QB gives much more of a chance for injuries than it does for a win.

Fisher knows Dungy's style since he coaches against him twice a year. If he had guessed wrong he could have change his plan and run a play afterward. Plan B still could have worked.

BTW, fisher had had several of his players injured in that game already. Taking knees is in his best interest too, until the Colts call a time out taking knees gets everyone off the field.

What history does Dungy have of tossing in the towel while the game is still in doubt? And, notice I didn't talk about resting starters.

 

[Metaphors]

So not using time outs is classifies as impropriety?

Use timeout = chance to win.
Don't use timeout = certain loss.

The issue isn't whether Dungy gave up...the issue is why Dungy gave up. That is the perception of impropriety that I was talking about. I'm not saying there are mob connections, just saying that there are no valid reasons for giving up when you still have a chance to win.

Put whoever you want on the field...but the players on the field should try to win when the game is still in question. If you don't, there must be a reason. That reason may be harmless, but it can't be good for the game.

 

[Joker]

Polian will have the rule changed this offseason that only the Colts can promise to dog it...all other teams will forfeit their top draft pick and line up their GM's so Bill can punch THEM all in the mouth.

 

[captain stone]

I don't know if this has been mentioned in this thread (I've lazily read only the first and current page of it), but during the Titans/dolts GDT, it was noted that the post-game PDA between dungheap and the fisher king was especially cozy, even for those two. A little too cozy, if you know what I mean. Wink, wink; nudge, nudge.

The free pass that the entire dolts organization receives is one of the most obscenely blatant unreported crimes in the history of NA sports. I hate the dolts even more than the NY MFYs or the LaLa-Land Fakers.